Trailblazer Echo - Universal Cartographics lockdown

Jmanis

Jmanis
hutandrei said:
Yeah, but tomorrow the CG will be over.
What about all the poor players, full of exploration data, that cannot sell it, and can't get involved in the fighting because that would risk all their data?
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Thems the brakes of having a dynamic universe i guess. The next tick is in the next couple hours, so we'll find out then, but the CG well and truly passed, so not going to matter who does/ doesn't make it.

But on the flipside, this wasn't really a sudden, overnight event. Civil unrest would've been active for a few days beforehand, so nobody should've been surprised by this unless they weren't paying attention? Would it be as much of a problem if the first couple explorers back dumped enough reports to end the CG result, causing everyone to miss out again? Civil unrest would be the first sign for me to go "better get those reports in now!".... case in point with 100% of participants getting the rewards, i dropped 12 reports on day 1 just in case something like this happened, or alternately, i just didn't get time to play.

"Don't put all your eggs in one basket" is a pretty apt saying here. People didn't need to spend the entire cg period without making a submission, but they chose to anyway, and that comes with inherent risk, whether that's the CG ending, getting ganked or just faceplanting a high-grav world and losing all your data.

Again, i have some empathy, but it's not like everyone was entirely powerless and without adequate information to avoid this either. This will catch some people out... hopefully that's taken as a lesson for next time? I just think people forget this is a possibility and don't plan for it.

Edit: as a general consideration, maybe things like this should happen more often, so people learn to plan for it?
 
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Jmanis

Jmanis
Hanerib said:
Umm.. Fatal Shadows looks like a real player minor faction are they being called rogues?
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The "rogues" is targeted broadly against commanders who undertook actions to cause this. Whether that's the 50-odd pmf supporters, the probable many more gankers, or just the guy lovingly smuggling weapons completely unaware of the situation....it drips with bias, but doesn't target anyone in particular imo (likely coz fd don't know themselves who specifically did this)
 

varonica

varonica
Jmanis said:
Thems the brakes of having a dynamic universe i guess. The next tick is in the next couple hours, so we'll find out then, but the CG well and truly passed, so not going to matter who does/ doesn't make it.

But on the flipside, this wasn't really a sudden, overnight event. Civil unrest would've been active for a few days beforehand, so nobody should've been surprised by this unless they weren't paying attention? Would it be as much of a problem if the first couple explorers back dumped enough reports to end the CG result, causing everyone to miss out again?
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The system was in some sort of trouble from the moment the CG started, so it wouldn't have taken much to kick it over.
 

Felix DiCestria

Felix DiCestria
Archvillain said:
If I was one of the players defending my turf I'd feel a bit miffed about being characterized that way, but the message is not "from" FDev, it's from the faction that just took a beating, so it totally works that Brewer Logistics is trying to cast the player faction in a bad light to motivate their supporters :D
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As a member of Operation Wych Hunt we carry the 'Traitorous Bucaneer' epiphet as a badge of honour.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Jmanis said:
like... do we want a dynamic universe? Or should FD just shut it down and make everything static?

I dunno.. i shouldn't be surprised when we've had so many updates of people getting what they actually asked for, only to go "not like that!!!" because players didn't comprehend what that would entail.
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I expect at least most of the people saying "players should have more impact on the galaxy" are at least different people to those saying "other players shouldn't be able to stop me doing things".

Balancing out those two would have been a lot easier if they hadn't given up on having a separate offline client, of course.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Ian Doncaster said:
I expect at least most of the people saying "players should have more impact on the galaxy" are at least different people to those saying "other players shouldn't be able to stop me doing things".

Balancing out those two would have been a lot easier if they hadn't given up on having a separate offline client, of course.
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There's a prolonged discussion here around the overall game design and choices made over the life of the game which is absolutely not worth having😅

Suffice to say, I would summarise my position as "playing an online game with a dynamic universe and expecting to not have your play impacted in some way (positive or negative) is not what's being catered for here"... but would also concede FD has a very bad habit of not prosecuting that dynamicity in a sufficiently effective way beyond binary all-or-nothings, which is, as a general outcome, poor design.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Yes. And the BGS is a particularly contradictory mechanism for achieving it.
- it's supposed to be a background system, rather than a deliberately manipulated one, so neither precautionary nor reactive steps for a problem generated through it are "expected" to be done by players
- it therefore doesn't in-game expose solutions to any problem it generates, with "play a different game for a week" being one of the most time-efficient ways to deal with almost any BGS-generated issue
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
I think that the BGS is no longer a BGS, and hasn't been since FD gave us the values of actions. A BGS aware player will know ahead of time what to do, but the tacit BH CG is probably FDs helping hand to nudge players.

Whats ironic is that amid this jumble you have PP2 overlaid that actually tries to show these actions (or analogs of BGS actions) in a more visible way and solutions to them. The BGS sliders themselves could use a dose of PP2 maybe.
 

Cmdr Beachy

Cmdr Beachy
Any sign of the lockdown being lifted before the CG end? I naively (like a fair few others) headed into the black and assumed I'd be able to cache in on my return.
 

aRJay

aRJay
varonica said:
The system was in some sort of trouble from the moment the CG started, so it wouldn't have taken much to kick it over.
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Yes especially given there are nearly ten times as many contributors to the CG than the population of the system.
 
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