Re: System Colonization .... Can we PLEASE name the system and stations?
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Choose to not let it irritate you. Things like that are always in two halves, the one offending, and the one taking offence. Both have to be true for you to be offended. If you choose to not let it bother you, it then loses all power to irritate you.
People seem to want to conveniently forget about this little fact, and if we were talking a paltry sum of money that was paid out to exclusively name star systems and stations in the kickstarter I can understand it not being a big deal, especially since it was 10 years ago. But it wasn't a paltry sum, it was nigh on £1000 to name stuff.
I have a tiny bit of insight into this as I actually helped in the naming of Colonia, I was the first to suggest a name on the Galactic Mapping Project for that location when the nebula became big news from Jaques discovery, and with the help of Erimus Kamzel and the GMP team we came up with "Colonia" on the understanding from Erimus that it was all unofficial and stated as a placeholder until Frontier themselves announced what the official name would be (Frontier said it wasn't originally going to be called Colonia). Some time later Frontier told us they'd decided they were going to officially use the name Colonia since it'd become the widely used name during the days and weeks after getting Jaques online, and that the devs themselves actually liked and preferred the name over the one they had originally planned. I remember a group discord convo with one of the community team saying they had to be careful when adding player named stuff precisely because they needed to honour the KS pledges, but on rare occasions they could adopt community names if they felt they warranted it. I guess the whole player-initiated Colonia initiative was one such occasion.
If that policy still stands today, I very much doubt we'll get to officially name stations and systems unless those places become iconic locations in their own right.
Even if I would manage, doesn't mean it'd work for the majority of others. Profanity filters exist for a reason, and if everyone would 'choose to not let it irritate them' these forums wouldn't need mods and restrict certain topics either. Nice idea in theory, doesn't work in practice, because emotions.
Thought about this as well, but they could probably use the same system they already have in place for CMDR names.
Which means Springfield12345 basically.
There's a difference between names that merely break one particular player's nebulously-defined "sense of immersion", versus names that are actively offensive to a broad spectrum of people in real life. We shouldn't equivocate between the two.
Way I see it, if someone who previously thought spending several thousands (!) on naming something arbitrary in a computer game was a good idea, it's about time they feel like a mug. No sympathies if I'm honest.
Edit - looking further down at Alien's post, I only found out recently that the pledge tiers went up to 3k. Puts all that scorn that SC is getting on these forums (deservedly so, but stones & glass houses etc.) into perspective a little.
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Oh wow. But in sci-fi lasers and engines come in all sorts of colours. Even if real life they can come in different colours.
Agreed, even though I'm not a particular fan of faux-hilarious system or station names either.
Looking at you, Chris and Silvia. Amongst many others.
Some people still have "alternate name for rooster" as a surname.
System names like Col 285 Sector LB-O c6-1 that sounds robotic. If we could rename it that would be better. Maybe give it the name of the System Architect.
That's good, but the System Architect should have the privilege to put his or her commander name there.
Another idea is Architect name + controlling faction = system name.
I'd prefer more freedom, but CMDR name (posessive) + a set of approved words could be a reasonable compromise.
Agony Aunt's Demise
Cosmo's Bastion
etc.
And the ship computer should say their names in Richard Van Dyke's voice.
EDIT: Damn FD's forum censor, can't even use a regular name.
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I suppose in some cases it might be annoying, but its not like a system is going to teleport into the systems you are in. You'd have to go out looking for them.
How many of us have even visited a tenth of the systems in the bubble? Now imagine most of the new named systems being out in the black. Chances are low of bumping into one unless you went intentionally looking.
True, though you could come across them in the Galmap, assuming most of these colonised systems won't make it far beyond the bubble (which based on the current vision FDev has seems unlikely right now). And the search box prediction results at the top of the Galmap also I guess.
That's not a bad idea actually.
The report functioning is part of it.
I literally saw the [Rooster] Street one with my own eyes a few days ago. The sign looked pretty old too.
Oh, "the Sc***horpe problem"?
They didn’t in Elite until the cosmetics arrived, and I really didn’t like the disco battles that I witnessed
I saw them on the livestream - I’m not tempted to see them in the wild
Ok, let's address the naming rewards in the kickstarter pledges.
Let's start with looking at what the actual pledges were for naming a station, planet and system.
Nothing in there states exclusivity. It also doesn't state non-exclusivity. But wait, I hear you say, there is an asterisk, what does that mean? This is a very good question as it denotes further detail. I could not find what the asterisk was directly referring to, but here is the F.A.Q. entry on naming things:
Also in there it does not mention exclusivity or non-exclusivity. People have interpreted the pledges from memory and assumed they said things they did not actually say. If Frontier did decide to allow system and station naming (but not planets) as part of colonization, I am confident they are legally clear to do so (but I am not a legal expert).
I am trying to ask people who did name a system, station or planet how they felt at the time of pledging. I do understand the concern though. But, there is more to this, so let's move on.
Frontier have in the past reneged on kickstarter pledges (yes, really), struggled to meet kickstarter pledges and even pre-order bonus exclusivity.
And let's be clear here, offline mode was NOT a kickstarter pledge. Yes Frontier said they would do it, and then they said they wouldn't, but the only legal promises they had to fufill were the wording in the pledges themselves, that's why Kickstarter don't allow you to change the wording after you commit to launching the kickstarter, this is to prevent what is known as "bait and switch".
So what did Frontier do, or not do, to renege on a kickstarter pledge. The Founders Of The Elite would get: “The Elite” are treated well, wherever they go. Whether it be discounts on buying special items or repairs, and the small number of founding members even greater benefits. Other benefits include a greater likelihood of being offered rare missions or opportunities. Membership is offered to pilots who have proven their ability by reaching “Elite” rating within the Pilot’s Federation, but the founding members are not put through such an indignity. All “The Elite” are entitled to display a special silver “Elite” emblem, and the founders a golden one with the word ‘Founder’ beneath it."
As a Founder Of The Elite, here is what I actually get: I get automatic access to Shinrarta Dezhra without needing to be an Elite rank in something. I get a discount at Jameson Memorial (this is not as big a discount as a normal player can get from any station controlled by Li Yong Rui, and it means I have no idea what things actually cost as I get the discount everywhere). A Founder's decal (two actually, one is reversed because for some reason Frontier decided it wouldn't work on both sides of a ship). And that's it
Those who backed high enough to be part of the DDF (Design Decision Forum) were promised "God-like powers" although it must be said, not as part of a pledge tier. Then the DDF was stopped. It is now called the Design Discussion Archive and is viewable by those who pledged high enough during the kickstarter.
Frontier also struggled to deliver official models of the ships, and there was some issues with the artwork book.
Now we get to more recent events. Frontier decided to launch a DLC for Planet Zoo on console. As part of this launch, they had the DLC available for pre-order with exclusive pre-order items you would not get once the DLC was released. Until that is they released the DLC and Chantel in her first Frontier Unlocked livestream had to announce the pre-order exclusive items would be available to buy as bonus pack.
So, if you've read this far, I am sorry, it's a lot to go through. If you've skipped to the TL DR, it's basically this: Frontier can if they want to allow naming as part of colonization. There is no exclusivity on it from the kickstarter and Frontier have a history of not honouring exclusivity promises. This is NOT a criticism of Frontier or me having a moan, I am just presenting things as they have happened without bias on my part.
Let's start with looking at what the actual pledges were for naming a station, planet and system.
Also in there it does not mention exclusivity or non-exclusivity. People have interpreted the pledges from memory and assumed they said things they did not actually say. If Frontier did decide to allow system and station naming (but not planets) as part of colonization, I am confident they are legally clear to do so (but I am not a legal expert).
I am trying to ask people who did name a system, station or planet how they felt at the time of pledging. I do understand the concern though. But, there is more to this, so let's move on.
Frontier have in the past reneged on kickstarter pledges (yes, really), struggled to meet kickstarter pledges and even pre-order bonus exclusivity.
And let's be clear here, offline mode was NOT a kickstarter pledge. Yes Frontier said they would do it, and then they said they wouldn't, but the only legal promises they had to fufill were the wording in the pledges themselves, that's why Kickstarter don't allow you to change the wording after you commit to launching the kickstarter, this is to prevent what is known as "bait and switch".
So what did Frontier do, or not do, to renege on a kickstarter pledge. The Founders Of The Elite would get: “The Elite” are treated well, wherever they go. Whether it be discounts on buying special items or repairs, and the small number of founding members even greater benefits. Other benefits include a greater likelihood of being offered rare missions or opportunities. Membership is offered to pilots who have proven their ability by reaching “Elite” rating within the Pilot’s Federation, but the founding members are not put through such an indignity. All “The Elite” are entitled to display a special silver “Elite” emblem, and the founders a golden one with the word ‘Founder’ beneath it."
As a Founder Of The Elite, here is what I actually get: I get automatic access to Shinrarta Dezhra without needing to be an Elite rank in something. I get a discount at Jameson Memorial (this is not as big a discount as a normal player can get from any station controlled by Li Yong Rui, and it means I have no idea what things actually cost as I get the discount everywhere). A Founder's decal (two actually, one is reversed because for some reason Frontier decided it wouldn't work on both sides of a ship). And that's it
Those who backed high enough to be part of the DDF (Design Decision Forum) were promised "God-like powers" although it must be said, not as part of a pledge tier. Then the DDF was stopped. It is now called the Design Discussion Archive and is viewable by those who pledged high enough during the kickstarter.
Frontier also struggled to deliver official models of the ships, and there was some issues with the artwork book.
Now we get to more recent events. Frontier decided to launch a DLC for Planet Zoo on console. As part of this launch, they had the DLC available for pre-order with exclusive pre-order items you would not get once the DLC was released. Until that is they released the DLC and Chantel in her first Frontier Unlocked livestream had to announce the pre-order exclusive items would be available to buy as bonus pack.
So, if you've read this far, I am sorry, it's a lot to go through. If you've skipped to the TL DR, it's basically this: Frontier can if they want to allow naming as part of colonization. There is no exclusivity on it from the kickstarter and Frontier have a history of not honouring exclusivity promises. This is NOT a criticism of Frontier or me having a moan, I am just presenting things as they have happened without bias on my part.
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Founders and backers also got a lifetime reduction on their insurance excess (“rebuy”). But I’m nitpicking.