Me?
Very, thank you...
... but then, I've been playing ED for fun for years, so OTT OP would be fine by me. (Other opinions may disagree)
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Very, thank you...
... but then, I've been playing ED for fun for years, so OTT OP would be fine by me. (Other opinions may disagree)
Surprised to see you asking for buffs, old friend
I do actually think it's OP. There's no way I'd use a clipper over this. Nor my old krait.
Also I think that's a bit an argument in bad faith. Usually it is argued that the Clipper isn't really a large ship. Now it suddenly is?
i think that the main comparison comes from corsairs being somewhat inbetween clipper and courier, which both can achieve similar(better) speeds. while, of course, in regards to general purpose and loadout its much closer to the clipper while retaining some properties from the courier.
i dont rock with empire so i dont have it ingame, but i built a clipper on edsy in ~ the same loadout as my corsair, and the max speed is pretty much the same. (at full fuel and cargo capacity)
so should new generation, medium, sco optimised (paid for with real money) ship have the same speed as the old, large one? shouldnt medium ships be a bit better in the speed than large ships?
arguably corsair pulls enough benefits to perhaps make up for it, mainly in it being able to haul a bit more without it impacting its agility that much. but compared to the clipper its still a very small difference.
so should an old, large ship be the same speed as new gen medium ship?
if the corsair could go to 615 i would probably be a bit more happy...
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Sadly, I'm also one of those who thought Clipper speeds, although I have only played in it for an hour, with the 'wrong' loadout (because I rushed to play with it) and swore a lot...Surprised to see you asking for buffs, old friend
I'll give it a better chance to perform over the weekend, once it is outfitted 'properly' for the CG.
And, of course, I'm getting ancient, so need the ship to make up for my deficiencies
bait used to be believable
Yeh, this is a funny point but I'd allow it in this case if FD explicitly said the Corsair would match it for speed.
If they did, they probably should revise that, allow refunds, or revise the ship because we paid real money for it.
I'm not seeing that they did say this though. Like, how much faster is the clipper? Isn't it OK if it's better at something despite being compared?
Compared doesn't mean "the same".
A fixed hitscan (laser/rail) seems to be the only one viable solution... will try a pulse disruptor.
I can't be bothered to scrub through the streams where they talked about it, but I watched them all and they didn't. Not explicitly. They may have said it is fast, but 600 is still not slow. Zac called it a kind of successor to the Clipper in some vague words and gave us the raw loadout stats. That's about it.
The courier can hit 750ms or higher. If we're only talking about speed, I can't see the clipper nor the Corsair being in the same discussion as the courier tbh.i think that the main comparison comes from corsairs being somewhat inbetween clipper and courier, which both can achieve similar(better) speeds. while, of course, in regards to general purpose and loadout its much closer to the clipper while retaining some properties from the courier.
i dont rock with empire so i dont have it ingame, but i built a clipper on edsy in ~ the same loadout as my corsair, and the max speed is pretty much the same. (at full fuel and cargo capacity)
so should new generation, medium, sco optimised (paid for with real money) ship have the same speed as the old, large one? shouldnt medium ships be a bit better in the speed than large ships?
arguably corsairs pulls enough benefits to perhaps make up for it, mainly in it being able to haul a bit more without it impacting its agility that much. but compared to the clipper its still a very small difference.
so should an old, large ship be the same speed as new gen medium ship?
if the corsair could go to 615 i would probably be a bit more happy...
I'm seeing people say the clipper is faster than small ships. I don't dispute that (there are a lot of small ships, I'm certain it beats many of them for speed, as does the Corsair, mind). I'm also not disputing the clipper may be faster than the Corsair.
What I'm asking is where FD said the Corsair would match the clipper for speed. Match (not exceed, which I'm getting the impression some want).
It's a fast ship. There's no other description of its speed that's more accurate than that.
If FD said it would match the clipper but it doesn't, I agree that's a fair point of contention.
If using fixed weapons elsewhere (and why not, it's ultra accurate), a gimble mc works fine underneath. It will land shots if your fixed weapons can land shots.
If using all gimble, the underside is only useful as an alt fire option, as you suggest. But then many options work. Missiles for large ships and on foot kills. A rail. A plasma. A flak for larger ships or close range. Or just gimble mcs for when you are able to point directly at a target (or larger ships).
I am entirely unconvinced this is some major issue though. What other multi role ship has 6 perfectly converged points? Remember, this is not a combat ship.
It's got 5 extremely good points. I think that's enough. I use fixed on all 5 (the first time I've done so for years) and I'm old, slow and out of practice. Yet I find the Corsair trivial to aim at tiny ships in PvE.
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Easy solution. Put a festive flak launcher on the belly, and have some fireworks while dogfighting.
I have no idea what the max speed is, but mine cruises at 506 and boosts to 641.
If you configure a bare bones Clipper in EDSY with nothing but dirty drives, EDSY calculates 642.
i agree, thats why i was comparing it to clipper.
im almost sure i can have an opinion or wish for something without frontier explicitly mentioning it.
i bought the early access, im part of the general "beta" test of the ship, im giving a feedback on it.
just because you dont agree doesnt mean you have to disregard it based on a wholly different argument. i never mentioned anything about fdev promising or mentioning anything.
i mean... you can... but in that case oh well...
Thanks. So they didn't explicitly say it would be faster.
I love this community and probably wouldn't change it for the world, it's still easily one of the best gaming communities I've ever experienced. By some margin.
But it's still just as bad as it's always been at jumping to conclusions then complaining when that conclusion isn't met.
Ok, but that's not what I'm replying to.
I'm explicitly responding to comments stating that FD stated something.
As for your opinion. I just flat disagree. It's strong in a lot of ways. It needn't be the best in all ways. And if all the complaints here got sway, it'd end up being the most agile and fast ship and all the other benefits it already has.
It doesn't have to be that. I'm unconvinced by any arguments either. Mostly they seem to be "but FD said it" or "it should beat small ships".
Not to my knowledge, but I am also just a random dude on the internet, so what do I know
I can't find any trace on the internet and don't remember a source, but many moons ago I saw a cartoon on the web with a guy closing a book labeled "unfulfilled expectations" and saying: "I excpeted more."
That is quite an advantage over the Corsair, though for it to be a fair comparison, the clipper must be fully loaded.
The Corsair hits near 600 with a heavy load out.
Still unconvinced it needs to match the clipper in all respects. That thing has awful convergence and I don't recall it being super agile (beyond its strong thrusters giving it the ability to turn fast).
Is it also significantly more agile than the Corsair? Isn't the Corsair heavier and so needs S7s to be as fast as it is? Are the shields and hull better?
My Corsair obliterates my krait for shield and hull. And it's faster. I don't recall ever thinking "ah I wish I used a clipper instead of this average krait"...
I'll be honest, I'm not really bothered because it's just such a fun ship to fly. But it absolutely beats my krait. Blows it out of the water for combat imo.
And the clipper is a large ship so I'd expect it to beat the Corsair for defences. But my guess is there's not a huge difference. My standard s6 reinforced shields (4x optimised boosters and as many guardian shields as I could fit) put the raw shield strength up to 2.7k. Which is silly for a medium ship.
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Full combat load?