DLC 19 Speculation

[The Aardvark]

The bat was WE. A tree roo at WE would be terrible. Saiga and Sloth Bear don t deserve hatred too. They are two visually unique animals that are really neat to the general public.

I might be in the minority, but I like the inclusion of the Saiga. I like it when DLCs give us the occasional animal that is really challenging to keep in captivity (Saiga, Platypus, Proboscis Monkey, Three-Toed Sloth), it can make for some really interesting exhibits.
There's a paper I recommend that delves really deep into the ideal design for a Saiga exhibit, and... Yeah it's a real challenge to make these animals thrive IRL

 

[Dinoceratan]

I also like the Saiga antelope, I just said I would have liked a blackbuck or gaur just as much (and more than the sloth bear - which was the only "meh" habitat animal in the Eurasia Pack).

 

[The Aardvark]

Kind of shows my point, I don't get why a 3rd Rhino is overkill, but 8 Bears is perfectly fine

I don't use any of the bears normally, and if we stopped at like 5 species (say, for example: grizzly, polar, panda, spectacled, sun) I would have been fine with that. But now leaving just one species out would feel off.

Also, the ABB is far different from the grizzly, our other NA bear. It's much smaller, different in colour, and more versatile when it comes to habitat design and biomes.

 

[jcp011c]

Hate is a strong word, that should be reserved solely for the Walking unnecessary raw Bacon in the barnyard pack.

I still dislike the drama gazelle and the fourth lemur that should have been a new world monkey, but most things i didn’t like at first have improved their standing with me over time.

 

[The Sea Blimp]

It was the sloth that the community chose and requested from the random’s list.

huh, I checked after I saw a metawishlist video a while back and could've sworn it was the 2 toed that was the highest ranked sloth. Must have misremembered then.

 

[nutrit]

huh, I checked after I saw a metawishlist video a while back and could've sworn it was the 2 toed that was the highest ranked sloth. Must have misremembered then.

it was complicated - in the meantime the list was changed and the species were split but for a long time the brown throated sloth was the only one on the list.
If you play on pc there are great mods for other sloth species both for WTE and habitat.

 

[synthetase]

Am I the only one who is fine with the Tamworth Pig? I think a Pig is nice to have for petting zoos. I would have preferred kune kune, but at least we have a domestic pig...
Also, leads into a super hot take: depending how much support is left I want to see more domestics...

• Cameroon Sheep (I saw someone mention it earlier and I think its a great option since it looks and probably behaves so different than Hill Radnor!)
• Texas Longhorn
• Pyagora Goat
• Silky Chicken
• Kune Kune
• etc...

The only thing is we could have them way more spread out than all in one pack.
Edit: I forgot Mustang and/or Shetland Pony

 

[The_Riot22]

I was personally against the idea of a third rhino in general. I didn't hate the black rhino specifically, I just feel like three rhinos are kinda overkill.
I can barely tell the two African species apart anyway

ABB would be cool because at this point we're in too deep with the bears. We have 7/8 species, we need to complete the collection

To play Devil's Advocate, aren't we also "in too deep" with Rhinos too? We just need to add Sumatran and Javan to complete the set right?
So I'm not sure why "completing the bears/rattites" was so important. No one ever talks about "completing the seals" or "completing the small cats".
I agree the addition of the white made the black(rhinos of course lol) less important. But it's just 1 spot, it's still an iconic animal, and I can think of 3 bear slots that could easily be removed without much fuss.

 

[The Aardvark]

Am I the only one who is fine with the Tamworth Pig? I think a Pig is nice to have for petting zoos. I would have preferred kune kune, but at least we have a domestic pig...
Also, leads into a super hot take: depending how much support is left I want to see more domestics...

• Cameroon Sheep (I saw someone mention it earlier and I think its a great option since it looks and probably behaves so different than Hill Radnor!)
• Texas Longhorn
• Pyagora Goat
• Silky Chicken
• Kune Kune
• etc...

The only thing is we could have them way more spread out than all in one pack.
Edit: I forgot Mustang and/or Shetland Pony

What if we end up getting mustang in the upcoming pack (just kidding. Hopefully)

 

[CaprinemasterAT]

If I am honest, there is no species I would want to remove from the game. All we have is fine for me BUT none of the packs were perfect and you know what, it's fine. Did we need a third rhino? No, not really, but it is still nice to have for me. I like all animals, as long as they are being kept in captivity. I admit, I have some problems with the Saiga and the wild buffalo, but I do not complain that much. Of course I would rather like the blackbuck or the domestic water buffalo, but its also important to say, just because the blackbuck was not in the Eurasia pack, although it would have been the perfect opportunity, nobody says, it will never come to the game. Look, nobody of us know, how many packs we have left but at this point, we can be happy about every animal because I guess, most of us never thought this game still gets DLCs even after 5 years.
I wanted to say also, that I completely understand when people don't like some animal choices and I totally understand this. Personally, I do not need the coyote at all, and when I first saw it, my first reaction was : "What? NOOO". But when times goes by, I guess he is okay.

 

[Birb（｡･ө･｡）]

Yeah I don't mind the pig so much, I think it's a terrible choice as a breed over a kunekune or potbelly but I do think having a pig at all is essential for a farm section. That's kind of a running theme in the pack tbh - bad breed choices, but I still use them because they're my only options for their niche.

The alpaca is the weakest for me, personally, just because of how redundant it is. Even though it's a common breed, it just does nothing that the llama didn't do previously in an already ungulate dominated pack.

 

[CaprinemasterAT]

Am I the only one who is fine with the Tamworth Pig? I think a Pig is nice to have for petting zoos. I would have preferred kune kune, but at least we have a domestic pig...
Also, leads into a super hot take: depending how much support is left I want to see more domestics...

• Cameroon Sheep (I saw someone mention it earlier and I think its a great option since it looks and probably behaves so different than Hill Radnor!)
• Texas Longhorn
• Pyagora Goat
• Silky Chicken
• Kune Kune
• etc...

The only thing is we could have them way more spread out than all in one pack.
Edit: I forgot Mustang and/or Shetland Pony

To be honest: same. Domestics still are, wild or not, part of every zoo. I would like to see the yak or watussi for example too.

 

[Antonin]

Guys&girls, when do you think we’ll have some news ??

 

[The Aardvark]

To play Devil's Advocate, aren't we also "in too deep" with Rhinos too? We just need to add Sumatran and Javan to complete the set right?

HEAVENS no. (Kidding)

So I'm not sure why "completing the bears/rattites" was so important. No one ever talks about "completing the seals" or "completing the small cats".

Ratites are kind of essential zoo animals, plus the rhea was always very heavily requested (one of my previous message sums it up pretty well, but basically: all from different continents and/or biomes, all distinct in appearance). I don't like or use the bears, but at least most of them are from different areas and biomes.
Meanwhile the two African rhinos just feel very samey, except that one is just slightly darker and lives in a slightly different biome.
Also, all the bears we have (minus the very species subs like Himalayan or Formosan) are common in captivity, same goes for ratites; two of the three rhino species, the ones we don't have, aren't even found in captivity anywhere.
As for seals and small cats: there are like 15 species of seals and 30something small cats, it would be realistically impossible to have all of them in-game.

 

[CaprinemasterAT]

Guys&girls, when do you think we’ll have some news ??

next week Tuesday is my bet

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

Do you really consider yourselves animal lovers? It seems like the entire concept of zoos and conservation hasn't quite sunk in.

Huh? What makes you think that just because i don't like the black Rhino on the game, im not a animal lover or that i doesn't comprehend what a zoo is?

And just to make it clear i didn't want the black rhino solely because the White rhino is both more apealing visually for me and is better for mixed exhibits, therefore making it a better animal to have ingame. IMO irl zoos should priotize the black rhino or just make them equally important as the white rhino, but my opinions about irl pratices on zoos matter very little when it comes for what i want, why? cuz this is a zoo game, and for me, the animal and it niches are way more important than they IUCN status, as while the former will affect how i will build habitats, the latter doesn't.

 

[The_Riot22]

HEAVENS no. (Kidding)

Same here...although I do love both Sumatran and Javan rhinos

Ratites are kind of essential zoo animals, plus the rhea was always very heavily requested (one of my previous message sums it up pretty well, but basically: all from different continents and/or biomes, all distinct in appearance). I don't like or use the bears, but at least most of them are from different areas and biomes.
Meanwhile the two African rhinos just feel very samey, except that one is just slightly darker and lives in a slightly different biome.
Also, all the bears we have (minus the very species subs like Himalayan or Formosan) are common in captivity, same goes for ratites; two of the three rhino species, the ones we don't have, aren't even found in captivity anywhere.
As for seals and small cats: there are like 15 species of seals and 30something small cats, it would be realistically impossible to have all of them in-game.

I agree with your points. But not all those seals or cats are common in zoos right? So "complete the small cat" set with one small cat from each continent - but I saw tons of people after we got 1 small cat that we no longer need any more. Same with the grey seal. There was a ton of backlash against the Dhole being too similar to the Dingo, even though they are from separate continents and do have different biomes.

My point is just that for whatever reason people want more bear variety than other animals...it's fine. I get it. Bears are cool. But I don't think the variations you've been laying out end up creating such a chasm of difference between "only 1 is fine" and "WE NEED THEM ALL".

 

[DarthQuell]

Might be a hot take, but I find it kind of hilarious and hypocritical that there are a lot of people hating on the Black Rhino for just being another Rhino(3), but then get super excited about filling out the Ratites(5) and Bears(8)

Honestly, I feel like having all the ratites and all the bears adds far more value than a 2nd African rhino.
The ratites and bears add much more in the long run than the black rhino. Besides being critically endangered, what's the difference between the black rhino and the white rhino?
When on the other hand, the ostrich goes great in mixed African habitats, the emu is great in mixed Aussie habitats, the rhea is great in mixed SA habitats, the cassowary is complete different than the other 3, and the kiwi is 1 of a kind...
For bears, they all have a different role. Polar bears are uniquely tundra. Brown bears are temperate animals. Sun bears are tropical, arboreal bears. The Sloth and Asian black bears don't add a whole.lot, but at least the sloth bear adds something to India. The ABB is completely different than the grizzly, so they wouldn't overlap at all; plus, it'll be the only arid bear in the game

 

[FoxyDee]

Am I the only one who is fine with the Tamworth Pig? I think a Pig is nice to have for petting zoos. I would have preferred kune kune, but at least we have a domestic pig...

I like it. It looks like a generic pig species, and that is totally okay with me. To be honest, with the domestic animals I do not mind the weird breed picks as much as I would with wild animal species.

 

[The Aardvark]

Huh? What makes you think that just because i don't like the black Rhino on the game, im not a animal lover or that i doesn't comprehend what a zoo is?

And just to make it clear i didn't want the black rhino solely because the White rhino is both more apealing visually for me and is better for mixed exhibits, therefore making it a better animal to have ingame. IMO irl zoos should priotize the black rhino or just make them equally important as the white rhino, but my opinions about irl pratices on zoos matter very little when it comes for what i want, why? cuz this is a zoo game, and for me, the animal and it niches are way more important than they IUCN status, as while the former will affect how i will build habitats, the latter doesn't.

Excellent argument. This really encapsulates how I feel about the black rhinoceros... I have nothing against the actual animal (although I personally prefer the white and Indian species IRL too) but in-game it feels very redundant. In the end, the habitats will be basically the same, and without even a different geographical to justify it