No one who owns a Type 6, a Keelback, OR a Type 7, let alone all three, plus paint jobs, is influenced by whether a ship is optimal. We who are ship hoarders will continue to hoard ships. The Cobra Mk V will only displace the Viper for the meta chasers, and that crowd will continue flying its one ship and purchasing its one paint job.
Is Cobra mk5 op?
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I've been playing ED on and off since '16 and that was one of the first things I noticed way back then. The same is mostly true of Large vs Medium.
Even though I took a Cobra Mk III to the far side of the galaxy, the core and back, it was a self-imposed limitation/publicity stunt. Not because I thought it was better suited than one of the medium sized explorer class ships. I was sure glad there was a carrier parked at Beagle Point by the time I got there.
I just bought a Mk V yesterday and spent all day flying around engineering it, and I've got no problem putting my multiple Mk IIIs into well deserved retirement.
The Cobra Mk IV is the kind of "new ship" the other people apparently want. I.e., not as good as any existing ship. I've got one and I hardly ever use it.
It's the gift the keeps on giving. As someone who owns one, it pains me people yearn for it, much like the mines. "The children yearn for the mines!" and yet they never did.
The misplaced nostalgia for a ship that doesn't exist for many, is quite jarring. The compulsion for a ship to have a compromised flight model (for reasons not even Frontier really was able to define) is that same nostalgia. Mandalay and Cobra show what Frontier are actually capable of when designing a ship to be used vs what passed for mediocre back in the day.
I have nothing but admiration for Frontier wanting to offer more compelling reasons to play, and to encourage broader use for medium and small ships; there is very much a place for both. Be it new things to do, or just better designed ships (Frontier has perhaps had to relearn how to do this) that provide a more dynamic and rewarding experience. Outside of fringe use, and any% "what if" scenarios, small ships were what you start with and then outgrow. Not any more, perhaps. It is fantastic to see people so energetic about the small and medium ships again. I'll take that over some tut-tutting any day of the week.
I may not agree with everything they do, and I cannot possibly expect them to do all that I might want. I am however so very proud of Frontier refreshing the team and injecting new life into the game. It has helped grow the community, a number of my friends have picked up the game (after a long slumber), there are fantastic new ships, and there is vast potential to do cool things with the legacy fleet with new modules and the like, as well as whole new features on the horizon.
A new ship always creates some degree of debate. Something would be very wrong if it didn't, I suppose. I just see this as new ships showing the 'in universe' manufacturers have moved on from hundreds-year-old designs and are using advanced design concepts and modern (and some alien) tech to greater advantage - it just exposes the legacy ships to some bright sunshine as a result.
I hope the developer follows up with neat gizmos to help bring them up to where they too can benefit from some of the improvements. There are already hints to this as it is.
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My reason was internals. I like mining in small ships sometimes.
So yes, I literally yearn for the mines.
That is probably the only time I'd support yearning for the mines. And yes, it's one benefit was the internal module count. I wanted to like it. It just wasn't very good for anything else.
Excluded middle fallacy.
Strawman fallacy.
Slippery slope fallacy.
False authority fallacy.
These are all YOU problems.
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The true test is when you ask a friend to play ED for the first time and let him go about getting his first million credits. Old timers restarting again is a very deceptive benchmark since all that accumulated knowledge of how to do things and get money quick are still there. Unless of course you have amnesia
(and no cheating please, don't spoon feed him those YouTube tutorials)
I'm afraid I ruined that experience for my son, too, when I got him to play. When I'm taking wing delivery missions for 50 million rewards, and all he has to do is wing up, share, and turn in... it's just too tempting.The true test is when you ask a friend to play ED for the first time and let him go about getting his first million credits. Old timers restarting again is a very deceptive benchmark since all that accumulated knowledge of how to do things and get money quick are still there. Unless of course you have amnesia
(and no cheating please, don't spoon feed him those YouTube tutorials)
At least its not bright blue like the last money making scheme
Yep, baffling indeed. You don't see things the way I see them. Maybe you will one day, maybe you won't.
No, it is a paywall, and Frontier's version of that is "Arx". A patience wall would mean not having to do anything other than wait, and while yes a version of the Cobra mkV will be available for in-game credits if people just wait, it still won't be the same (or arguably as good) as the version you could get for real money. It is still pay-to-skip and pay-to-get-an-advantage (because the paid-for ships have a zero cost rebuy). It is a sad state of affairs that a) too many of you don't see this and b) too many of you forget too quickly as evidenced by replies to my comments, which I admit could have been worded better but still convey a point.
Talking of which ....
Some people ^^^^ miss that point.
You know where you can shove your patronizing attitude.
Gentlemen, please.
I forgive you for that, it is Christmas after all.
But most of all, you were being honest, and I respect honesty.
What I find baffling is how quickly the new monetisation model has become accepted and even celebrated by the player/customer base.
Let's not forget that these ships are already behind a paywall (Odyssey). People are then happy to downplay that because it's now often discounted, or that most people have it anyways. I paid 49 Euros for it originally so it was never a bargain for me. And now Frontier want me to pay again or else delay access by several months. I can't be happy about it, sorry.
the 4 SCO ships were never a promise of the original game, not even a promise of Odyssey.
Again, I encourage players to spend some money on ARX which helps FDev to pay they bills. Compared to what we pay for our game PCs and other software, the costs of the preview or new livery is next to nothing. And no one needs to buy them.
Also, I still haven't met a player who could 'win the game' by 'getting an unfair advantage' through one of the prebuilt ships. Piloting skill and experience are far more important.
And even if somebody 'wins' (I'd like to hear how this is defined in ED) - so what? Will I have a personal disadvantage?
Therefore: Dear FDev, make a couple of more lovely new SCO enabled ships for 2025 and give us a preview using ARX. Makes some players happy and you guys can pay your bills!
Again, I encourage players to spend some money on ARX which helps FDev to pay they bills. Compared to what we pay for our game PCs and other software, the costs of the preview or new livery is next to nothing. And no one needs to buy them.
Also, I still haven't met a player who could 'win the game' by 'getting an unfair advantage' through one of the prebuilt ships. Piloting skill and experience are far more important.
And even if somebody 'wins' (I'd like to hear how this is defined in ED) - so what? Will I have a personal disadvantage?
Therefore: Dear FDev, make a couple of more lovely new SCO enabled ships for 2025 and give us a preview using ARX. Makes some players happy and you guys can pay your bills!
All games have up-dates, most are payed for with cash. Is every new version of a game just a new paywall? I believe FDev, over the 10 years I've been playing, have been fair when they offer free up-dates, and when they ask for a fee. Early access, what we're paying for, is a vanity item. Those ships will be available to all current Commanders on their official release date.
How long ago did you pay full price for Ody? Did the Ody purchase include all DLC upon purchase, for ever?
Finally, once you load up your existing modules, and get out there, how often do you see a re-buy? I really decide when I loose a ship, so free-rebuys aren't so free, and hardly useful to a PvE guy.
I spent about 500-600 Euros in total, across two accounts, over the years (up until 2021, when I got burned by Odyssey, and the broken 4.0 engine rendering most cosmetics incorrectly for a substantial time, and some even to this very day, Iridescent for example). I think I paid my fair share. But that's just me alright, others might only pay for the base game and that's it... but then that's what Frontier sell it for (or even hand it out for free aka Epic giveaway) so hardly the players' fault.
People often fall into the trap of thinking the company is dependent on their contributions to the game's income alone, without considering that there's tons of other potential players who will buy the base game and DLC each month.
As for the live service game aspect - I only see the downsides (server issues, lag, questionable monetisation decisions) and little in terms of upsides (regular, quality updates and that includes both new content and QoL/bugfixing work on an ongoing basis). So not sure it's the best argument imo.
It's optional. OPTIONAL. That means nobody has to be happy about it except the people that are happy about it. You can just go "huh, well I wouldn't pay that, I can't believe all these other fools are doing that!" and you can go about your business taking advantage of all that investment without having to pay a penny.
Since it's all upside that way, "what I find baffling" is that anyone could complain about that at all.
Since it's all upside that way, "what I find baffling" is that anyone could complain about that at all.
See my post above, but I was one of those fools who paid premium (in good faith) for the DLC (preorder early access, which they incorrectly sold as a beta, which it wasn't), and what I got in return was a broken mess of a piece of software that took the company 18 updates (!) to fix to bring to where it should've been at release.
I also purchased the base game back in 2016 at full price (40 Euros iirc), and Horizons shortly after (another 40 Euros, which at that time was a cheeky price for a DLC). Plus countless ship kits, skins, FC items. There's no game I ever spent more money on, even including MSFS which doesn't come cheap (but you do get quality content). My second copy that I no longer play was discounted at the time and included Horizons (that was pre-Ody release).
I'm wondering if the defenders of FDev's latest monetisation model managed to get the game for next to nothing, which would explain their laissez faire attitude somewhat. I just feel being squeezed, given my payment history with the company. And yes, maybe my (former) whale-ness just isn't the target audience any longer.
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