Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group

Thanks for all participants! I will now aggregate the results. Now we'll move to Birds discussion #2 - Waterbirds - groups to discuss, with links to wikipedia for ease:
  • Shorebirds (Gulls, waders, auks, puffins...)
  • Suliformes (Cormorants, gannets, frigatebirds, darters)
  • Petrels (Petrels, albatrosses, and relatives)
  • Loons
  • Oddballs: Sunbittern, Kagu, Tropicbirds
These are the groups of waterbirds remaining that we did not discuss in previous discussions. In each discussion I will put the focus on one big groups and some smaller niche groups or individual species. Results will be aggregated in the main post.

People who wish to contribute to the previous discussion can do so and I will add their input.

Essential Shorebirds:
  • Atlantic Puffin (Europe, North America)
  • Herring Gull (North America, Europe, Asia) and/or Black-Headed Gull (Europe, Asia) - Pretty sure we already have a decorative Herring Gull piece in game
  • Black-Necked Stilt (North, Central, South America)
  • Northern Lapwing (Europe, Asia)
Essential Suliformes:
  • Great Cormorant (Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania)
  • Blue-footed Booby (South America)
  • Anhinga (North, Central, South America)
Loons and Petrels are not common in zoos so skipping these as I don't think they are essential.

Oddballs:
While not essential I would love to see the Sunbittern (Central and South America) it is actually fairly common in zoos worldwide, has unique plumage, and makes a good choice for a mixed species tropical house.
 
Thanks for all participants! I will now aggregate the results. Now we'll move to Birds discussion #2 - Waterbirds - groups to discuss, with links to wikipedia for ease:
  • Shorebirds (Gulls, waders, auks, puffins...)
  • Suliformes (Cormorants, gannets, frigatebirds, darters)
  • Petrels (Petrels, albatrosses, and relatives)
  • Loons
  • Oddballs: Sunbittern, Kagu, Tropicbirds
These are the groups of waterbirds remaining that we did not discuss in previous discussions. In each discussion I will put the focus on one big groups and some smaller niche groups or individual species. Results will be aggregated in the main post.

People who wish to contribute to the previous discussion can do so and I will add their input.
Thanks for all participants! I will now aggregate the results. Now we'll move to Birds discussion #3 out of 5 - Colorful birds - this time we will have many groups, each with a more limited and famous bunch of representatives in zoos. Pick your favorite(s) from each and you can mention why you want them.

groups to discuss, with links to wikipedia for ease:
These are the groups of colorful zoo birds remaining that we did not discuss in previous discussions. In each discussion I will put the focus on one big groups and some smaller niche groups or individual species. Results will be aggregated in the main post.

People who wish to contribute to the previous discussion can do so and I will add their input.

We are nearly done. What's left is:
  • Birds of prey
  • Songbirds
 
Last edited:
Bustards

I think at least one of these birds are sneakily essential. I think something like Kori Bustard would, not only elevate shared savannah habitats, but also stand perfectly on it's own. Not to mention how much would an animal like Great Bustard diversify European and/or Eurasian steppe roster. I'm saying sneakily, because they aren't mentioned as much as similar birds like Secretary Bird and Crowned Crane, but fulfill similar role in zoos. I'd say at least one of aforementioned ones is essential, but if we got both I wouldn't think it redundant, solely because of different ranges. Some other alternatives, that I see less favorably, could be Great Indian and Australian Bustard.

Cukoos


I don't necessarily see any of them as essential, but it's not like there aren't any fun choices, especially on the topic of colorful zoo birds. Some cool picks that I would single out are: Chestnut-Breasted Malkoha (due to pretty colors and SEA range) and Giant Coua (also beautiful coloration and more Madagascar distribution is always welcome).

Turacos

For Turacos I believe, like with Macaws and Hummingbirds, that number of them is more essential than exact species. I think because they're lesser known than Macaws and similar birds, that Frontier could get away with at least two of them, but I think that even four would still be within reason. So I'm gonna go for three, middle of the road. Point of the ramble is that two is the minimum essential number for Turacos in game. Here are my picks based on physical distinctions: White Cheeked Turaco (green coloration/mohawk hairstyle), Great Blue Turaco (Blue coloration/crown hairstyle) and Rwenzori Turaco (many colors/crested hairstyle). Any other Turacos could be satisfying alternatives for any of these three, but handpicked personal choices of mine would be Ross' Turaco and Red Crested Turaco.

Trogons

Not gonna lie, not that familiar with this group of birds so I won't be able to do them justice, apart from Quetzals of course. Speaking of which, I think Resplendent Quetzal is too unique of an animal not to feature, even if it's not present in captivity that much (don't know how's the situation in CA or SA). I wouldn't call it oddbal, beceause it's an icon, but also wouldn't call it essential. Other than that, from what I can see on Wikipedia, Javan or Sumatran Trogon would be cool colorful decorations for SEA aviaries, maybe Narina Trogon for African jungle, however point is, I don't see any of Trogons as essential, but Quetzal would be a cool pick.

Piciformes

Toucans are absolutely essential for a zoo game. Let's say at least two species, because of rather similar morphology. My two picks would be an absolute classic that is Toco Toucan and maybe Keel-Billed Toucan for the sake of Central America coverage. Maybe we could add one Aracari species on top of our Toucans, but I don't feel too strongly about them. Wouldn't mind tho. Now onto woodpeckers. I don't think they're essential zoo animals, but Magellanic Woodpecker is an animal I have irrational love for irl, it has beautiful color scheme and lives at the very edge of Patagonia, so I would love to see it in game. Other than that some oddballs that could work would be European Green Woodpecker and maybe Pileated Woodpecker, not oddballs because they're rare or exotic animals, but because I never saw woodpecker exhibit it any zoo.

1200.jpeg


Coraciiformes

To start of Kookaburras can't be anything than essential. Other than them, I'm not sure if kingfishers and bee-eaters are large enough to be considered as options. But for the sake of it I'll mention Common Kingfisher and European Bee-Eater as picks, should these groups make it in game.

Columbimorphs

There are a couple of pigeons that would be cool picks for a zoo roster. And I believe all of them were mentioned extensively here on the forum, so I won't waste many words on them: Victoria Crowned Pigeon, Nicobar Pigeon and Pink-necked green pigeon. But also something like Crested Pigeon, Bleeding heart pigeon. I wouldn't mind any of them, and I'd say Crowned Pigeon is essential, and at least one of the aforementioned ones.

Idk what oo-roller is, and neither do google, so I can't contribute there 😁
 
Bustards

I think at least one of these birds are sneakily essential. I think something like Kori Bustard would, not only elevate shared savannah habitats, but also stand perfectly on it's own. Not to mention how much would an animal like Great Bustard diversify European and/or Eurasian steppe roster. I'm saying sneakily, because they aren't mentioned as much as similar birds like Secretary Bird and Crowned Crane, but fulfill similar role in zoos. I'd say at least one of aforementioned ones is essential, but if we got both I wouldn't think it redundant, solely because of different ranges. Some other alternatives, that I see less favorably, could be Great Indian and Australian Bustard.

Cukoos


I don't necessarily see any of them as essential, but it's not like there aren't any fun choices, especially on the topic of colorful zoo birds. Some cool picks that I would single out are: Chestnut-Breasted Malkoha (due to pretty colors and SEA range) and Giant Coua (also beautiful coloration and more Madagascar distribution is always welcome).

Turacos

For Turacos I believe, like with Macaws and Hummingbirds, that number of them is more essential than exact species. I think because they're lesser known than Macaws and similar birds, that Frontier could get away with at least two of them, but I think that even four would still be within reason. So I'm gonna go for three, middle of the road. Point of the ramble is that two is the minimum essential number for Turacos in game. Here are my picks based on physical distinctions: White Cheeked Turaco (green coloration/mohawk hairstyle), Great Blue Turaco (Blue coloration/crown hairstyle) and Rwenzori Turaco (many colors/crested hairstyle). Any other Turacos could be satisfying alternatives for any of these three, but handpicked personal choices of mine would be Ross' Turaco and Red Crested Turaco.

Trogons

Not gonna lie, not that familiar with this group of birds so I won't be able to do them justice, apart from Quetzals of course. Speaking of which, I think Resplendent Quetzal is too unique of an animal not to feature, even if it's not present in captivity that much (don't know how's the situation in CA or SA). I wouldn't call it oddbal, beceause it's an icon, but also wouldn't call it essential. Other than that, from what I can see on Wikipedia, Javan or Sumatran Trogon would be cool colorful decorations for SEA aviaries, maybe Narina Trogon for African jungle, however point is, I don't see any of Trogons as essential, but Quetzal would be a cool pick.

Piciformes

Toucans are absolutely essential for a zoo game. Let's say at least two species, because of rather similar morphology. My two picks would be an absolute classic that is Toco Toucan and maybe Keel-Billed Toucan for the sake of Central America coverage. Maybe we could add one Aracari species on top of our Toucans, but I don't feel too strongly about them. Wouldn't mind tho. Now onto woodpeckers. I don't think they're essential zoo animals, but Magellanic Woodpecker is an animal I have irrational love for irl, it has beautiful color scheme and lives at the very edge of Patagonia, so I would love to see it in game. Other than that some oddballs that could work would be European Green Woodpecker and maybe Pileated Woodpecker, not oddballs because they're rare or exotic animals, but because I never saw woodpecker exhibit it any zoo.

View attachment 432281

Coraciiformes

To start of Kookaburras can't be anything than essential. Other than them, I'm not sure if kingfishers and bee-eaters are large enough to be considered as options. But for the sake of it I'll mention Common Kingfisher and European Bee-Eater as picks, should these groups make it in game.

Columbimorphs

There are a couple of pigeons that would be cool picks for a zoo roster. And I believe all of them were mentioned extensively here on the forum, so I won't waste many words on them: Victoria Crowned Pigeon, Nicobar Pigeon and Pink-necked green pigeon. But also something like Crested Pigeon, Bleeding heart pigeon. I wouldn't mind any of them, and I'd say Crowned Pigeon is essential, and at least one of the aforementioned ones.

Idk what oo-roller is, and neither do google, so I can't contribute there 😁
Amazing thanks! The cucoo-roller is a weird bird in its own group. Writing its proper spelling is removed from the forums as a slur
 
Ok, so honestly I haven't seen many of these.
I've seen gulls in zoos. Puffins are extremely charismatic and wild be the perfect oddball for a bird roster.

Actually, I'm just gonna say that none of these are particularly essential to a zoo game, for birds we have way more priorities. However, I would be lying if I didn't say that some of these wouldn't be big hits, particularly the puffin
Not to say your wrong, but like most discussions here its very much based on where you live.
From my research on zootierliste yesterday i can confidently say that shorebird aviarys are extremly common and atleast a collection of common birds to fill them with is nessecary and essential, but they just are not really present in north america even if abundant in europe and oceania. I wouldnt be surprised if there were more shorebird aviarys in germany then in the whole of the americas. From a european perspective they are everywhere, from an american a niche gimmick.
 
Not to say your wrong, but like most discussions here its very much based on where you live.
From my research on zootierliste yesterday i can confidently say that shorebird aviarys are extremly common and atleast a collection of common birds to fill them with is nessecary and essential, but they just are not really present in north america even if abundant in europe and oceania. I wouldnt be surprised if there were more shorebird aviarys in germany then in the whole of the americas. From a european perspective they are everywhere, from an american a niche gimmick.
I'm not against having them, but the same could be said about North American species, as here we tend to focus on it while other places don't. The argument works in both favors.
But yes, for a North American zoo, it's not super common. I've seen them, but not often
 
Thanks for all participants! I will now aggregate the results. Now we'll move to Birds discussion #3 out of 5 - Colorful birds - this time we will have many groups, each with a more limited and famous bunch of representatives in zoos. Pick your favorite(s) from each and you can mention why you want them.

groups to discuss, with links to wikipedia for ease:
These are the groups of colorful zoo birds remaining that we did not discuss in previous discussions. In each discussion I will put the focus on one big groups and some smaller niche groups or individual species. Results will be aggregated in the main post.

People who wish to contribute to the previous discussion can do so and I will add their input.

We are nearly done. What's left is:
  • Birds of prey
  • Songbirds
I'm bored so I'll do my own wishes in these groups while we wait for the announcement
 
Bustards: I think the Kori Bustard is a highly desirable species, but it's another one that I'd want as a traditional habitat species as that's the only context I ever see them in. They're a very striking bird, and would add something to African sections that nothing else quite could.

Cukcoos: Weak shoutout to the Guira Cukcoo as a flying example that I've seen here and there, but it's far from essential. Much more important, however, is another species that could function just fine as a traditional habitat species, and one that I imagine many won't realize falls under the cukcoo umbrella: the iconic Greater Roadrunner. It's a very interesting little species, and would make for some fascinating mixed exhibits. Fort Worth Zoo has them with Black-Tailed Prairie Dogs, for example, and I know multiple zoos that keep them with Burrowing Owls. And I hate to use media to prop up a species, but we do have the Coyote now.....

Turacos: At minimum one, at maximum two. Turacos are interesting-looking and colorful birds, but there's no need to go overboard like there is with parrots or passerines. They aren't quite as omnipresent, and the majority of the zoos that I've been to with turacos only keep one species. Still, it's nice to have options, especially when they're this colorful. I'd say that the first should definitely be the Red-Crested Turaco, with the possible second being either the Violet Turaco or Lady Ross's Turaco for some nice colorful juxtaposition.

Trogons: Oh do I love trogons. And in saying that, I'm realizing I've really messed something up with the life list I keep of every animal I see - I don't have a section for trogons, and they don't seem to have gotten merged in somewhere else either! I know I've seen trogons (perhaps exclusively at Dallas World Aquarium), I've got pictures! My best guess is that I accidentally deleted them when I was splitting my massive parrot list onto its own sheet a few weeks ago? Well that's great, guess I'll have to try and untangle that one somehow. Anyway, as I was going to say, I love trogons, but they're ally rare in zoos, and most of them aren't well known or unique enough to justify as an oddball pick. I would get it if Frontier wanted to include a quetzal they could, but it's far from necessary.

Piciformes: Woodpeckers have the same problem as hummingbirds. Super iconic, everyone knows what they are and would recognize them, but their presence in zoos is nearly negligible. Not worth it, in my opinion, especially considering how much more worth it their cousins the toucans are. The Toco Toucan is, like, a top 5 aviary bird. Top 3? It is the very definition of essential. It makes things that I may have previously said were sort of essential, like the Inca Tern, look downright disposable. I shouldn't have to delineate why that one's so important. I do think it would be nice to have something to contrast against the "default" toucan, however. I'm a big fan of the way Channel-Billed Toucans look, but they aren't the most common in zoos. Perhaps the better move would be something like the Black-Necked Aracari, for a more uniquely striking appearance. As with turacos, I don't think that having two toucans is a must, but I do think it would be a bit nicer than two turacos. And I know there are other piciformes besides woodpeckers and toucans, but frankly, they aren't worth mention.

Coraciiformes: Laughing Kookaburra is an absolutely indisputable must. It's at most a half-step below the Toco Toucan in terms of essentiality. They're both just really striking birds who are iconic and present both within and outside of zoos. Absolute no-brainer. I would also really like to see the Guam Kingfisher - it's extinct in the wild, but has a decent presence in zoos! Massive points for that, as well as for its striking orange and blue/green coloration. I'd consider both the Guam Kingfisher and Kookaburra truly essential. Bringing up a distant third would be the Blue-Bellied Roller. It's a perfectly fine choice, common in zoos and has a very intense blue belly. The only reason I'm less enthusiastic about it is because I'm so much more enthusiastic about the other two.

Columbiformes: This is going to be kind of a weird answer but... very much yes, but also I have next to no preference here. Well, okay, first both the Victoria Crowned Pigeon and Nicobar Pigeon are essential. No surprise here, they're both very visually striking birds and are common in zoos. But beyond that? idk, a pigeon's a pigeon, a dove's a dove, a dove's a pigeon, a pigeon's a dove. We need at least a handful, proportionate to the other birds of course, but beyond those two, I really don't care too much on the specifics. I guess if I were to pick a few to half-heartedly shout out, it would be: a. the Pied Imperial Pigeon, pretty run-of-the-mill but perhaps for that reason it's the species I've seen the most often; b. the African Green Pigeon because hey it's a green pigeon; and c. the Luzon Bleeding Heart Dove (or any bleeding heart, really) for that really intensely red chest.

Cukcoo Roller: See the Hoatzin except remove the parts about it being interesting or particularly unique.
 
Thanks for all participants! I will now aggregate the results. Now we'll move to Birds discussion #3 out of 5 - Colorful birds - this time we will have many groups, each with a more limited and famous bunch of representatives in zoos. Pick your favorite(s) from each and you can mention why you want them.

groups to discuss, with links to wikipedia for ease:
These are the groups of colorful zoo birds remaining that we did not discuss in previous discussions. In each discussion I will put the focus on one big groups and some smaller niche groups or individual species. Results will be aggregated in the main post.

People who wish to contribute to the previous discussion can do so and I will add their input.

We are nearly done. What's left is:
  • Birds of prey
  • Songbirds
Thoughts on each clade:
  • Piciformes:
    • Toucans:
      • Toco Toucan: This is the most famous toucan, and it is the most common in zoos.
      • Keel-Billed Toucan: This colorful and iconic toucan is especially common in NA zoos. I would actually like it more than the toco.
      • Channel Billed Toucan: Contrasts with the other two and is next most common in zoos, I think
      • Toucanets and Aracaris: A couple of these would be great. A few species have some zoo presence.
    • Woodpeckers:
      • Pileated Woodpecker: I see this as the woodpecker, but I'm not sure they are needed in PZ.
    • Barbets: They seem colorful and nice, but I don't need them in PZ.
  • Coraciiformes:
    • Kingfishers:
      • Laughing Kookaburra: This bird is famous for its call and very common in zoos. It is also a favorite of many players.
      • Others: They are pretty and interesting, but I don't see any standouts that are common in zoos. I would like more, but I don't see them as necessary.
    • Motmots:
      • Turquoise-browed motmot: It is the national bird of El Salvador and Nicaragua.
    • Bee Eaters: I don't consider them necessary, but they are beautiful and would be very nice to have. I'd like any or all of these if Frontier decides to add them: European, rainbow, carmine bee-eater, blue-throated, white-fronted, and blue-crowned bee-eater
    • Rollers: They are pretty, so I might like them, too. I don't think they're necessary
    • Todies: Not necessary
  • Columbimorphs:
    • Doves and Pigeons:
      • Victoria Crowned Pigeon: Iconic bird that is nice in zoos. I think it has a stronger chance in a WE than a habitat
      • Nicobar Pigeon: I've also seen these in several zoos. They would be cool, too.
      • Beautiful and Pink-Headed Fruit Doves: Fruit doves are pretty and have some zoo presence.
      • Common Rock Pigeon: Iconic pigeon
      • Mourning Dove: If they go crazy and start adding passarines and stuff, this local option for a quail-dove has a lovely call
      • Diamond, Bleeding Heart, and Crested Dove: These are somewhat common in zoos and would be nice.
    • Cukoos:
      • Greater Roadrunner: An icon from Looney Tunes, this one would be a nice option for a North American endemic bird.
      • Other cukoos: There are some nice-looking ones, but they don't seem necessary
    • Mesites and Sandgrouses: Not horrible, but kind of random and unnecessary
  • Turacos:
    • Great blue turaco: a beautiful and interesting bird that I've seen a couple of times. It would be a great oddball for Africa like the Hoatzin for South America.
    • Red-crested turaco and Purple-crested turaco: national birds of countries and somewhat common in zoos.
  • Trogons:
    • Resplendent Quetzal: This pretty bird has been suggested a few times. I like it, but I like the hoatzin better as an oddball pick. Neither is common in zoos.
  • Bustard: The Kori bustard is the heaviest flying bird, so it would be interesting as a habitat animal. I don't think it's necessary though.
  • Cukoo-Roller: I don't care about this bird.
 
Thanks for all participants! I will now aggregate the results. Now we'll move to Birds discussion #3 out of 5 - Colorful birds - this time we will have many groups, each with a more limited and famous bunch of representatives in zoos. Pick your favorite(s) from each and you can mention why you want them.

groups to discuss, with links to wikipedia for ease:
These are the groups of colorful zoo birds remaining that we did not discuss in previous discussions. In each discussion I will put the focus on one big groups and some smaller niche groups or individual species. Results will be aggregated in the main post.

People who wish to contribute to the previous discussion can do so and I will add their input.

We are nearly done. What's left is:
  • Birds of prey
  • Songbirds
Bustards... yeah, I dunno much about them. They seem like lovely birds and would be amazing to have, though

While I havent seen many cukoos, I have seen roadrunners in zoos. Having a roadrunner would add quite a lot to North American deserts (I was secretly hoping for it in the Americas pack). They aren't particularly essential, but nonetheless would be a key animal, especially if the roster is large and diverse

Turacos are beautiful birds, from what I've seen. I'm particularly fond of the funny go-away bird, which would be a blast to have. I can picture hearing their sounds in-game. They'd be to Africa what parrots are to South America

Are we including the quetzal in the trogons? If so, that's definitely a bird that, while not particularly well known or essential, would be a big hit, due to its unique look and intense colors

Ok, so the Piciformes:
  • I haven't seen many Woodpeckers in captivity, but I know I've seen a few. Woodpeckers are such an odd bird, but they are iconic due to their media status (old cartoons, especially, ike Woody Woodpecker). I woildnt say they're particularly essential, but like the roadrunner they would ads a lot
  • Toucans, on the other hand, are such a tropical rainforest icon. It can really go between macaws and the toucan to represent the Central/South American jungles. To not add them would be like the Arctic without the polar bear
  • Other beautiful birds are the barbets, which can be found in South America, Africa, and Asia. They would really flesh out jungle aviaries
Now the Coraciiformes:
  • The kookaburra is THE Australian bird. It's not only famous worldwide, but such an iconic animal due to its unique "laughter." For Australia, this is definitely an important bird to have
  • Other kingfishers would be nice to have, as well. They are apart of human culture in various parts of the world, and to showcase their behavior in-game would really add to the game
  • Motmots. Not a very common name, but I have seen them. Not sure if they all do, but some at least are known to burrow and build nests underground. Back at the Houston Zoo, there's a motmot that dug from 1 end of the walkthroigh aviary all the way to the other side. The aviary was specifically built to prevent him from digging out. Anyway, back to the subject, the motmot would add a unique, burrowing behavior not commonly associated with birds. While not particularly important, it could add a whole new set of ways to build its habitat, and thus would be important for spicing up the game
And now the Columbimorphs:

Pigeons and doves are usually considered an annoying city animal. But ignoring the city/feral pigeon, let's take a look at some of their more wild brethren:
  • The Nicobar pigeon, a beautiful green bird that's considered the dodo's closest relative today
  • The bleeding heart dove looks bland, until you notice the striking red patch on its chest
  • The wild rock dove is actually a beautiful bird, and the domestic variety brings in several other colors, such as brown, white, and spotted
  • The Victoria crowned pigeon is such a stunning bird and is pretty common in captivity, an essential animal for Asia
  • The fruit dove has beautiful colorarion. It looks like a pigeon dressing up as a lovebird
So, pigeons and doves are quite a diverse group, in colors and looks. There are several species to choose from. Of all of them, the crowned pigeon is perhaps the most important, but that doesn't mean the rest shouldn't make it in the game at some point or another

And finally, the cucoo-roller... I got nothing, I never heard of this before
 
Bustards - A really lovely group of birds, at least one of which I would hope could be included. While I have never seen one to my knowledge (although my local zoo did keep at least one until I was six years old), the kori bustard is my favourite option. A really stunning bird that would add a lot to African sections, able to live in mixed paddocks, walk-through enclosures, free-roaming in zoo grounds and also big and impressive enough to be able to be their own standalone display. I have seen the great bustard before in captivity, and they would be a close second place.

1750250851430.png


Cukoos - Although not the prettiest bird, the Guira cukoo could be worth adding. The crested coua is another good choice, a Madagascan species that is especially common in American zoos. My other two options are mostly ground-dwelling birds - perhaps the most-needed species of cukoo is the greater roadrunner, native to the American desert. Very similar in form and behaviour, but from the jungles of Indochina and no longer kept in captivity (although it was kept and bred in the past) is the coral-billed ground cukoo. In short, the roadrunner is necessary, with the other three being nice to have.

1750251203665.png


Turacos - I think two species of turaco are needed, and fortunately there are two really good options that differ strongly from each other and are widespread in captivity. The white-cheeked turaco is probably the most commonly-kept species in zoos, but has a fairly limited wild range from the mountain forests of Ethiopia. By contrast, the great blue turaco is rather more difficult to keep and breed and is subsequently rarer (most common in North American zoos), but is a much larger bird that occupies most of the Central and West African tropical rainforest.

1750251153226.png


Trogons - I struggle to say that trogons are absolutely necessary, although there are three that would be nice to have. The only species I have seen in captivity is the collared trogon from South America, and they are becoming increasingly common in European zoos. A couple of places also have the Cuban trogon, which would add a lovely Caribbean representative to the game. Finally, the resplendent quetzal is now being kept and bred successfully in zoos in Central America (I believe the Dallas World Aquarium had them until fairly recently) and they are such an important bird in Central American culture I would consider including them as well.

Piciformes - One of my favourite groups of birds, so obviously I think there are going to be a fair few essential species here. Firstly, the toucans. For me personally, the archetypal toucan is the white-throated toucan - it combines the black-and-white plumage with a multicoloured beak (maybe I consider it archetypal because a lot of the Dorling Kindersley books I had as a child used pictures of this species to represent the toucans). I would also love the toco toucan, the keel-billed toucan and the green aracari, all of which add a little something extra. For woodpeckers, I would struggle to say that they are essential, but I would absolutely adore the yellow-fronted woodpecker, which is a highly sociable South American rainforest species that has been kept and bred fairly often in captivity in the past. Finally, as an additional bird to go alongside the turacos in an African jungle display I would pick the bearded barbet, which again seems to be fairly widespread in zoos. If push came to shove, I would choose just the white-throated toucan and bearded barbet.

1750251798570.png


Coraciiformes - Lots more potential options here. The most obvious essential species is the laughing kookaburra, probably among the most recognisable and widely-kept of Australia's birds. The other kingfisher I would consider important is the Guam kingfisher, for its conservation history as an extinct in the wild species that is now being reintroduced from zoo-bred stock. For the bee-eaters, I would choose the European bee-eater, which is the most widely-kept species here in European zoos and has a very wide natural range in the wild. The lilac-breasted roller is another commonly-kept species in captivity, this time from the plains of Africa and I think is one of the most charismatic of Africa's birds, so should definitely get some consideration. To add another South American rainforest species, I would choose the Amazonian motmot (it is likely that most of the unidentified blue-crowned motmots in captivity are of this species) - they are not that uncommonly kept and should warrant a spot. Finally, although not at all essential, courtesy of not being kept in captivity any more, I would love to see the pitta-like ground-roller, a beautifully coloured ground-living bird from Madagascar. This species has been kept and bred successfully, with the last individual in captivity dying last year at Zurich Zoo. Personally, I would say the kookaburra and roller are essential, with the others being very nice to have in addition.

1750251778560.png


Columbimorphs - Pigeons and doves are a surprisingly big group of birds, with some beautiful species - I would personally hope for at least four or five at least. The most important, in my opinion, is the Victoria crowned pigeon. Big, beautiful and able to work in all sorts of different displays, they are probably a top ten bird species for me personally. Mainland Australia would be represented by the rather pretty crested pigeon, which seems to be pretty common in captivity. For Southeast Asia, I would choose the pink-headed fruit-dove - I saw one recently at London Zoo for the first time, and they are stunning. I would choose the European turtle dove to represent Africa and western Eurasia; together with the bee-eater and maybe a few other species, you could make a lovely aviary for intercontinental migratory birds in either a European or African zone. Finally, the Endangered blue-headed quail-dove is a species that has really taken off in popularity in European zoos in recent years (which is surprising, as they are almost flightless and certainly fly less than the crowned pigeons do); these would be my choice for a Caribbean island bird species.

1750252618905.png


Cukoo-roller - While it has been kept until fairly recently (Walsrode in Germany had them until 2021), I don't think this species is at all necessary.
 
Ok so feel free to contribute to the ongoing bird analysis discussions, but we must also discuss the new pack. We've got:

  • Musteloids (honey badger)
  • Antelopes (Nilgai, Blackbuck)
  • Elephants (Bornean elephant sbsp.)
  • Canines (raccoon dog)
  • Deer (Pere david's deer)
  • Old-world monkeys (Lion tailed macaque)
How we doing with those groups?
 
Ok so feel free to contribute to the ongoing bird analysis discussions, but we must also discuss the new pack. We've got:

  • Musteloids (honey badger)
  • Antelopes (Nilgai, Blackbuck)
  • Elephants (Bornean elephant sbsp.)
  • Canines (raccoon dog)
  • Deer (Pere david's deer)
  • Old-world monkeys (Lion tailed macaque)
How we doing with those groups?
Elephants, yeah we're more than ok.

In this list, I'd say that canines are good, no need for any more. Heck, I can live without the gray fox (although I wouldn't be mad if we get it)

Deer are overall good. I still think a more common deer for North America could be useful
Definitely happy with the macaque, but I'd love a langur. Then I'd feel satisfied with Old Worls monkeys
Antelopes are pretty good. I can't truly think of any other essential antelopes
And overall, the bigger musteloids are satisfied. A sea otter and maybe a more temperate river otter wouldn't be bad. And let's not forget weasels
 
Ok so feel free to contribute to the ongoing bird analysis discussions, but we must also discuss the new pack. We've got:

  • Musteloids (honey badger)
  • Antelopes (Nilgai, Blackbuck)
  • Elephants (Bornean elephant sbsp.)
  • Canines (raccoon dog)
  • Deer (Pere david's deer)
  • Old-world monkeys (Lion tailed macaque)
How we doing with those groups?
Musteloids - A marten (see yellow-throated marten) would be excellent, as would a more solitary temperate otter and a smaller mustelid (a weasel, mink, polecat or ferret-type animal).
Antelopes - I'm probably good now, save for a species of duiker.
Elephants - I think we have one too many of them now.
Canines - Don't think I need any more dogs now.
Deer - Still need a single tropical deer species, in my opinion.
Old World monkeys - Probably need two or three more, preferably a guenon, a colobus and a more commonly-kept Asian colobine.
 
Musteloids: There's a handful that I wouldn't mind, most notably the North American River Otter, but also the Sea Otter, Black-Footed Ferret, American Badger, or a marten. I think the gap between how important the honey badger was and the rest of them is pretty pronounced, though, so I wouldn't call any of them essential at this point (although I do really want the NARO)

Antelopes: Well, those were by far the two most crucial omissions. I could sleep easily now if we don't get any more, but I'd also be lying if I said I weren't still really gunning for both the Greater Kudu and Common Eland, or perhaps a duiker.

Elephants: Um, haha, this is pretty embarrassing, but... we were already perfect on elephants! On day 1! What a goofy mistake for Frontier to have made, giving us a third one. Our need for a hyrax holds strong, however.

Canids: Okay, perhaps now I can drop the act and admit that we really do have all the genuinely more-or-less-objectively essential ones, and have ever since the Grasslands Animal Pack. That's not to say I'm not ecstatic to have gotten both the Coyote and Bush Dog (or especially the Tanuki, obviously), because I seriously love carnivorans so much, and canids especially, I just think they're very generously represented. But I certainly wouldn't say no to more. I think the Bat-Eared Fox should realistically be next in line, and then after that the Gray Fox and Black-Backed Jackal in some order, and finally the Red Wolf as the last canid I wouldn't mind seeing. Unless... unless Frontier wants to truly spoil me and give us the Common Raccoon Dog too.... Hahaha, could you imagine.........

Deer: If support ended here I wouldn't be terribly upset, but I'm not going to stop rooting for the White-Tailed Deer. Both North American deer are pretty "specialized", and having a mundane one would go a long way for me. I suppose the Elk would also work, somewhat, but the White-Tailed Deer is more visually distinct (and my local deer). Muntjacs also continue to be a big missed opportunity, as well. Those are the last two I'd care to see, though.

Old World Monkeys: Asia is probably good now, but I wouldn't say no if a langur species cropping up at some point. Africa still needs a bit of work, though. At minimum, we need a colobus and (at least) one guenon. No real species preference beyond that. Still, between the Hamadryas Baboon and Lion-Tailed Macaque, we're in a much better position than we were 9 months ago. New World still has much further to go, however.
 
Ok so feel free to contribute to the ongoing bird analysis discussions, but we must also discuss the new pack. We've got:

  • Musteloids (honey badger)
  • Antelopes (Nilgai, Blackbuck)
  • Elephants (Bornean elephant sbsp.)
  • Canines (raccoon dog)
  • Deer (Pere david's deer)
  • Old-world monkeys (Lion tailed macaque)
How we doing with those groups?
  • Musteloids: A cold weather otter is almost essential such as Sea Otter, I'd hope for any sort of Marten (yellow-throated is my fave), maybe a weasel/Ferret (Black-footed has a cool conservation story)
  • Antelopes: The only needed one is Middle Eastern (such as an Arabian Oryx)
  • Elephants: I don't need any more haha
  • Canines: I'm pretty happy with this group which is a ton coming from a dog lover. I'd hope for another safari type canine but IMO the aardwolf would fill that niche without adding a true canine.
  • Deer: I'm hoping for at least one New World typical deer! Elk for the win! Southern Pudu would be cool too.
  • Old World Monkeys: Now we need an African typical one such as Vervet...
Edit to add: Muntjac or any small fanged deer.
 
Ok so feel free to contribute to the ongoing bird analysis discussions, but we must also discuss the new pack. We've got:

  • Musteloids (honey badger)
  • Antelopes (Nilgai, Blackbuck)
  • Elephants (Bornean elephant sbsp.)
  • Canines (raccoon dog)
  • Deer (Pere david's deer)
  • Old-world monkeys (Lion tailed macaque)
How we doing with those groups?
-Musteloids: Coati is still very much missing. And imo we really should also get an arboreal mustelid and ideally also a ferret/polecat.
-Antelopes: Im done here, there can be arguments made for stuff like elands and stuff but we have so many of them now that i dont need any more. Especially since we got the main missing types: a small one, a really big one and an indian one now covered between zookeeper and this one
-Elephants: Were already complete before, now were at 150% completeness
-Canines: Also complete, bush- and raccoondog were the last 2 i felt that offered something new.
-Deer: Muntjac is the "big" missing one and a american one would be neat
-Old world monkeys: Asia is now okay, would like more but not a priority. Africa really needs a guereza or similar tho
 
Elephants, yeah we're more than ok.

In this list, I'd say that canines are good, no need for any more. Heck, I can live without the gray fox (although I wouldn't be mad if we get it)

Deer are overall good. I still think a more common deer for North America could be useful
Definitely happy with the macaque, but I'd love a langur. Then I'd feel satisfied with Old Worls monkeys
Antelopes are pretty good. I can't truly think of any other essential antelopes
And overall, the bigger musteloids are satisfied. A sea otter and maybe a more temperate river otter wouldn't be bad. And let's not forget weasels
Musteloids - A marten (see yellow-throated marten) would be excellent, as would a more solitary temperate otter and a smaller mustelid (a weasel, mink, polecat or ferret-type animal).
Antelopes - I'm probably good now, save for a species of duiker.
Elephants - I think we have one too many of them now.
Canines - Don't think I need any more dogs now.
Deer - Still need a single tropical deer species, in my opinion.
Old World monkeys - Probably need two or three more, preferably a guenon, a colobus and a more commonly-kept Asian colobine.
Musteloids: There's a handful that I wouldn't mind, most notably the North American River Otter, but also the Sea Otter, Black-Footed Ferret, American Badger, or a marten. I think the gap between how important the honey badger was and the rest of them is pretty pronounced, though, so I wouldn't call any of them essential at this point (although I do really want the NARO)

Antelopes: Well, those were by far the two most crucial omissions. I could sleep easily now if we don't get any more, but I'd also be lying if I said I weren't still really gunning for both the Greater Kudu and Common Eland, or perhaps a duiker.

Elephants: Um, haha, this is pretty embarrassing, but... we were already perfect on elephants! On day 1! What a goofy mistake for Frontier to have made, giving us a third one. Our need for a hyrax holds strong, however.

Canids: Okay, perhaps now I can drop the act and admit that we really do have all the genuinely more-or-less-objectively essential ones, and have ever since the Grasslands Animal Pack. That's not to say I'm not ecstatic to have gotten both the Coyote and Bush Dog (or especially the Tanuki, obviously), because I seriously love carnivorans so much, and canids especially, I just think they're very generously represented. But I certainly wouldn't say no to more. I think the Bat-Eared Fox should realistically be next in line, and then after that the Gray Fox and Black-Backed Jackal in some order, and finally the Red Wolf as the last canid I wouldn't mind seeing. Unless... unless Frontier wants to truly spoil me and give us the Common Raccoon Dog too.... Hahaha, could you imagine.........

Deer: If support ended here I wouldn't be terribly upset, but I'm not going to stop rooting for the White-Tailed Deer. Both North American deer are pretty "specialized", and having a mundane one would go a long way for me. I suppose the Elk would also work, somewhat, but the White-Tailed Deer is more visually distinct (and my local deer). Muntjacs also continue to be a big missed opportunity, as well. Those are the last two I'd care to see, though.

Old World Monkeys: Asia is probably good now, but I wouldn't say no if a langur species cropping up at some point. Africa still needs a bit of work, though. At minimum, we need a colobus and (at least) one guenon. No real species preference beyond that. Still, between the Hamadryas Baboon and Lion-Tailed Macaque, we're in a much better position than we were 9 months ago. New World still has much further to go, however.
  • Musteloids: A cold weather otter is almost essential such as Sea Otter, I'd hope for any sort of Marten (yellow-throated is my fave), maybe a weasel/Ferret (Black-footed has a cool conservation story)
  • Antelopes: The only needed one is Middle Eastern (such as an Arabian Oryx)
  • Elephants: I don't need any more haha
  • Canines: I'm pretty happy with this group which is a ton coming from a dog lover. I'd hope for another safari type canine but IMO the aardwolf would fill that niche without adding a true canine.
  • Deer: I'm hoping for at least one New World typical deer! Elk for the win! Southern Pudu would be cool too.
  • Old World Monkeys: Now we need an African typical one such as Vervet...
Edit to add: Muntjac or any small fanged deer.


y'all forot the coati is a musteloid
 
Back
Top Bottom