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DLC 19 Speculation
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I would love an ocelot but agree on the croc and tapir. I would be okay with a white tailed deer though, as I love ungulates.
I fully agree. But for me, mara/ocelot or mara and most other animals would do it, too - even e.g. mara and marsh deer or mara and American Black Bear despite me not being into ursids...Mara and Coati would save the pack for meor a tamandua/porcupine
Would ruin the pack imo (or just really disappointing impossible to ruin it with the saki confirmed): Roadrunner and Burrowing Owl.
Would be great for the pack: Coati and Mara.
Would make this the best pack in existence: Another NWM and Jabiru/Brazilian Porcupine.
Would be great for the pack: Coati and Mara.
Would make this the best pack in existence: Another NWM and Jabiru/Brazilian Porcupine.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I strongly disagree with the roadrunner and burrowing owl. Both would be something new to build for that we have never had before. Both would give the American prairie and desert its final representation (speaking of opinions, IMO). The burrowing owl is potentially the only owl we could ever get in game. Both would give us further small bird representation and indoor bird representation. Finally the roadrunner and burrowing owl would be another instant mixed species habitat animal.
Personally I agree with the rest though, for what this pack could be I wish we had more slots. Personally the Patagonian Mara, another NWM, another bird, and a reptile are all what I would like to see the most.
Okay I'll bite:
Wouldruin the pack finish it in a disappointing way: ending it with any two ungulates
Would be great for the pack: Mara & burrowing owl
Would make this the best pack in existence: coati & squirrel/spider monkey
Would
Would be great for the pack: Mara & burrowing owl
Would make this the best pack in existence: coati & squirrel/spider monkey
I think both Ocelot and Coati are highly likely for the 2 final spots - Frontier loves their cats and Coati would fill the Top of the Meta Wishlist "requirement". They also work as both North and South American animals, and it would also fill the Frontier mantra of having a mix of great, decent, and controversial choices all in one DLC.
Lemme give a shot:
Would ruin it: 2 ungulates in the last 2 slots
I feel ambivalent towards it:
Pack is the BOMB:
Would ruin it: 2 ungulates in the last 2 slots
I feel ambivalent towards it:
- American black bear. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have it, but I feel like this isn't the time for the ABB. Later down the road yes, but not now
- Ocelot - I don't care for it much, but I see its value
Pack is the BOMB:
- Patagonian mara
- Argentine black-and-white tegu
- 2nd NWM that isn't capuchin
- Scarlet ibis
- Roseatte spoonbill
- Coati
I changed my mind actually. The burrowing owl would join the coati for making this the best pack in existence. What a cool little animal and it would be so fun to build for. Breaking with my years-long cry for more monke, I stan the owl now.
Coati is a non-compromisable for me; Frontier, if you withhold on this we're gonna need to get counselling.
It's a technicality, the listed Sus scrofa is clearly intended for domestic pigs, so I don't think a zoo would realistically test that boundary.
There's a significant population of feral pigs that they could interbreed with, so there's certainly potential for problems getting worse, but pretty much all Foreign species have pest potential.
They don't give any reasoning for the assessments, so I'm not sure. Maturity is around 25, so it's not pest potential. It might have to do with risk of being stolen and trafficked, specifically overnight storage requirements.
There's over 300 in the High security category, Research only applications seem the main culprit, but it also includes all foreign Penguins, all foreign Amphibians (probably disease related), Night Monkeys, Guereza, Porcupine, Coati, Spotted Deer (so important it's on there twice), Bolivian Squirrel monkey (but not Guianan), Francois' Langur (but not Ebony or Dusky), Aldabra, Elongate & Radiated Tortoises (not Galapagos or box turtle), Veiled Chameleon (requires 24hr surveillance), Venomous snakes, Solomon islands skink, and Argentine Tegu.
The requirement for Cougars to be desexed might be rooted in urban legend/superstition, with the Australian panther sightings thought by some to be Cougars, descendants of army mascots that supposedly escaped army bases during WW2 (I was told about it on a school camping trip, at maybe 10 years old, on a night walking tour).
With deer being actually endemic to South America and a wetlands deer also, very different from any other deer we have. 100% better pick than the WTD.
Personally while the marsh deer would be cool, if we had to get a semi aquatic deer I would still prefer the Peere David’s deer.
For me:
mediocre/meh pack (I don't think any pack is really bad): American Black Bear + any croc or tapir.
meh: American Black Bear + wapiti/walrus/pudu/tamandua/marsh deer
quite good: American Black Bear+ coati or coati+anything other than mara or ocelot
good: coati+mara or mara+most other animals (then I would even take an ABB or croc)
very good: mara+ocelot or mara+an ungulate (e.g. huemul, marsh deer, white-tailed deer).
mediocre/meh pack (I don't think any pack is really bad): American Black Bear + any croc or tapir.
meh: American Black Bear + wapiti/walrus/pudu/tamandua/marsh deer
quite good: American Black Bear+ coati or coati+anything other than mara or ocelot
good: coati+mara or mara+most other animals (then I would even take an ABB or croc)
very good: mara+ocelot or mara+an ungulate (e.g. huemul, marsh deer, white-tailed deer).
They are also very unique birds and so cool irl, i really don't understand how someone could think they would be the worst possible choice for this pack when objectivly would add the most to the roster out of all the options we have discussed. Also the burrowing owl has a MASSIVE range. Unlike the WTD i very prevalent throughout all of South America as well. Would be able to use the burrow too (duh). And they are so intertaining with how curious and active they are. And if they come with perching pole with flying animations (at least to get up and down from it) it would be probably the best animal in the pack.
Roadrunners are also freaking cool on their own. A very beautiful and smart predatory small bird. And like you said would add more to north american deserts. In popular culture, thanks to the looney toones, is a companion of the coyote (just like the mara comes together with the rhea for me).
There are only two things i would be happy to see instead of the mara: another more unique bird (ibis, spoonbill, screamer, burrowing owl, pelican, roadrunner, duck) or another NWM (just not another capuchin).
I really hope for the Coati and the Golden Lion Tamarin or Mara to take the remaining to spots in the DLC, as long as they stick by the 7 animals. Ocelot would also be okayish.
If it had to be an ungulate, I would strongly vote for the Pudu. This is the one deer, I would really like to have.
But the roster we know so far points more towards the deserty direction, so I guess ocelot would match more with the animals that are in there already.
I honestly start doubting if Frontier really ever took the Meta-wishlist serious or if the first DLCs had just coincidental matches with it, because the animals were still more obvious to complete a Zoo Game, like meerkats, white rhinos or mooses or cougars. Especially since the Eurasia Pack I think Frontier could have increased the amount of sellings a lot, if they had really gone more strictly by the meta-wishlist. The Tropical and Arid Packs were already disappointing for most of us. If the Oceania Pack would not have contained the Tasmanian Devil it would have been a disappointment, too. But I guess it is an obvious choice for a DLC that delivers animals from Oceania. That they did not include the Goodfellow or a Victoria Crowned Pigeon also leaves me in doubt about the fact if they ever took a look on the Meta-wishlist. But the packs that makes me question it the most are Barnyard and Zookeeper tbh. A Zookeeper's Pack would have had so much more options to include animals from the Meta Wishlist, if Frontier just had wanted it. And if they would know the Meta-Wishlist, why would the want to disappoint the buyers? So I really hope the last spots in the new "Pan-American Animal Pack" will coincidentally or intenionally be animals from the Top 20 of the Meta Wishlist.
If it had to be an ungulate, I would strongly vote for the Pudu. This is the one deer, I would really like to have.
But the roster we know so far points more towards the deserty direction, so I guess ocelot would match more with the animals that are in there already.
I honestly start doubting if Frontier really ever took the Meta-wishlist serious or if the first DLCs had just coincidental matches with it, because the animals were still more obvious to complete a Zoo Game, like meerkats, white rhinos or mooses or cougars. Especially since the Eurasia Pack I think Frontier could have increased the amount of sellings a lot, if they had really gone more strictly by the meta-wishlist. The Tropical and Arid Packs were already disappointing for most of us. If the Oceania Pack would not have contained the Tasmanian Devil it would have been a disappointment, too. But I guess it is an obvious choice for a DLC that delivers animals from Oceania. That they did not include the Goodfellow or a Victoria Crowned Pigeon also leaves me in doubt about the fact if they ever took a look on the Meta-wishlist. But the packs that makes me question it the most are Barnyard and Zookeeper tbh. A Zookeeper's Pack would have had so much more options to include animals from the Meta Wishlist, if Frontier just had wanted it. And if they would know the Meta-Wishlist, why would the want to disappoint the buyers? So I really hope the last spots in the new "Pan-American Animal Pack" will coincidentally or intenionally be animals from the Top 20 of the Meta Wishlist.
Heck, it's hard to choose between a NA duck or the roadrunner. But I think I'd rather the roadrunner since we can get a duck from elsewhere.
Seeing then in the wild, roadrunners are always fun. They do run along roads sometimes, yes, it's not a myth or a cartoon gag. I see them in open fields with slightly tall grass, jumping around catching grasshoppers.
Occasionally they'll run into the forest and perch in a tree, but I usually see them running across open areas
Seeing then in the wild, roadrunners are always fun. They do run along roads sometimes, yes, it's not a myth or a cartoon gag. I see them in open fields with slightly tall grass, jumping around catching grasshoppers.
Occasionally they'll run into the forest and perch in a tree, but I usually see them running across open areas
For ZK they did add some heavy requested animals (just not the top ones from the MTW). And if this american pack was already planned that would explain why coati and a new world monkey (or any bird) was in it, since this pack contains all of those (that is if one of the remaining animals trully is the coati... is still very weird to me that the animal the pick to promote the pack up front is the coyote if the coati is supposed to be in this...).
What they did with Barnyard i will never understand tbh. Perfect opportunity to give us a duck: missed. Perfect goat breed for a petting farm animal the african pygmy goat (being also the most requested): missed. There were also more popular options for a pig breed with the opportunity to making this pack more "international" although to me another pig wasn't necessary at all. And of course, no rabbit (with the quokka as base i don't think it would have been that much of a stretch to expect them in a farm coded pack). And with how popular and beloved rabbits are among people in general it would have been a hit i think.
The abscence of the tree kangaroo is also weird. Maybe it was to difficult to implement or maybe just like (we hope) the coati and new world monkey were being saved for a future pack (maybe next one? at least i hope that is the case for the secretary bird lol)
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Yeah, the concept behind Barnyard was good, in my opinion. But they messed it up by making it based on European farms:
- The chicken could've been any chicken, or even a guieneafowl
- The donkey, while I like it, could've been another animal.
- The cow was fine. I don't have any issues with it
- The Tamworth pig, no. If they were gonna do a pig, do something more interesting
- The alpaca was ok, I guess
- The sheep could've been something more exotic, too
- The goat was meh. The pygmy goat would've been nicer