Id gladly take any pelican. Even if its not the species i wanted, just having that would be awesome, especially since modding the other species out of it should be pretty straight forward
DLC 19 Speculation
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Eh. I think they should provide something a bit more unique for the last 2 slots. Mara, Coati, Tamandua...Heck, even Kinkajou. I mean, it would be fine if the already revelaled slots did not have so many similar animals, but as is, I hope for something a little bit more unique than a crocodillian for the last two slots.
I can relate to this. The animals that the public is most familiar with are sometimes not the big names in the eyes of enthusiasts, or the precious collections in the zoo industry. Just like I often hear people say that red pandas will grow up to be giant pandas, and people often point to red pandas and say they are raccoons. Of course, there are even more people who mistake dholes for foxes.
Yes, I am the same, I have always hoped that we can get some "real new animals", but since the lineup exposed so far is all types we are familiar with, I think it might be crocodiles. But for me, besides monkeys, the South American animal I want most is Tayra. Of course, Tamandua and Coati are also good choices.
Another way of looking at it: Holding back the coati and highlighting it in the trailer will get people even more amped. And keeping speculation open as to what the rest of the pack is will mean more people are geared up to check out the trailer, etc.
Yes and no. While the wisent in specific isn't popular, most people can tell it's a bison they might not know it's an european animal, but they certanlly can say what they are looking at, something that only the boar, bear and tortoise (you might argue that the swan enter this category, but i recently showed a pic of a swan for my mother and she though she was looking at a goose, and i get a similar reaction from my dad and sister, so i don't really think they count) achieve aswell. However do we really think those have anything to make them poster child?
What i'm trying to say is that the wisent is a perfect headliner: it's big, impressive, awe inspiring and belong to a class of animals that most people know about, so even if you don't know what exactly it is, you still have a notion and is impressive by itself. Those are similar reasons why the koala is the headliner from Australia instead of the kangoroo, they are simply easier to tell and more impressive than the rest.
I think the wolverine would have looked cool on the key art. But I also heard of people being surprised that they're even a real animal so idk.
I'm hoping for a second primate, but don't think it's likely. I'd really be surprised if the coati isn't in this pack. I'd say the remaining animal for me is tied between the mara and ocelot. I think we'll see the ABB before support ends, either in the alleged DLC 20 or for the anniversary. I would be a bit surprised for Frontier to do back to back bears, but you never know.
I'm hoping for a second primate, but don't think it's likely. I'd really be surprised if the coati isn't in this pack. I'd say the remaining animal for me is tied between the mara and ocelot. I think we'll see the ABB before support ends, either in the alleged DLC 20 or for the anniversary. I would be a bit surprised for Frontier to do back to back bears, but you never know.
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I mean we had goats back to back for 4 packs in a row now. I dont think that would be the issue
Agree that Coati would be a poor choice as the "headline" animal on the poster. But I actually think Bighorn Sheep would have been a stronger choice than Coyote. It's got more of an iconic feel than the coyote, which, particularly among us here in the US, view little different than Rabbits, Squirrels, etc.
But I'm not gonna get too nit-picky. I said 30-ish pages ago that I think this is one of the best looking DLC posters. I love it!
But I'm not gonna get too nit-picky. I said 30-ish pages ago that I think this is one of the best looking DLC posters. I love it!
I'm 99% sure the new canine is not a South American fox because the bushes behind him don't look like any in-game South American plants.
I just wanted to say the plant could indicate its a Coyote.
I just wanted to say the plant could indicate its a Coyote.
Random thought: this is simultaneously one of the key arts with the least and most animals.
Usually, the key art for an animal pack shows three animals: one at the front, and two silhouettes in the back.
There is one exception: Southeast Asia (being the first animal pack, it didn't yet have that defined style)
Here, we get two animals - but at the same time five.
We get the one big animal up front (coyote), only one silhouette (rhea)... And then three more animals are hinted at in the decorations (saki, flamingo, bighorn)
Usually, the key art for an animal pack shows three animals: one at the front, and two silhouettes in the back.
There is one exception: Southeast Asia (being the first animal pack, it didn't yet have that defined style)
Here, we get two animals - but at the same time five.
We get the one big animal up front (coyote), only one silhouette (rhea)... And then three more animals are hinted at in the decorations (saki, flamingo, bighorn)
I must say I'm mildly hyped by this pack. Americas was expected, although we didn't know North America would be part of it too. The animals so far are mixed but I'm mostly positive, despite what could've been.
With only two slots left, I'm really hoping for a coati and mara to fill the final spots. Generally the South-American rainforest is still underrepresented (both in this pack and the game in general), and the rheas could use some company. Of course an ocelot would also be nice. A black bear - as cool as it is as a species - is currently my least desired species of the likely options.
- White-Faced Saki: Was high on my wishlist and I think it's the best choice for a New World monkey. It's both generic and unique and very common in captivity. 10/10
- Greater Rhea: Absolutely an essential species, and finally rounding up our ratite selection. One of the most versatile species in the game, as it's also useful for petting zoos. 1010
- American Flamingo: Very iconic! Yes a "clone", but one that many people (me included) really wanted! I don't mind that it looks similar to what we have, as plenty of zoos have both flamingo species, and their bright colour makes them stand out. Also, two birds
with one stonein one pack is something I'm grateful for any day! 9/10 - Let's hope it's not one of the other species. - Bighorn Sheep: Quite a cool animal that I loved seeing in Burgers' Zoo. It doesn't add as much as other species would've, but not judging for what could've been, it's very decent. 7/10
- Coyote: This one is meh for me. I'm happy for the people to whom it's an iconic species, but it doesn't add much to me.
With only two slots left, I'm really hoping for a coati and mara to fill the final spots. Generally the South-American rainforest is still underrepresented (both in this pack and the game in general), and the rheas could use some company. Of course an ocelot would also be nice. A black bear - as cool as it is as a species - is currently my least desired species of the likely options.
Ironically i showed a photo of a wolverine for my family and my friends once and they all though it was a bear.
Most people have no idea how wolverines looks like, hell, before the hero became popular many people though that "wolverine" was a feminine version of wolf.
Coyote.
Finally another dog. I'm ecstatic. This right here makes this pack an instant buy for me. In regard to the fact that it could be a South American fox-like canid like a culpeo, chilla, or pampas fox, I'd be equally thrilled with those as well, but highly doubt Frontier would pick animals as obscure as the South American fox-like canids. The only South American canids that are semi-well-known worldwide are the Maned Wolf and Bush Dog. The Maned Wolf we already got and I would be extremely happy if we got the bush dog in this pack as well but I could see how 2 canids in one pack wouldn't go over-well with some other players.Yes please. I will be so mad if they just re-use the wolf howls. Although considering the donkey still neighs like a horse, things aren't looking good for the coyote's unique vocalizations. :/ Does the Nubian Wild Ass also neigh? I can't remember.
As for the other animals in the pack, here are my thoughts:
Saki Monkey- I didn't see the monkey in that other flag until people pointed out the shape with photos and I realized it was a monkey on a tree with branches. I thought the branches were arms of some animal and was confused. That being said, I'm kind of bummed the monkey they went with was a saki. I would've preferred a tiny monkey like a golden lion tamarin or common marmoset or really almost any species of tamarin or the pygmy marmoset. If it still had to be a medium-sized monkey, then a species of Howler monkey such as a Black Howler, Brown Howler, or any of the Red Howler species (Guyanan, Purus, Bolivian, or Columbian Red Howlers) would've been my preferred monkey. It's still nice that we finally got a New World Monkey though, even if it wasn't in my top personal picks for a NWM.
Rhea- This is a good pick. I'm happy for the bird people and they are funny birds plus it finally finishes the ratites out.
American Flamingo- The brighter pink/red color for flamingoes is nice but I still would've preferred a Scarlet Ibis or a Roseate Spoonbill to them. I would especially want
a Scarlet Ibis because there doesn't even exist any mod for them and while I think it would be cool to have them, I don't want them enough that I'm willing to put out money for a commission. I don't really think the Ibis or Spoonbill would be a problem flight-wise because I've mostly seen them just chilling in the water in the bird houses at the zoos I've been to and also cranes and swans fly but we still have them in game. If Frontier was determined to still go clone-y for a bird, the duck was also right there over a flamingo. Just take the swan, alter the neck to be shorter, recolor the skin, and then bam, duck. Mallard Duck, Muscovy Duck, and Black-bellied Whistling duck would've been some good choices.
Bighorn Sheep- Just why? I get that they're iconic here in North America but we really didn't need yet another sheep in a row. We have much less deer in the game than sheep. I would've rather the ungulate slot going to a deer like the tiny Pudu, any species of the small/medium brocket deer, or the Marsh Deer from South America and/or Central America or White-tailed Deer, Mule Deer, Sitka Deer, or Elk from North America.
Other Potential Additions:
Coati-I will be very sad if a Coati is not one of the 2 unannounced animals. Having both a canid and a coati will make this the best pack ever and the first pack I've been super excited about since Grasslands. My favorite is the White-Nosed Coati but I'd be equally happy with the South American Coati everyone else seems to want as well. Or really any species of Coati at all would make me happy.
Kinkajou- Not a popular pick. Kind of an oddball but they're adorable and I love them. However, having both Kinkajou and Coati in the same pack would make 2 raccoon
family members in the same pack. To be fair though, kinkajou are not really raccoon-like in appearance or behavior. They're kind of primate-like even though they aren't primates. I personally would love it if both the coati and the kinkajou were in the pack but find it unlikely. If had to choose between them, I prefer the Coati.
Bush Dog- Similair to above, I don't really see them putting 2 animals from the same family in one DLC, but the Bush Dog is a unique and weird little canid that looks more like a stuffed teddy bear than a dog and also one of the few semi-aquatic canids. I would be thrilled to get a Bush Dog as well but not at the expense of losing the Coati if there's only one more carnivore spot left.
Tayra- Cool big weasel which I really like but I'd still prefer the Coati and/or Bush Dog to them.
Ocelot- Although I want them eventually, I don't really want them to take up a spot in this expansion when there's more unique carnivores like Coati, Kinkajou, and Bush Dog that could be included.
American Black Bear- Same as above. I want them eventually, but I don't want them to take up a spot in this pack that could be used for more unique animals. I think they'd make a good anniversary gift animal though.
Sea Otters and/or North American River Otters- These would be adorable, but I have a feeling they would've been the head-liner if they were in this pack. Besides if we got some sort of Coastal Pack as our pack after this one, they could come in that pack.
Bobcat- I like them but not enough for them to take a slot from something else.
Black-footed Ferret- I would love these but they're more North America than South America and I want them to lean more towards South American or animals that can be found in both North and South America for the final 2 picks.
Patagonian Mara- Ok, these would be wonderful for a non-carnivora pick. They're rodents but they look like kangaroo-rabbit hybrids. Such beautiful weirdness.
Virginia Opossum- Another good non-carnivora pick. Finally more marsupials! It's North America's only native marsupial as well. Alternatively, they could add any South American Opossum species instead but those aren't as well-known.
Tamarin Species- Please if there's a second primate, make it a tiny tamarin species. I like golden lion tamarin or golden-headed lion tamarin best but I will take literally any species of tamarin.
Marmoset Species- Don't like them quite as much as tamarins but they are still tiny and cute monkeys I'd be happy with.
Same except I'm mostly foxed-out except for the South American fox-like canids so don't particularly want the bat-eared fox or gray fox that much and prefer the golden jackal to the black-backed but would still gladly take the black-backed jackal as well. My list would be almost the same except I'd replace Bat-eared Fox with Ethiopian Wolf and Gray Fox with Golden Jackal.keepthe
Don’t end support until we have raccoon dog, bush dog, gray fox, bat-eared fox, black-backed jackal, and red wolf. Just those 6 would unironically be a divine pack in my eyes.
Yeah, key art animals always tend to be the biggest "wow" animal in the pack, the one that will impress the general public.
I'd argue that, when Southeast Asia dropped, most of the PZ community was more hyped about the binturong than the bear - yet, the bear was on the key art, and the ads I found online said stuff like "find leopards, bears and monkeys in the new Southeast Asia Animal Pack"...
Same applies to the capybara (which was at the peak of its internet fame in 2022), armadillo, camel, and bison.
With NA I'm a little confused because I feel like moose was perhaps more iconic? But maybe it's just my impression. Beavers are perhaps even more unmistakable
It never is with Frontier unfortunally but i agree. Is the perfect pack for it.
Yes that's how i feel. And i'm on a similar stance with the flamingo, but i guess the rhea is also a heavy clone is just that the two birds being strict clones is kind of annoying specially when clone animals are perfect for anniversary gifts.
Coati seems like the only fair choice. This pack so far is full on clones and easy to make animals and none of them are top wanted animals (saki aside). Coati is number one in metawishlist and had been there for a long time so i think is time for it, specially in this pack where it fits so well as well.
Not getting the mara here would be a shame. In my mind mara and rhea form a dinamic duo and go hand in hand just like wallaby and emu.
Boo and ew.
Would be an amazing surprise
But i think hoping for a third bird is overreaching to much. Roadrunner is also a perfect pick. Even seriema.
I agree with everything but rhea and patagonian mara are not rainforest animals hehe so rainforests will still remain undereptesented (saki aside) althought patagonia needed more.
After this brazilian tapir, scarlet ibis and tamandua (plus another monkey) is all i need to finish off habitat animals from the southamerican rainforest with fair rep. I guess agouti is also important.
And then what we trully need are birds (macaws, toucans, hummingbirds, harpy eagle) and herps (anaconda, more frogs and insects/arachnids, more lizards) which are a lost cause at this point.
No animals are confirmed yet...
Probably not until after the teaser trailer. That's usually what happens
The only other animal I could see either replacing the coati or being the other animal is another primate either the tamarin, howler, spider or squirrel.
If this is a Central America pack, it would be weird for the only monkey to be the saki monkey. Not saying I don’t love it, but why choose it over 4 other monkey species that are more iconic to the region? If it’s a Central America pack I could see them getting away with the 5-2 ratio. They’ve done 2 primates in a pack before. They could take multiple species from the top 10 of the meta wishlist, and tamarin, spider and howler are all in there. Last time we got 2 primates from the same continent, 1 in the art and the other a surprise. Could we get that again?
So if it’s Americas with a 4-3 ratio, Bobcat and Coati. But if it’s Central America with 5-2, Coati and another monkey.
If this is a Central America pack, it would be weird for the only monkey to be the saki monkey. Not saying I don’t love it, but why choose it over 4 other monkey species that are more iconic to the region? If it’s a Central America pack I could see them getting away with the 5-2 ratio. They’ve done 2 primates in a pack before. They could take multiple species from the top 10 of the meta wishlist, and tamarin, spider and howler are all in there. Last time we got 2 primates from the same continent, 1 in the art and the other a surprise. Could we get that again?
So if it’s Americas with a 4-3 ratio, Bobcat and Coati. But if it’s Central America with 5-2, Coati and another monkey.