Indeed. If the boffins at Gutamaya decide to tweak the Corsair next week, I’ll be shocked, I tell ya, shocked!
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Indeed. If the boffins at Gutamaya decide to tweak the Corsair next week, I’ll be shocked, I tell ya, shocked!
I know it's odd to reply to your own post, but I need to make a correction. They shouldn't increase the pitch rate up to 52 degrees because that's what my Python MK II can due (fully engineered). However, maybe increase the pitch rate to a max of 45 degrees or 48? Make it a little more agile.
Then again, maybe it's fine and mine is just cursed (and I didn't even get a free frogurt). Seriously, I've had nothing but mishaps... most were user error, because I'm under tremendous stress this week, and every mishap was making things worse. Also my SteelSeries CG app issues for my headset, and VoiceAttack crashes (need to upgrade to VA2) weren't helping.
With luck they'll be watching going...
Why is it going so slow, design was for a fast ship
That doesn't turn the way we designed it
Mass-Locked by a Courier?
Love that beak, give the designer a bonus...
Then we get advised of an OTA firmware update to sort these minor niggles out...
Sorry to hear about the stress... but try and keep a positive spin on things.
For example I can personally attest that my x56 fire trigger is working at least 50% of the time. And the price of a replacement has come down since I last bought one....
(Sigh)
Just drives me crazy that my type-8 can out yaw a Corsair by quite a bit. I was thinking that better yaw was going to be standard on the new gen ships but I guess not.
I think that's the main gripe I have, we were spoiled with new ships that were better then the old gen and now this one drops it fly like an old ship and was hyped up by fdev (almost no reason to ever fit 7A thrusters) to seem better. It is what it is, I still enjoy it but for mainly the fact it has SCO capabilities, makes a good python miner replacement.
I think that's the main gripe I have, we were spoiled with new ships that were better then the old gen and now this one drops it fly like an old ship and was hyped up by fdev (almost no reason to ever fit 7A thrusters) to seem better. It is what it is, I still enjoy it but for mainly the fact it has SCO capabilities, makes a good python miner replacement.
I've been banging on about wanting a Federal Interceptor / Constrictor for ages ... ideally the FAS flight model with better weapons (2xC3, 2xC2, 2xC1 maybe - and not in stupid locations under the back of the hull!) and a C6 internal for decent BiWeaves. Having 5 utility slots would be a great shout for a little 'more' without going OP and, frankly, any argument for that being OP goes out the window when you consider the Python Mk II.
Given my Corsair some more attention today. First I tried frags but I must be missing something ... I know people find them very effective but they seemed very mediocre to me. Or should I say, very mediocre in my hands?!
However, I did manage to quantify the two big issues I've been having:
So, I've gone back to my first proposed loadout:
Once the shields are down, those three C3 multis do an excellent job and the Corrosive effect on one means I can even bring the Beams back in for longer range hull damage if they try to run. Also, many thanks to @Rat Catcher for pointing out the spin-up time problem... I've adjusted my tactics to fire earlier than needed and am also sometimes using the beams first against hull until the multis are spinning and this has helped with more consistent DPS.
I also managed to stack some better booster / guardian module combos to get my shields close to 1400MJ (from ~1180MJ previously) which seems to have helped survivability.
Thus far? Well ... today there seems to be backup in most signal sources which has obviously made things easier but I have taken out multiple ships with much less stress than yesterday - including a solo victory against a Deadly Anaconda running SCBs, chaff and a fighter (which got a bit of a free reign on my shields) without dropping below 30% shields which was exactly the kind of situation I was having to run from last night.
So, in summary, I'm enjoying it a lot more. I'm not sure it's my favourite ship (which I has assumed it would be based on the pre-release specs) but if rumours about Gutamaya monitoring performance in the upcoming CG end up with them tweaking the thruster software for a little more agility, who knows ...
However, I did manage to quantify the two big issues I've been having:
- Power NPCs with SCBs dragging out the shield stripping stage, even with two C3 Beams
- Not enough DPS against hull from the C2/C3 MC combo to finish enemies off quickly before the shields recharge
So, I've gone back to my first proposed loadout:
- 2x C2 Beams (Long Range + Thermal Vent)
- 1x C2 Railgun (Long Range & High Capacity + Feedback Cascade)
- 3x C3 Multi-Cannon (Overcharged + Auto-Loader / Corrosive)
Once the shields are down, those three C3 multis do an excellent job and the Corrosive effect on one means I can even bring the Beams back in for longer range hull damage if they try to run. Also, many thanks to @Rat Catcher for pointing out the spin-up time problem... I've adjusted my tactics to fire earlier than needed and am also sometimes using the beams first against hull until the multis are spinning and this has helped with more consistent DPS.
I also managed to stack some better booster / guardian module combos to get my shields close to 1400MJ (from ~1180MJ previously) which seems to have helped survivability.
Thus far? Well ... today there seems to be backup in most signal sources which has obviously made things easier but I have taken out multiple ships with much less stress than yesterday - including a solo victory against a Deadly Anaconda running SCBs, chaff and a fighter (which got a bit of a free reign on my shields) without dropping below 30% shields which was exactly the kind of situation I was having to run from last night.
So, in summary, I'm enjoying it a lot more. I'm not sure it's my favourite ship (which I has assumed it would be based on the pre-release specs) but if rumours about Gutamaya monitoring performance in the upcoming CG end up with them tweaking the thruster software for a little more agility, who knows ...
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I'm currently on 3 C3 Beams (G5 Efficient w/Thermal Vent) and 3 C2 Multicannons (G5 High Capacity, 2 with autoloader, one with corrosive). This is only slightly more than what I used on my Krait MK II (only 2 C2 Multicannons G5 High Capacity, both with corrosive). While I'm able to outmaneuver against enemy Corvette's and Anaconda's better than the Krait, the SLF really makes a difference (adds damage, distracts enemy). I may end up replacing the multicannons with Cannons since that worked well on my Chieftain (big beams burn shields, cannons shred the PowerPlant). Though the Chieftain can pitch even better than the my Python MK II, so I don't know...
Does anyone else feel (other than aesthetically) that the Python MK II is more like the FDL/Mamba MK II and the Corsair is the true Python Mk II?
Anyway, good luck with your build. I'm so overwhelmingly stressed right now I could probably stumble on the OP/Meta/mother of all builds and still screw up and think it's the ship. :/
As a side note, I'm glad I saw Mechan's video about the stutterbug. After all the issues I've had with my new computer the past few months (one bad memory dimm, then bad motherboard, then boot SSD was friend (by the bad motherboard), and issues with the SteelSeries Arctis 7 headset not mixing audio properly (apparently you MUST use their new Sonar or it will be bad), it was nice to know this stutter issue wasn't a portent of yet another thing going wrong. Silver linings and all that...
I do, and I've wrote it here weeks ago. This is the true take on Python, to enhance all the good things it has.
Existing P2 is a completely different beast.
That is indeed what it was built for. Can you say "Vanguards"?
So is living.Turrets are cheating
Speed is much more useful in AX. If you want to lower heat just look at the power plant, it’s much more effective.
Hey, sorry to bring this up again.
I definitely do trust your experience, but would like to understand.
So, the mod shard deals either 50% thermal dmg to human ships, or 50% to Thargoid ships.
The mod plasma charger deals 50% absolute to human, or 50% to Thargoids.
So, comparing a 6x shard vs 6x plasma build, that is:
Mod plasma chargers: 8.3 (base dmg) x 17 (multiplicator when fully charged) x 6 (number of hardpoints used) x 0.5 = 423 dmg (absolute).
2 seconds to fully charge and shoot.
vs
Mod shard: 6.77 (dmg per pellet) x 12 (number of pellets per shot) x 5 (shots per salvo) x 6 (number of hardpoints used) x 0.5 = 1218.5 dmg (thermal).
~3.5 seconds to fire the full salvo of 5 shots at 243.7 dmg per shot.
Against a human ship with 50% resistance to thermal (shield or/and hull), the shards would deal 609.25 dmg, 121.85 per shot.
Both have a shot speed of around 6000 m/s.
Falloff of plasma starts at 1000m. No spread.
Falloff of shard starts at 1500m. Some spread, but fine against big ship from this distance.
Both have armor penetration around 100, so no damage reduction against any human ships (hardest like Cutter are at 75).
Why wouldn't the shard be valid for PvP?
All I can think of is the difficulty to land the 5 shots of a salvo..?
Well the pitch is really closer to the corvette than it is to, say, a Krait2. It’s really disappointing.
For fun, and potential malicious intent, I built a silent running torpedo/hound Gunship.
Incredibly efficient against threat 6 assassination targets from wing missions which can be completed in 2-3 minutes.
I'm about to do a similar build on the Corsair, which will end up hotter, but oh so much faster than the Gunship.
As for comparing its pitch, well...Gunship ;-)
I'm quite amazed that I'm seeing a lot of chat here and reddit about how the Corsair doesn't pitch or yaw as quickly as other ships. As though this is some deal breaker.
I've twice blacked out trying to turn it. To be fair, I can't recreate that. But it did happen. But let's, for one moment, consider that it needs to be more agile than it is.
It does this:
1. It's faster than the Krait MkII. Faster than basically any ship short of small, very specific ships like the Imperial Courier.
2. It's got much, much stronger shields than the Krait MkII. I actually took my shields from my Krait and put them onto my Corsair and gained... something like 800 base strength. In all ways, it's better in this regard. It's not even a contest here, which surprised me.
3. I think it has much, much stronger hull. I say this because my military, fully upgraded armour on my Krait has something like 1.1k hull strength and my Corsair... with lightweight... and no upgrades to its armour have... 950 or so... I'll confirm when I actually finish upgrading it, but my guess is I can absolutely destroy my Krait's armour strength once fully upgraded.
4. It has better internals. Due to this, it can do everything the Krait MkII can do except deploy a fighter ship. Which it makes up for with the additional medium hard point. And, while we're talking about hard points...
5. Has, by a very, very wide margin, some of the best weapon convergence of many ships I can think of... Insanely good. To the point I have absolutely dropped gimble for it, except for the third, underbelly medium. Whilst I think it's no Python MKII beater, it absolutely is super fun for combat and doesn't slouch at all in any regard of this feature. I've immediately adopted fixed weaponry because of this, it's just trivial to use against PVE.
Do we really need this to be more agile than a Corvette? I see that said a lot. And I get that to a certain degree, because one is a large ship. I'm just not feeling it, because my Corvette a) doesn't hit 595ms/s and b) doesn't change vector even nearly as quickly as this ship. It turns faster than I expect from a heavy ship. And I think that's ok. I also don't expect a multirole ship to... beat every other ship at every other thing it can do. Which the Corsair would do if they made it more agile than it already is. To be clear, it is not sluggish in any regard.
Like, I'm all for making this ship better. I paid money for it on two accounts. If you wanna buff it even more, go for it, guys! I'll take that if you lot insist. But does it really need it? It's not even "straight line fast" like most ships that can hit these speeds. It turns... fast. Maybe pitch and yaw aren't going to break your neck but it reacts to its new vector about as fast as a small ship does. I point it where I want to go and it... just agrees with me.
And you lot want more?
It just feels like most people are taking its only, very slight, downside, comparing it to some other entirely not multirole ships, then saying this is disappointing because it doesn't emulate that... If I had read all these comments before trying it myself, I'd have expected some Clipper/Cutter-esque performance. I'd have been entirely surprised.
I'll shut up now, though. If you can all somehow persuade FD to make this awesome ship stronger, I'll not stand in your way.
I've twice blacked out trying to turn it. To be fair, I can't recreate that. But it did happen. But let's, for one moment, consider that it needs to be more agile than it is.
It does this:
1. It's faster than the Krait MkII. Faster than basically any ship short of small, very specific ships like the Imperial Courier.
2. It's got much, much stronger shields than the Krait MkII. I actually took my shields from my Krait and put them onto my Corsair and gained... something like 800 base strength. In all ways, it's better in this regard. It's not even a contest here, which surprised me.
3. I think it has much, much stronger hull. I say this because my military, fully upgraded armour on my Krait has something like 1.1k hull strength and my Corsair... with lightweight... and no upgrades to its armour have... 950 or so... I'll confirm when I actually finish upgrading it, but my guess is I can absolutely destroy my Krait's armour strength once fully upgraded.
4. It has better internals. Due to this, it can do everything the Krait MkII can do except deploy a fighter ship. Which it makes up for with the additional medium hard point. And, while we're talking about hard points...
5. Has, by a very, very wide margin, some of the best weapon convergence of many ships I can think of... Insanely good. To the point I have absolutely dropped gimble for it, except for the third, underbelly medium. Whilst I think it's no Python MKII beater, it absolutely is super fun for combat and doesn't slouch at all in any regard of this feature. I've immediately adopted fixed weaponry because of this, it's just trivial to use against PVE.
Do we really need this to be more agile than a Corvette? I see that said a lot. And I get that to a certain degree, because one is a large ship. I'm just not feeling it, because my Corvette a) doesn't hit 595ms/s and b) doesn't change vector even nearly as quickly as this ship. It turns faster than I expect from a heavy ship. And I think that's ok. I also don't expect a multirole ship to... beat every other ship at every other thing it can do. Which the Corsair would do if they made it more agile than it already is. To be clear, it is not sluggish in any regard.
Like, I'm all for making this ship better. I paid money for it on two accounts. If you wanna buff it even more, go for it, guys! I'll take that if you lot insist. But does it really need it? It's not even "straight line fast" like most ships that can hit these speeds. It turns... fast. Maybe pitch and yaw aren't going to break your neck but it reacts to its new vector about as fast as a small ship does. I point it where I want to go and it... just agrees with me.
And you lot want more?
It just feels like most people are taking its only, very slight, downside, comparing it to some other entirely not multirole ships, then saying this is disappointing because it doesn't emulate that... If I had read all these comments before trying it myself, I'd have expected some Clipper/Cutter-esque performance. I'd have been entirely surprised.
I'll shut up now, though. If you can all somehow persuade FD to make this awesome ship stronger, I'll not stand in your way.
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The issue is how FDev communicated about the Corsair before its release.
They advertised a new multirole ship with class 7 thrusters.
They did not lie.
But players expected , especially after the release of the Mandalay and Cobra 5, yet another agile ship with great speed.
If they had said up front that it would be a luxurious fast flying heavy brick with a full size closet of internals, people would not be complaining.
Ok, I've done a lot more flying with this build at the CG. This ship is growing on me. It has... unique... flight characteristics. While the pitch may not be great, the vertical thrust ability is so strong that using that while turning I was able to frequently get behind and stay behind enemies and blow them up. I'm not the best pilot and usually my fights end up being jousting matches. While that still happened with this ship, I was able to outmaneuver a lot of ships I normally can't (FAS, Python, FDL, and Cobra MK III to name a few).
The weakness of this build is in dealing with big ships. Honestly, it seems like my beams are cutting up the small ships better than the MCs, so I may replace the multicannons with cannons. Then I can really blast the big ships.
To be clear, someone in a fully engineered Python Mk II would fly circles around me in this ship. My Python MK II (listed in my signature) is outfitted with 6 frags and is a large ship killer. Still, when I dog fight in it, I often end up sloppily ramming the enemy ships. With the Corsair I still had a fair bit of collisions early on (the big wings are just asking for it unless you roll), but nowhere near as much as I did in the Python MK II.
Fyi, my control scheme is an Xbox-like controller (Gullikit King Kong Pro II (or something like that)), so those of you with HOTAS setups or who fly with keyboard/mouse might really do some magic in both these ships. As I've mentioned in the past, I have to stick with this control setup because of my fibromyalgia. Previous attempts to use a HOTAS were exhausting; and while I might be able to handle it now, I don't have the energy to do the actual physical mounting/modifications to my workstation to support it's ergonomic setup. Anyway, my point is if I can pull these tricks with this ship, others may be able to make it shine.
I'd still love a few more degrees of pitch, but I guess I can live with it. The only issue I have with this ship (not a bug, a feature) is that like many non-large, non-slf carrying ships, wings of enemies can be dangerous. At first, they were a major problem, but I seem to be getting better at dealing with them as I get used to the ship. That said... who is the evil genius that seeded the RNG to make all the big, juicy enemy wings (e.g a T-10 and two Anacondas, or (as I saw tonight) 2 Anacondas and a Vulture) spawn when you're in a ship that can't handle it?! God, I would love to run across those in my Python Mk II! Zip in, one down, zip out. Rinse, repeat, big wing down in minutes. Only time I get that action is when taking assassination missions and all three Corvette targets decide to drop down on me at once. Love that.
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It's an agile ship with amazing speed. It may not be "the most agile of all ships", but I don't think they said that, did they? And why does it need it?! Honestly, why? How many buffs does it need?
As I said... have at it. You go, guys. I won't stop you in the quest to make my new, favourite, paid for ship more OP than it already is. But I'm amazed anyone thinks this isn't agile. Like, when you fly it, are you thinking "this is sluggish"? I'm consistently able to keep its fixed points on a PVE target most of the time. It's not "small-ship-agile", it's not even Mandalay agile, but... are you even comparing this to the Mandalay or T8 for agility and combat?
Why are we comparing it to the Corvette???
What amazed me so quickly about this ship is just how awesome it is for combat. If it was sluggish at all, I'd have written it off immediately for that. The fact it's reasonably agile and has simply amazing convergence makes it so much fun for combat. Maybe not "best in slot" for combat. I am not saying this is the PVP killer at all. But, I'm seeing comparisons purely on its yaw and pitch versus... The mandalay, T8 and... Corvette... How is any of that important for this ship?
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