Brutal, but honest. To an extent I side with it, though there's a handful of friends online who I would say I've developed the warm and fuzzies for over the years, but I emphasise - years, the whole nebulous community thing is mostly a construct, whether it's beneficial or not is entirely up to the participants. Currently it's been balkanised and well, it makes what is said feel very valid, at least as regards this community. Which is somewhat saddening, but life goes on.
No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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Brutal, but honest. To an extent I side with it, though there's a handful of friends online who I would say I've developed the warm and fuzzies for over the years, but I emphasise - years, the whole nebulous community thing is mostly a construct, whether it's beneficial or not is entirely up to the participants. Currently it's been balkanised and well, it makes what is said feel very valid, at least as regards this community. Which is somewhat saddening, but life goes on.
Nope, and today is Dragon Age: Inquisition day... On top of that, I've filed for a refund, so updating to the next beta-stage would be a bit hypocritical. I believe that if you an issue with a product, you must stop using the product right away and seek recompense. I stopped using Elite last friday, because I oppose the dropping of the offline but wasn't sure on whether or not to file for refund (Because I was aware of the wording of the terms before buying.). My opposing the cut won out over the fact that I could still play Elite when I have access to the internet, so I filed afterall and before Mr Braben's communication.
So no, I won't be in this stage of the beta. Yet in all fairness I wouldn't be in this stage anyway because of Dragon Age: Inquisition.
Or ya know, people could have used judgement instead of signing onto in-development software before it had all their most-desired features. But yeah, Braben and his company are 100% to blame for the people who have been playing Eliteangerous for months all of a sudden wanting a refund.
Yes, they are because Frontier isn't an outlet selling items made by third parties. They're selling their own fabricated products. Frontier is one for one responsible. Had they wished to be shielded from the masses, they should've sought out a publisher to at least have a deflector shield.
Dragon Age Inquision is -lush-. Bioware came good. I'm feeling the love once more for their RPG goodness. Enjoy, I know I have
Dragon Age Inquision is -lush-. Bioware came good. I'm feeling the love once more for their RPG goodness. Enjoy, I know I have
Yes, I've been following the title with increasing interest and it seems like we have the next Skyrim on our hands in terms of scope and modding potential. After DA2 I was jaded to say the least, but Bioware has visibly learned from their desire to ruin their goodwill and credibility, it seems. I'm going in with a fresh perspective and have not used the Keep yet.
I'm stoked to treat the game as a totally new IP, but with familiar faces returning.
There's a few returning faces, you meet Varric very, very early on (like, in the tutorial) and he's as wonderfully witty as he was in DA2 (in fact he was DA2's one redeeming feature), now he's part of a much stronger cast, and it shows. Right off the bat you're given three NPC companions who actually feel a lot more alive and not just plot pieces. It blends a -few- of the ideas I somewhat liked about DA2 (the skill trees are back, good), but mostly takes a lot of the story driven gameplay and strong characters and personalisation from the original, and then mixes that with a much wider canvas. I'd -strongly- recommend using the keep to set up your desired world state beforehand though, so you can fine tune things to your preferences.
It's only 07:50, but this already gets my vote as Post of the Day.
And if I may add something of my own, I think the true colors of most internet communities are, well, let's just say it's not rainbowpaint. The fact that you're facing a cold computer screen instead of a person's face with its expressions, that you're reading a strictly monodimensional string of characters instead of hearing a voice with all its tones and inflections, often deprives users of any kind of empathy, as we have seen here in this very thread: remove the physical presence and the non-verbal communication, and it's easy to forget there's another human being behind those words you're so bitterly replying to. Add to that the fact that on the internet you are, at zeroth-order approximation, anonymous, and what you get is... not pretty.
And I agree, the reason this place may have looked different up until a few days ago is mostly a consequence of the awareness of the ban-hammer hanging invisible over users' heads, and also a temporary lack of major issues over which to hate each other.
I'd say that people are people and whilst communication is always better when I can talk to people (not necessarily touch, ya can get arrested for that) communication is communication and you can build relationships through any means of communication be it speech, gesture or text. Text is also the most important of these, it has allowed us to communicate and transmit our ideas from the distant past to the present and into the future. Through text an unknown author relates to us the oldest worries of all (trade), the oldest story (Gilgamesh), the oldest letter (Wear the scarf when you're on campaign dear). The people who wrote down Homer's epics transmit the culture of ancient pre-doric Greece, and the first real master of propaganda (Caesar) tells the world how great he is. And in general a lot of people still believe him. In short, text communication is the cornerstone of civilization.
Don't underestimate the power of the word, and its ability to build communities. This /is/ one. We have relationships with each other, good and bad. We have posters we like and others we dislike, through your words I build up an image of you, probably inaccurate, but the image I have of everyone here is an accurate depiction of at least one element of their personality, even if it's one they'd never show to people they'd actually meet. The words, thoughts and ideas they write here is a truth of them.
I digress. *sobs* Leave TJ alone *alone*.
On topic: I think people here now should calm down and wait and see what happens over the next couple of WEEKS (not hours or days) in regards to refunds. The continous back and forth isn't helping change minds now or change peoples points of view in favour. Also people should quit posting in defense of FDEV. They've heard the arguments, repeating isn't going to help and just keeps the parry, thrust, parry going.
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... Why do I have a mental image of you racing after someone in a dirty brown jacket yelling "BUT I ONLY WANT TO TALK TO YOU!"
... Why do I have a mental image of you racing after someone in a dirty brown jacket yelling "BUT I ONLY WANT TO TALK TO YOU!"
It was one time.
Personally I would have liked an offline mode but for me there's still loads of fun to be had in this game. However I've seen a lot of this you-played-it-all-this-time-since-months-so-no-refund-tough-onions business. I disagree with that because:
1) Any time people have complained about problems in the game they have been told repeatedly this is a beta we're testing and not a game as such. So which is it guys?
2) A lot of people only played the existing modes because offline mode didn't exist yet.
3) I was under the impression a lot of the game mechanics in open/single would apply to the offline version too. Or is that a silly assumption? No, it's not and you know it. So of course people were testing it!
1) Any time people have complained about problems in the game they have been told repeatedly this is a beta we're testing and not a game as such. So which is it guys?
2) A lot of people only played the existing modes because offline mode didn't exist yet.
3) I was under the impression a lot of the game mechanics in open/single would apply to the offline version too. Or is that a silly assumption? No, it's not and you know it. So of course people were testing it!
I agree to an extend. Online communities have no cohesion to them; by their very nature they are dystopia. Confederations of singular entities with only one binding factor and because of that ultimately amplified in it's pointlessness by it's very lack of longevity.
Consider: without Elite: Dangerous, none of us would be here. Should you take away that one item, you arrive at MSN Myspace.
The insistance of calling any gathering of people online a community is merely a desire to see substance where there is none; Internet being rebooted into Web2.0 after the collapse of the global village is not a freak occurance, but a logical result of placing trust where it isn't respected for any longer than what one person can take away from it.
Communities are rarely permanent. But you're correct, this is the Elite Dangerous community.
Off-line is not the same as Solo mode. In Solo the Elite universe is still affected by the actions of others, in off-line it is possible to really enjoy the sandbox element with the ability to save at anytime, set goals that wont be rolled over by others on-line and if there are events in the game then you have a chance to do them whenever you wish without finding you were too slow and the on-line players have already done it and taken it out of play.
You don't just want Frontier to apologise and make amends; you want them to beg and suffer.
I've already stated what I think is just: for all those who ask a refund, including Alphas and Betas, to receive it.
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Indeed.
You always have choices --even if you don't always like them. Everybody is responsible for their own actions.
..and this is why people want off-line. If this was multiplayer in the style of Elite then as you slowly explore the world you would find that all the quests/targets in the game had been done by the multiplayer community.
Mind you, if FD intend to make everything instanced so that nothing is taken away from you by others playing then the lack of off-line affects far fewer people and narrows the refunds down to those who would not have the required on-line access.
She knows.... Sorry to see someone doesn't seem to understand those words you write little. But it makes clear one of the central problems with this issue. Anyone who seems to deviate even a little from anger gets criticised, down-repped. My first call for calm almost a week ago now (which is advice I really should have followed) had me attacked as patronising. It has been the main downside of those allied in the 'want refund' camp. Part of that is the people who keep saying 'online is online, saying something is getting done isn't a promise to get it done' folks.
I tried to describe the rather complex and contradictory emotions I have over the change and I had a similar experience. I was immediately accused of being egotistical and downrepped. Now, I don't care much since I don't know or care to know you people - no offense to anyone - but that was the immediate psychological reaction from some when greyscale entered the monochrome.
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