Seamless growth will never happen in any Frontier game. This system basically requires dynamic animation system, while Frontier relies on pre-made animations.
DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)
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The protoceratops is so cute
It's a shame that we didn't get anything new for the new DLC at Summer Game Fest 
Nah it's fair I think. It's a new game, and they added sexual dimorphism and babies. That essentially means 2 new models per species in the game. I expect Planet Zoo 2 to be the same if we ever get there, and long as it allows us to get a long lived PZ2 with birds and aquatics I wouldn't mind paying for some species "again", especially if species from the early years of the game get new models (some of them aged really badly).
Gosh, this community makes me aggressive.
I want good quality, lively, believeable animals. That means a good chunk of improvement in look, animation and behaviour. That totally justifies cutting back species of the current roster for launch. At the end of the day I am playing a zoo game, I am not collecting stamps.
The audacity to expect everything back we have now for base game and then also wanting additional animals PLUS features is disrespectful to Dev work and it will hurt PZ2 and just end in us getting no zoo game anymore for 10+ years. Have fun being stuck with what we have now forever then.
That said, I step back from this community until there is the DLC to discuss and if the expectations for PZ2 do not shift to wanting high quality and lively animals instead of collecting stamps, I happily turn a blind eye to it forever. Never agreed this community is toxic until now. Toxic to quality sequels.
I want good quality, lively, believeable animals. That means a good chunk of improvement in look, animation and behaviour. That totally justifies cutting back species of the current roster for launch. At the end of the day I am playing a zoo game, I am not collecting stamps.
The audacity to expect everything back we have now for base game and then also wanting additional animals PLUS features is disrespectful to Dev work and it will hurt PZ2 and just end in us getting no zoo game anymore for 10+ years. Have fun being stuck with what we have now forever then.
That said, I step back from this community until there is the DLC to discuss and if the expectations for PZ2 do not shift to wanting high quality and lively animals instead of collecting stamps, I happily turn a blind eye to it forever. Never agreed this community is toxic until now. Toxic to quality sequels.
To be fair, most people said they do not mind if the animals would come back later (I would not even mind to pay for them if they improved the model). It is the thought that your favourite animals would be cut for good, meaning they would not come back at all, be it in base game or later in game’s lifespan. Unfortunately, we would probably never have anything like confirmation or reasuration that animal X might not be in game now, but we plan to add it later. We will just not know that. And as someone who like alot of aninamals that are not favorites in this community, for example Dingo or Arctic wolf, yes it worries me and I have a right to express that opinion.
I will not buy PZ2 if it will be missing significant number of species and we will not have confirmation that they will come back later. Which I understand will be most likely the case, but yeah, that is reality I guess.
I will not buy PZ2 if it will be missing significant number of species and we will not have confirmation that they will come back later. Which I understand will be most likely the case, but yeah, that is reality I guess.
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Why not? PZ2 would likely start with a roster of like 60/70 habitat animals and a bunch of new aviary and aquarium species. Why holdi t in comparison insteado f treating it as a new game?
Planet Zoo 2 will release with 10 birds, 10 aquatics, 15 canines, and 30 antelopes
No cats?, nah, this can not be a frontier game
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I don't really understand criticising people for what they want in the game. Some people love the game in its current state and just want some engine work, aviaries, reworks to systems like pathing, terrain, exhibits, and don't really care about species improvements for the majority of species in game... with that logic, of course it would be a shame to not have all animals in base game given they would just be ports.
For people who want to see improvements to animal designs, animations, more developmental stages from babies to juveniles etc, improved terrain and climbing interactions/animations, so on and so on, it makes sense that they'd accept a lot less animals at a lot higher quality, with the potential of more returning through DLC.
The fear of the first group of people is that (some of) their favourite animal(s) currently in PZ1 would be omitted from PZ2 with no guarantee of return. A legitimate fear that has happened in many different games from Zoo Tycoon to Pokemon. The fear of the second group is that some of the current jank would not be addressed in a sequel with no guarantee it would ever be fixed. Now, in all likelihood the second group of people will end up getting what they want, but it's totally fair to have the viewpoint of the first.
Let's not be getting mad at people for having a different mindset when all they want is to play a game they enjoy
For people who want to see improvements to animal designs, animations, more developmental stages from babies to juveniles etc, improved terrain and climbing interactions/animations, so on and so on, it makes sense that they'd accept a lot less animals at a lot higher quality, with the potential of more returning through DLC.
The fear of the first group of people is that (some of) their favourite animal(s) currently in PZ1 would be omitted from PZ2 with no guarantee of return. A legitimate fear that has happened in many different games from Zoo Tycoon to Pokemon. The fear of the second group is that some of the current jank would not be addressed in a sequel with no guarantee it would ever be fixed. Now, in all likelihood the second group of people will end up getting what they want, but it's totally fair to have the viewpoint of the first.
Let's not be getting mad at people for having a different mindset when all they want is to play a game they enjoy
Well, I prefer to stick to just one game rather than fiddle between 2 titles. And to be honest, I do not care that much about aquariums anyways.
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If it's succesful we'd probably get all animals back eventually like happened from JWE1 to JWE2
evo2 hardly counts for reselling species as it was just the 5 hybrids right at the end but yeah looks like we are going to get species resold which means I wont be buying the sequel until I know for sure everyone is coming back.
We also know nothing about plans to resell animals in evo3 so we really have nothing to work on since we have to sources that say different things and are for a different situation.
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There is alot of nuance here and ill try to frame it in how I see whats happening.
Its not entirely greed or a compulsion to collect things that's driving this sentiment though people like that do exist, its fear and uncertainty. People are scared that their favourite animals wont make it in imagine having the saiga or the nile lechwe as your favourite animal of the game you know that when things are getting cut these are probably the first to go and unlike the lion if its cut there is no guarantee it will comeback. This community is ruled by fear we always have been and the fear of losing beloved animals is what is driving people to want to clamp down and keep everything or nothing.
I also think that the way planet coaster 2 has released has not helped the narrative of a planet zoo sequel because the community as we always have are seeing it through the worst possible lens a sign that the sequel is going to be a bare minimum step up with even the idea of aquariums and aviaries together being questioned. So people are clinging to the idea that as long as the roster is the same or better than at least the bare minimum improvements are worth it.
Im sure if the sequel came out with hyper realistic animals with dynamic aging and behaviours, aviaries built in proper ways to house smaller animals and some aquaria people wouldn't care that the roster shrunk from 200+ to 100. We as a community are paranoid and afraid for the future so we assume its going to be like planet coaster 2 where a year in and it still looks like a bare minimum sequel. This is a game people are spending hundreds of dollars to invest in we want to make sure that the next game is going to be worth that next 300 dollar investment.
personally Im going to wait for any information before I cement my judgement but given frontier history and the gaming industry current trend I doubt the sequel will be good enough in my eyes to warrant not having all my favourites return but as I said this is based on the assumption that the sequel is not going to be up to expectations but I may be proven wrong only time will tell.
I think the dumpsterfire PC2 release either means were not getting PZ2 at all or PZ2 is gonna be good.
PC2 was a flop, no matter how much effort they put into fixing it (which is admirable imo, they actually hold back on releasing DLC and focused of making the game good. Certainly cant expect this from any Company in this day and age), you have alot of potential players/customers that you just permantly lost due to the rough start. So thats a damage you cannot repair and it hurts you in the long run, not even if the game is the most amazing thing ever a year later.
So there really is no way i can see Frontier risk this happening again with a potential sequel to Planet Zoo.
Ofcourse this could also mean that we just dont get a sequel because they dont have the financial means to develope it.
When JWE2 re-sold the Huayangosaurus, that came with zero model or animation changes. The same seems to be happening here with JWE3 and its re-sold species (Thantosdrakon and Concavenator). Rosters cuts do not (and should not) guarantee that the animals get better models, animations, or behaviours. And if they do, so do base game animals. If the changes to animals apply universally, how does that justify reselling some species while leaving others in the base game?
If they get added back in for free via updates, then it's whatever. But the second that money is getting charged, that's when it crosses a hard line. I've often said before that us gamers as consumers have conceded way too much ground; re-selling old species with no unique changes and subsequently greenlighting that idea with one's own money is an example of what I mean. We have every right to be critical of how developers use our money, and whether or not it actually meets expectations of a sequel.
It's important not to forget that the act of buying a video game is no different than buying food at a restaurant. Yes, the people who actually make the product are (usually) human beings with lives and passions. Does that mean we should tolerate it when bad decisions are made? If a restaurant uses stale bread for its BLT instead of fresh bread because it takes less time to put on the plate, is that something to be accepted and tolerated? If the problem is with someone higher up in the workplace chain, why are they not ensuring the best for their subservient so they can provide for us consumers in the best way possible? If CEOs are screwing over employees, then that is the root cause of the problems. Throwing our money at them isn't how you solve this problem, it's how you endorse the problem.
Again, we don't get these things for free; we have a right to be picky. Let's not undermine the role that we as consumers have in this industry and use our power for people to do better.
(this went off-tangent but I felt that this was something that needed to be said because I've been seeing way too many people casually shrugging off obvious problems and I hope this changes the mind of at least 1 person)
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