Which type of T3, orbital or surface port?
Constructing a specific Economy
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Both actually, I also forgot to mention I already factored in all of the boosts and colony overrides
Well they'll be different... the orbital station will get a boost from the planetary port based on the host body's economic overrides. But based on the numbers given you're likely going to miss out on liquid oxygen, surface stabilisers and semiconductors. You're definitely going to miss out on insulating membranes and tritium.
Greetings, commanders. I've got another question. I'm planning to build another asteroid base in my system. Is it possible to build it on orbit of a moon without rings? The moon has geologicals and volcanism, even though it's a rocky one. I might even put 1 extraction settlement + 1 extraction hub on the surface. Thus, I could avoid idustrial economy but only if it's possible to place an asteroid base there.
I read somewhere (probably Cmdr Mechan's manual) that only asteroid belts and rings are valid locations for asteroid bases, but when I'm looking through architect view and try to place it there the only thing that is stopping me is lack of CPs.
I read somewhere (probably Cmdr Mechan's manual) that only asteroid belts and rings are valid locations for asteroid bases, but when I'm looking through architect view and try to place it there the only thing that is stopping me is lack of CPs.
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Only rings and asteroid belts. Once you get the CP it'll just change the warning to invalid location as the validation isn't done until right at the end.
Just out of curiosity has anyone tried producing a negative economy. for example a Coriolis orbiting an icy world with say two weak agriculture links would theoretically have -.3 agriculture economy. Or do negatives not exist I'm curious if that would increase demand the further negative it went.
The information I have is that a link cannot go below .1 in strength.
A different question (but related to economy building). Say I have a terraformable high metal content world with biologicals, but also geological signals, and it is tidally locked. I was going to build agriculture on it, but I’m not sure now if it makes as much sense now seeing the tidal lock factor that would at best be cancelled out by bios.
And then still having to contend with the obnoxious forcing of planet influence until (if) we ever are able to force a bypass through specialization or choose to turn it off… especially with the super-boosted Extraction… well, I am not sure if I’d be able to compensate even when 7 planetary building slots are present. Plus I haven’t seen any indication whether the terraformable status of the planet boosting agri works yet (or whether the wording was sneakily removed by Frontier in-game and nobody noticed).
Many people have accidentally made them. Demand tends to be higher than production so mixing the major economies can remove most if not all the goods from the markets.
Weak links aren't affected by boosts/reductions at all.
I built a commercial outpost in the orbit of a Water World (with volcanism and a ring) and added 2 Space Farms (T1). A system with Pristine Reserves. According to my calculations, the economies at the station should be: Tourism = 1.40, Extraction = 1.80, Agricultural = 2.20. But Inara shows that I have Agricultural = 3.00, the rest match the calculations.
I would like to understand what I missed before designing the system further.
Each Space Farm (T1) gives 0.80 instead 0.40? Is Inara wrong? I don't know what else to assume.
I would like to understand what I missed before designing the system further.
Each Space Farm (T1) gives 0.80 instead 0.40? Is Inara wrong? I don't know what else to assume.
Water worlds boost agriculture.
Ag override from planet: 1.0 + 0.4 boost = 1.4
Ag from farms = 2 x (0.4 + 0.4 boost) = 1.6
Total Ag: 3.0
Ag override from planet: 1.0 + 0.4 boost = 1.4
Ag from farms = 2 x (0.4 + 0.4 boost) = 1.6
Total Ag: 3.0
Why WW boosts Space Farms?
I don't see such information in list of boosts, except that WW boosts itself, but it was taken into account by me.
- Boosts:
- If the Body has Organics (also known as Biologicals) (+0.40) for High Tech, Tourism and Agriculture - the type of Organics doesn't matter
- If the Body has Geologicals (+0.40) for High Tech and Tourism - the type of Geologicals doesn't matter
- If the Body is Terraformable (+0.40) for Agriculture
- If the Body has Volcanism (+0.40) for Extraction - the type of Volcanism doesn't matter
- If the Body is an Earth Like World (+0.40) for High Tech, Tourism and Agriculture
- If the Body is a Water World (+0.40) for Tourism and Agriculture
- If the Body is an Ammonia World (+0.40) for High Tech and Tourism
Boosts apply to any and all strong links which are present on a body, which seems to include planetary influence as well. But so, building a space farm around a water world will see a link it creates to an orbital station boosted.
Read the in-game codex (and ignore the bit about terraformables because it's a lie).
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Does the value of these coefficients matter? If we theoretically have only one economy, will the value of 0.10 influences in a different way than 5.00? The amount of supplies, the replenishment rate, anything?
More is more. Higher demand higher supply. 1 is 100% of a standard market for that population. 2 is 200%. for most cases the difference between 1 and 5 is academic you can't use all the resources if you tried.
I've been investigating planetary ports a bit. Typed ones seem to start with 0.50 base economy of their type, which was mildly surprising.
Then I studied the following system a bit more and became partially confounded.
The Ocellus makes sense: 1.00 Military from the star, 3 weak Military links, 3 weak High Tech links, 1 weak Extraction link, 1 weak Refinery link. Nothing from its Comms station.
Planet 1 makes sense: A HiT Planetary Outpost starts with 0.50 HiT, gets 0.80 from its Medical installation, gets 2 weak HiT links (the third is strong instead) and so on.
Planet 2 makes sense: A HiT Planetary Outpost starts with 0.50 HiT and gets every weak link. Its Coriolis starts with 1.40 Ref+Ind from rocky-ice, then 0.40 High Tech from its Planetary Outpost, then every weak link. Giving it 0.40+0.15 HiT.
(The Planetary Outpost and Coriolis above it both receive all the weak links though! I thought only the primary port of a body would.)
Planet 3 is weird: A regular Planetary Outpost on an Ice world with biologicals. That starts it with 1.40 Ind, 1.00 Agr, 1.00 Terraforming... right? Then it gets the expected 1.20 Refinery from its Refinery hub and 0.40+0.05+0.05 Military from a medium military settlement plus two weak links.
Then 0.90 High Tech, when it should only have 3 weak links. I triple checked that its installation is a Comms Installation. I don't get it.
Planet 4 makes sense: A High Tech settlement (large) gives 0.80 HiT to its orbital Commercial Outpost, and weak links elsewhere. The Commercial Outpost's economies add up easy, with 1.40 Industrial from the Icy world.
Planet 5 is VERY weird. Firstly, the HiT Planetary Outpost is like Planet 2's except it's missing one Mil weak link- the one from its own Military Orbital Outpost. Yet it still has 0.50+0.15 HiT, as if the "Scientific Installation" (visited and checked) is giving it a weak link from its own orbit.
And then there's its Military Orbital Outpost. 0.55 High Tech? 0.40 from the Scientific Installation and then 3 more weak links? It's like it's receiving both a strong and weak link from the Installation at the same time.
And then it has 1.90 military. It should be 1.00+0.05+0.05. It's like its Military economy is boosted twice. Somehow.
Planet 6 makes sense. The Industrial Outpost starts with 1.40 Ind from the Pristine Reserves boost. It receives 1.20 Ext from the Large Extraction Settlement, 0.80+0.40 from Pristine. It gets 0.80 Mil from the Military Installation then 0.10 from 2 weak links, 0.15 HiT from 3 weak links, and 0.05 Refinery.
So, yeah. what?
Partly wrote this out to share my findings on how Planetary Outposts "work" and that they have 0.50 base economy. But also I have absolutely no clue what's going on with planet 5. Has to be a bug, right? Bugs?
Aside, I'm still paralyzed from building up my valuable claims. Particularly if the rules for preventing links are going to change, as that dev post hinted... ugh. I wish the rules were more clear, even if they stay weird.
Then I studied the following system a bit more and became partially confounded.
Planet 1 makes sense: A HiT Planetary Outpost starts with 0.50 HiT, gets 0.80 from its Medical installation, gets 2 weak HiT links (the third is strong instead) and so on.
Planet 2 makes sense: A HiT Planetary Outpost starts with 0.50 HiT and gets every weak link. Its Coriolis starts with 1.40 Ref+Ind from rocky-ice, then 0.40 High Tech from its Planetary Outpost, then every weak link. Giving it 0.40+0.15 HiT.
(The Planetary Outpost and Coriolis above it both receive all the weak links though! I thought only the primary port of a body would.)
Planet 3 is weird: A regular Planetary Outpost on an Ice world with biologicals. That starts it with 1.40 Ind, 1.00 Agr, 1.00 Terraforming... right? Then it gets the expected 1.20 Refinery from its Refinery hub and 0.40+0.05+0.05 Military from a medium military settlement plus two weak links.
Then 0.90 High Tech, when it should only have 3 weak links. I triple checked that its installation is a Comms Installation. I don't get it.
Planet 4 makes sense: A High Tech settlement (large) gives 0.80 HiT to its orbital Commercial Outpost, and weak links elsewhere. The Commercial Outpost's economies add up easy, with 1.40 Industrial from the Icy world.
Planet 5 is VERY weird. Firstly, the HiT Planetary Outpost is like Planet 2's except it's missing one Mil weak link- the one from its own Military Orbital Outpost. Yet it still has 0.50+0.15 HiT, as if the "Scientific Installation" (visited and checked) is giving it a weak link from its own orbit.
And then there's its Military Orbital Outpost. 0.55 High Tech? 0.40 from the Scientific Installation and then 3 more weak links? It's like it's receiving both a strong and weak link from the Installation at the same time.
And then it has 1.90 military. It should be 1.00+0.05+0.05. It's like its Military economy is boosted twice. Somehow.
Planet 6 makes sense. The Industrial Outpost starts with 1.40 Ind from the Pristine Reserves boost. It receives 1.20 Ext from the Large Extraction Settlement, 0.80+0.40 from Pristine. It gets 0.80 Mil from the Military Installation then 0.10 from 2 weak links, 0.15 HiT from 3 weak links, and 0.05 Refinery.
So, yeah. what?
Partly wrote this out to share my findings on how Planetary Outposts "work" and that they have 0.50 base economy. But also I have absolutely no clue what's going on with planet 5. Has to be a bug, right? Bugs?
Aside, I'm still paralyzed from building up my valuable claims. Particularly if the rules for preventing links are going to change, as that dev post hinted... ugh. I wish the rules were more clear, even if they stay weird.