Nearby facilities AROUND the local body.
You agree that the lack of documentation is a problem then spend the rest of your post describing exactly why the lack of documentation is the problem but trying to convince me that it's actually my fault instead for not understanding what the game doesn't tell you in the first place. This is an all-time banger of a post, even for here.Ok... there's a lot to unpack here.
First and foremost. I agree, the documentation is lacking. No argument there.
Nonetheless, useful information is presented. Did your not read it? If not, that's on you.
I knew nothing more than the next person going into this, but i knew enough to look at the coriolis/ orbis descriptors and go "hmmm.. that sense like a lot of effort for a solo player, just for a colony economy (which just produces biowaste). I guess these need more facilities to produce a different economy. Outposts look like less effort (as it is, just two nights), and offer more diverse economy options... I'll start there.
I mean, did you not know what a Colony economy is? They've been in the game since horizons? I know they're not the focus of any "get rich quick" guide or streamer expose, but they exist. But anyway.
So while i built my first outpost, i checked the Codex pilot handbook.... because just getting to claiming a system had multiple tutorials shoved in my face so i presumed something was there.
Lo and behold, it explained how it works, that facilities could have their economy influenced by nearby facilities around the local body. So, i took that as "until i know what that means, I'm going to hold off on a bigger facility, because they're a lot of effort".
Most of the complaints i see are coming from people not having a good understanding of the mechanics (which i understand, the doco isn't good)... but instead of going forward with caution as a result (and noting this is beta), just going YOLO BUILD THE BIGGEST MOST TIME CONSUMING THING and seemingly missing the very obvious information shown presented that this results in a colony economy only.
Like, yeah... it would be frustrating to do that, but equally, my decision making had me look at that info and go "Gee, building a coriolis straight off the bat, as a solo player, seems like a terrible freaking idea, I'll start smaller scale".
So yeah... the doco is bad, but a little bit of caution for a new feature goes a long way... i get that's frustrating, but if this game has taught me anything, is that sometimes people want to uppercut themselves and blame the game for it.
So... yes, you can take this as lesson learned because for whatever reason, you didn't know what you were doing and unsurprisingly didn't get to where you wanted.l, and now know for future... or you can bin the game.
Back when credits meant something... i slammed my first clipper into a station wall without rebuy, and it took me a month to earn that. I didn't think the game needed to change because of that.
tl;dr sure, putting effort in for no/poor return with lack of good docco would be frustrating... but I just don't get why someone wouldn't go "that sounds pretty risky, maybe I'll find more out before putting all that effort in"
Edit: And to reinforce, I posted this a week or so ago:
Elite Dangerous | System Colonisation Beta Details & Feedback
I agree its not a good idea. I think instead it would be better to allow a discount on the next system you claim if you help someone else build their stations. This could be a reduction in claim fee and resources needed to build the claim station and indeed all stations in that system. That way...forums.frontier.co.uk
One of the first obvious things to me was that experimenting (given the lack of documentation) was expensive... so that made me very cautious about how I put any effort in.
to use a RL picture - what you did was building a 50 story Highrise without knowing if you build on sand... now it is copying the tower of Pisa.
Ditch the shield. 788 should be the max cargo, of course you could get 790, if you are good at landings. But that build also assumes that you have a carrier to haul back and forth to. If you don't then I would recommend getting a black hole fuel scoop and losing at least 64 of that hold.
Real architects have access to geological surveys and training on what they're supposed to do. We get 3 vague and incorrect codex pages and a tweet, Xenia.
even more reason to treat carefully - which you didn´t.
Probably a lot of folks just assumed that colonisation would follow the same rules as the systems already in the game, but our systems don't even follow Fdevs own rules.
I said the documentation is lacking... not there was a lack of documentation. There's a difference.
Makes perfect sense to me? The local body = the thing something orbits.
"Around" also includes the primary body's landable moons and nested moons, neither of which contribute to the economy of the station in this system as it is currently designed. Why would "around" meaning "orbiting the primary body" NOT include the bodies orbiting it?? That's totally non-intuitive. If the primary station is affected by markets around the local body then naturally that includes markets on the surface of moons orbiting the same body that the station itself is benefitting from in its orbit
No, because you just changed the term from "Local Body" to "Primary Body". That's a massive difference, and not what it says.
thats easy and simple really.
I said "primary body" to distinguish the parent the station is orbiting around vs moons vs nested moons. That it ALSO means primary port body is a compounding error caused by this bad system in the first place because the primary port is often around a non-landable body that it can't benefit from. Which means the benefits from moons of that body become even more important. In a properly functioning system the satellite orbiting the moon would benefit the station orbiting Earth and that does not happen with this system.
logically you would be right, around the local body would include its moons and any nested moons, they will nit pick and try to say otherwise though.
You can build other orbital facilities that influence economy though... it's not just surface Hubs that do this. So non-landables aren't a problem. Alternately, if it's one slot orbiting a non-landable, sounds like a good place to put either:
Those orbital facilities only affect the market station of the body they orbit. If you put an outpost there it's going to sell biowaste and drugs because there's nothing influencing it. This system is just broken, the fix is very simple. All they have to do is make the effects of constructions cascade upward to the nearest market port orbiting a primary body, which is always going to be the first thing a player builds in a new system due to the way primary port selection is handled by the game.
Moons orbit AROUND a planetary body like a gas giant. A gas Giant orbits AROUND a star. It says "around AND on a local body". Not around the local body.
Poop locked... That sounds like a crappy economy status. Would Bismuth be in demand for all the Pepto Bizmol?
