DLC 19 Speculation
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JWE2 received almost all animals from JWE1.
I really hope they gonna do the same with planet zoo.
Yeah the only 3 cut from base game were the non-movie hybrids, which fair enough, and iirc one of the chinese stegosaurs from jwe1 base game was in the deluxe edition for JWE2, so they might do something similar here and put one of the PZ1 animals in PZ2 deluxe edition.
I mean, I doubt they'll do it, but remember that Zoo Tycoon 1 and 2 had different rosters. Several animals from the 1st game were cut and several new faces appeared in the 2nd.
The problem with PZ is that most of the requested animals already made an appearance....
The only thing I can legitimately see is maybe a few animals are not released at launch but released alongside DLCs thay feature birds and/or aquariums (because at this point, that'd be the big seller, I feel like)
The problem with PZ is that most of the requested animals already made an appearance....
The only thing I can legitimately see is maybe a few animals are not released at launch but released alongside DLCs thay feature birds and/or aquariums (because at this point, that'd be the big seller, I feel like)
Most of the newer animals should be in game (I mean "should" as in "I would like to").
But I could forgive re-relase of some base game and older DLC animals as long as they are remastered.
And of course as long as they're released along some brand new animals.
For example, I wouldn't mind paying for new Islands DLC that has flying birds, marine animals and remastered Orangutan
But I could forgive re-relase of some base game and older DLC animals as long as they are remastered.
And of course as long as they're released along some brand new animals.
For example, I wouldn't mind paying for new Islands DLC that has flying birds, marine animals and remastered Orangutan
Eh. I doubt they'll just take the same animals and "re-sell" them. They'll update the models and textures... And I'm assuming there will be some behavioral upgrades as well. The trick is making it worth buying again. Given Frontier's DLC model, though, I don't think it would make sense for them to say "here's the same 200+ animals again!" because that would eat into DLCs.
They'd just need to be sure to make it worth people buying again. And I think, with Planet Zoo, they could figure out how to do that.
I'll jump in on the PZ2 discussion.
I think you don't need 2 PhDs to know what are the basic animals any Zoo game should have, but the rest in the PZ roster are susceptible to be in potential PZ2 DLCs, or not ever making it to the game at all (HBB or bonobo to name the most obvious ones in my opinion).
Lion, zebra, giraffe, (one) tiger, (one) elephant, (one) rhino, (one) hippo, african antelope (one at least), (one) crocodilian, brown bear, African ape (one at least), and arguably ostrich and penguin, although the latter was not in PZ1.
Beyond that, they can swap as they please and it shouldn't be a massive deal. If kangaroos weren't basegame and penguins weren't basegame, I can see how i.e. pandas might not be basegame. Perfect DLC material. And add flying birds and maybe fully aquatics in the equation. There are simply too many animals out there to choose from, and they obviously will want to shake things up and make the roster different from PZ1. We might not get a red panda and get coati instead; we might not get grey wolf and get a lynx species, we might not get sable antelope and get blackbuck - no big deal (in my opinion).
Also, expecting most of the current PZ animals to be in PZ2 basegame is delusional. In fact, I would be extremely surprised to see anything beyond 130-150, which double the amount we got in PZ1. And yes, this even if we have flying birds. They won't go and add 15-20 flying birds from start. Perhaps 5 and that's it.
I think you don't need 2 PhDs to know what are the basic animals any Zoo game should have, but the rest in the PZ roster are susceptible to be in potential PZ2 DLCs, or not ever making it to the game at all (HBB or bonobo to name the most obvious ones in my opinion).
Lion, zebra, giraffe, (one) tiger, (one) elephant, (one) rhino, (one) hippo, african antelope (one at least), (one) crocodilian, brown bear, African ape (one at least), and arguably ostrich and penguin, although the latter was not in PZ1.
Beyond that, they can swap as they please and it shouldn't be a massive deal. If kangaroos weren't basegame and penguins weren't basegame, I can see how i.e. pandas might not be basegame. Perfect DLC material. And add flying birds and maybe fully aquatics in the equation. There are simply too many animals out there to choose from, and they obviously will want to shake things up and make the roster different from PZ1. We might not get a red panda and get coati instead; we might not get grey wolf and get a lynx species, we might not get sable antelope and get blackbuck - no big deal (in my opinion).
Also, expecting most of the current PZ animals to be in PZ2 basegame is delusional. In fact, I would be extremely surprised to see anything beyond 130-150, which double the amount we got in PZ1. And yes, this even if we have flying birds. They won't go and add 15-20 flying birds from start. Perhaps 5 and that's it.
Eh JWE2 showed us them almost putting everything from the first game in the second. If they do add aquatics and aviaries there will be plenty of fodder for DLC material. We really don’t need to make cuts. We need variety. If I want one zoo to have bonobos and another to have chimps that only helps us. They can format dlcs of 2 aquatics, 2 land creatures, 2 birds, realistically for example and they’ll never run out of material to add.
I don’t like this argument. They’re definitely going to touch up the lion, wolf, etc in the BASE game. We don’t need to pay for these animals again cause they’re bringing them up to standards. Again JWE2 did this with the muttaburrasaurus for example, with no extra charge. I’m very much against them cutting animals intentionally with the intention of re selling or never adding them. PZ2 should only be an upgrade. Do I believe this is realistic?Probably not unfortunately, they’re definitely going to make us pay for old animals. Doesn’t make it any less scummy
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I always imagined that PZ2 would be a whole new game, starting with a new base set of animals that are built using whatever new technology they have at their disposal and the improvements that AI brings to animating the animals. Meaning that we start again from scratch but the animals look, sound and move more realistically, smoothly and beautifully.
However I didn't know that with JWE2 they used the same rigs and gave you all the DLC ones in the new base game just slightly touched up, is that true? Have I got that right?
I think I'd prefer a whole new game with everything improved. I'm not sure why I'd want to buy PZ2 if all the animals from PZ1 were almost the same. Yes there could be aviaries and aquariums but if that was all that was being added.....ehhh who am I kidding, I'd buy it. But really I'd prefer a whole new game with everything improved and to start collecting the DLC again from scratch. If each DLC were bigger with 10-12 animals that would be good.
However I didn't know that with JWE2 they used the same rigs and gave you all the DLC ones in the new base game just slightly touched up, is that true? Have I got that right?
I think I'd prefer a whole new game with everything improved. I'm not sure why I'd want to buy PZ2 if all the animals from PZ1 were almost the same. Yes there could be aviaries and aquariums but if that was all that was being added.....ehhh who am I kidding, I'd buy it. But really I'd prefer a whole new game with everything improved and to start collecting the DLC again from scratch. If each DLC were bigger with 10-12 animals that would be good.
The jump between games just isn’t what it used to be with zt1 to zt2 but if it is sure
This is the key here.
Just to clarify, I did not express what I would like but what I think will reasonably happen, specially given their financial situation. We all want as many animals as possible.
You can compare with JWE2, fair enough, but don't omit the, in my opinion, more reasonable comparison: PC2. JWE is different in so many aspects, and needless to say the DLC potential is not only dependent on Universal say on the matter but also is just simply much more limited compared to PZ.
PC2 brought water rides, pools etc. but did not bring all of PC1 material in terms of themes and rides, not even close.
With PZ(2) it's been proven that they can sell as far as 20 DLCs, if not more, so it is more than reasonable that they will follow a similar strategy. Doing otherwise would be shooting themselves on their feet. I don't think PZ2 would be more successful if it brings 200 animals from the get go instead of 140. PZ2 will be successful if they implement significant improvements to the gameplay, graphics and engine (in that order), including flying, fully aquatics, customisable exhibits, PC2 improvements, etc. even if that implies having 125 animals at the start. I would not expect PZ2 to be a more extended animal collection, it will be, eventually, after all DLCs, but is never going to be their main selling point. If our happiness with the game will be based on having a more "complete" animal collection, we will always, and I mean always, need mods.
I agree with what you said about variety, but I firmly disagree with the latter part. I'm willing to literally put my hand in the fire over the fact that people who complain today about "another ungulate" will just as easily start complaining about "another shark" or "another vulture". The idea that they'll never run out of material doesn't seem realistic to me at all, they most certainly will.
JWE has the major benefit of dealing with extinct animals, were a hardly known and obscure animal can be made cool and attractive because of the speculative nature of paleo reconstructions. Even the more lesser known animals can become crowd favorites as long as their designs are really cool and unique. Planet Zoo doesn't have that, lesser known and less popular animals are simply less popular and no matter what they try they won't be able to change that.
Wanting every animal from the original in the base game of PZ2, and fish and birds and having a long DLC lifetime is wanting your cake and eat it too.
Frankly, I do think that a potential PZ2 isn't going to come with all the animals from PZ from the get-go; and I don't think that it's the doom scenario people make it out to be. I think the major deciding factor is going to be if the base-game roster is better than the original one.
Because yes, I do think that PZ2's base game roster is going to have to be better than what PZ's was and that means that some of the animals that came in DLCs will have to be part of the new game's roster. Especially if PZ2 gets released shortly after PZ's end, then Frontier is going to have to convince the average PZ player to come back and then they have to do so by improving and the base game roster will be part of that.
Do they have to include every animal from the original game to do that? Heck no. As much as I love the Nile Lechwe, the sequel isn't going to be ruined if it doesn't have it. The sequel is going to be bad if it once again underdevelops certain areas of the world. From the start, the game should have a reasonable amount of African, Asian, North-American, South-American, Oceanic (@NZFanatic is this the right word? I feel like it isn't?), European and Polar animals so that you can build for each part of the world without being stuck to only one or two animals like what was the case with the base game.
So yes, I'd say that animals like a kangaroo, koala, jaguar, polar bear, penguin, etc. should be in the base game of the sequel. You should be able to make decent common zoo sections throughout your zoo and you shouldn't again have to wait for a few years to finally get to a point where you can do that. It's a sequel, it should be an improvement. But all of the animals from the DLCs? No, I think it's fine to wait a bit until you get them all again.
Realistically I agree this is what will happen and I’m going to have to be ok with it. But it will definitely sting having to wait. If we use PC2 as an example, it seems as if eventually everything from the first will be in the second over a period of updates. I think that is a fair compromise. PZ2 however as a game needs to be a considerable upgrade to make its player base shift to a smaller roster. I have faith it will. But again this isn’t ideal, the point of my posts I guess was to say it is POSSIBLE to bring every animal back and have a lot of dlc potential. My 2,2,2 format was one example but more likely they’ll interchange like JWE2 where one dlc is more bird focused or vice versa, the point of my posts was more to say that I think it’s doable.
Also worth noting. I just looked up the JWE2 animals, and it appears that the base game roster was only around 84 animals(correct me if I'm wrong).
PZ base game has 74, and with DLCs it up to 200. Certainly all the base game and some of the DLC animals will need touch-ups, if not significant overhauls. So assuming my numbers are correct, it takes far fewer resources to update/port over 80-ish animals than to do the same for 200.
PZ base game has 74, and with DLCs it up to 200. Certainly all the base game and some of the DLC animals will need touch-ups, if not significant overhauls. So assuming my numbers are correct, it takes far fewer resources to update/port over 80-ish animals than to do the same for 200.
for me it is I will not buy the new game until every single animal returns it would probably be the only criteria that will completely and utterly put me off the game. If I could confidently say every animal will eventually make it into dlc then sure I would get it earlier but if there is any chance that animals will not comeback I will not be supporting the game and the franchise will be eternally ruined for me.
This is why im curious to see what jwe3 does if it does the same than it make planet zoo 2 more likely to follow along.
I will say, there would be a funny irony if somehow the situation reverses for PZ2 where we have plenty of birds. Or at the least arguably a bit too much of specific bird groups.
“Ok, we haven’t got a new member of Carnivora in over a year, did we seriously need our fourth ibis species? We already have the African Sacred Ibis did we need the Madagascar Ibis???”
“Uh yeah, we needed the Madagascan Ibis. It has an important conservation story and we really needed this species of Ibis for the island of Madagascar” “But we got three ibis species this year alone! Did we seriously need this one that bad? It’s been ages since we got (insert mammal here)” “The Madagascar ibis has been one of the top bird species in the Aviary Meta Wishlist! It makes sense Frontier would pick it!” “Yeah but they also picked the other ibises over it! Even if it was near the top that’s only because it had other top birds picked up, and it rose the ranks! Besides, Frontier needs to listen to the current wishes of the community! People have been asking for the ring-tailed mongoose for awhile! Frontier seriously choose another ibis over it!”This argument would continue for another 4 pages, and unbeknownst to both users would continue again after Frontier releases its 4th stork species in only two years. Inciting another argument for another 10 pages after the Key Deer was not chosen for the Southern Tip of Florida and Florida Keys pack.
Yep. From what I saw it looks like JWE2 has 130-ish animals, so a much larger group than the first one. If all or nearly all get ported over to JWE3 then that's a point in favor of PZ2 getting most of PZ animals.
I will still admit it's far from absolute proof, as PZ still has 70 more total animals(and more if we still get some more DLCs). But it's something.
Sup pals! Do we have a Dlc 20 speculation page? 