You will care when they shut the servers down in a few months or a year, when the game isnt profitable anymore. Because one thing is clear now, Frontier doesnt care about its customers or Elite, all they want is more money.
Frontier: Can you please define your understanding of "Limited"
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You will care when they shut the servers down in a few months or a year, when the game isnt profitable anymore. Because one thing is clear now, Frontier doesnt care about its customers or Elite, all they want is more money.
need some tinfoil?
If they shut the game down in a year I would still be satisfied with the product. I will have received a year on a game I paid $75 for. That's a bargain.
I do expect that they will start charging the standard MMOG monthly subscription in a year or so though. As they improve the game it's going to be the best MMOG space game on the market and I expect they will want to be paid for their efforts.
I would be willing to bet you will cry then too.
The wire frame was limited to celebrate the 30th anniversary if I recall correctly.
There is no way they will charge a monthly fee now.they cannot release a game then add a monthly fee later down the road.
They will most likely do what gw 2 does and keep adding stuff to the store.if gw 2 can survive doing that then any game that classes as a mmo can.
They just got to do it right.
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Rafe Zetter
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I guess you didn't pay attention to the OP post after all - look again at the original listings for the flag skins... pay particular attention to the "Available for a limited time only - offer ends September 14th" bit.
Two months (or less) later; they are back again to buy.
Then re-read the post citing UK trading laws (which FDev are bound to as a UK company) about having a false; or what could be interpreted as false, "limited time only" offer.
Add the two together and see if you managed to get the right answer.
If they had put back some or all of the skins previously available back on sale on the day of launch - AND increased the price a moderate amount - so those that had bought skins for their ships in the beta stages didn't feel "cheated"; that at least would have been a better strategy. Everyone would have understood the reason for it, and there would at least have been a time of "exclusivity" to go alongside the "limited time" touted by Fdev.
After offlinegate, I think FDev seriously need to hire or at least consult with a business and marketing professional, because so far Fdev are 2 for 2 on "seriously borked public marketing strategies".
The reason for items being reduced in price down the line is so that sales will continue to happen for "old technology we still have stock of" - after 9 months your TV is probably 2 generations old by then, NOT cutting edge, so you can't charge the same price for outdated tech. New TV models (along with other things) get released every 6 months or less (A few months ago I wanted to buy an extremely well rated - in 2013 - 3d tv.... nowhere to be found, discontinued from EVERY SINGLE SELLER).
I would have thought someone who's been playing (or soon to be) a game on a PC you would be familiar with this concept as this happens even more frequently with PC GPU cards.
However, having said all that, that analogy does not apply, as there is no "old technology" to support until already produced stocks get sold. These digital skins could be available until the software they are built with becomes unusable - and considering 30 year old game software can still be run successfully via an emulator, that won't be any time soon.
So; early adopters of digital content paying more for something before, in this case, the game has even been released is just plain iffy.
Maybe the prices were dropped because sales numbers were not as positive as they hoped - the most common reason for a price reduction - especially as it does not even coincide with anything of note; didn't match up with gamma release, and obviously WAY before game launch.
Rafe Zetter
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I'd love to beleive this but the very fact there is, or will be, ingame advertising sings a very different tune (note IN GAME, not PRE GAME INTRO). It was added for the money FDev got, and since offline mode has been killed off, we can't even escape it. The reason I think it's IN GAME instead of PRE GAME INTRO, is the wording of the section of the EULA about "if you don't want to see it - play the offline mode" (paraphrased). Those words would not be used if they were part of the game intro credits.
Seems pretty "money grabbing" to me. Sorry but that's my honest opinion.
Edit.. OK a bit harsh, you guys need money; I get that but no-one likes advertising, everyone skips it if they can and in game advertising has been a pretty sore topic in the past with other games.
Plus like I said, now players can't even opt out. - it's the old toothpicks in the eyes technique "you WILL look at what's on the screen".
As you might be able to tell, I'm not a fan of having something on my screen I have no option to avoid.
(if anyone official wants to put me straight and tell me the advertising will be in the intro ONLY and NOT part of the game content, I (and possibly others) will be very relieved to be told I'm wrong).
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Rafe Zetter
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^^ This. Apart from my distaste for what has happened recently I WOULD have bought the skins for all of my ships that had the majority colour of black - for obvious reasons - but if they are all going to be locked in pack sets then I'm not touching any of them with a light year long bargepole.
Rafe Zetter
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Sorry another reply
slightly offtopicHighlighted: you DO get early access, you just don't get to keep the progress... This is mainly because (from what I can tell) of the large amount of rebalancing / bug fixes the game still requires, it happens, and a wipe is far simpler (and less "hey that ship I bought 2 days ago is now half price!!!" thread inducing). Technically most of those that have early access could be still ahead of the curve in regards to game play to a greater or lesser extent; so while they prolly won't get to keep their millions, chances are extremely high they will make full use of those learned skills to regain "the upper hand" they had from gamma, over brand new players just joined on 16th.
(see FDev; I CAN be nice ..sometimes
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Rafe Zetter
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Sorry, last post in this thread I swear
Highlighted.... 8 marketing people in FDev's team and it didn't occur to ANY of them that selling digital content for cheaper than previously sold for no good logical reason - like an anniversary, or launch day, or just one particular day like the UK flag made available ONLY on JUST 1 DATE - St Georges day for example and just two months after the original sale was going to annoy people?
I have to say, seriously, they all need to go back to wherever they got their learning from and re-do the lot.
8 people and EVERY SINGLE ONE of "marketing professionals" missed that almighty clanger.... frankly you'd have got away with it better if you hadn't told us you have a marketing team of 8. I thought it might have been just 1 or 2, things slip past 1 or 2 all the time; but 8? 8 is inexcusable.
You can have that "St Georges Day" idea for free, you could have one for each country - Australia day etc etc, there must be enough national holidays for each country to make it work, it would even seem like you're being nice by helping players of those countries celebrate their national holidays.
Just make sure you give out enough notice so people can take advantage, or run it for two days; for the main buyers, then the next day for the "we were too busy partying to buy it" buyers.
2 good ideas, didn't cost you a dime.
(got a job?
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Every game i play with micro transactions has repeats of offers that were previously labelled as "limited" and mostly for a cheaper price.
Repeat posting in this thread when the OP is satisfied really isn't worthwhile and especially when people are seemingly not up to speed with how micro transactions in gaming work...
Repeat posting in this thread when the OP is satisfied really isn't worthwhile and especially when people are seemingly not up to speed with how micro transactions in gaming work...
So if every company were to commit fraud, you would be okay with that? What about theft, would that be okay too, as long as everyone did it?
So, what are the skins you are all talking about? The gold skin?
We don't know who missed what, chances are the discussion was something like "Mr Braben told me not to worry about it when I said players might get upset".
Hopefully far from 8 are working on storefront tat when there are still things like the "Space Traders Flight Training Manual 3300 Edition" to produce.
I put it down to not many people bought them when they had the opportunity, thus putting it on sale again before release means they get a bunch such as myself supporting our nation in space long live space russia cyka blyat.
Either way the demand was high and people like money.
Just read the community manager reply, yea it seems fair considering the demand, I was going to buy one myself when they were first out but didnt know they were limited and wanted to wait until I preordered. I preordered then got a unpleasant surprise, thanks based devs.
Either way the demand was high and people like money.
Just read the community manager reply, yea it seems fair considering the demand, I was going to buy one myself when they were first out but didnt know they were limited and wanted to wait until I preordered. I preordered then got a unpleasant surprise, thanks based devs.
I would be, I will support you then, unlike you me now.
Hmm the flag skins are still up but without the discount.
So i guess it's going to stay that way.
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Oppenheimer
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Yup, looks like the flag skins are still there (though could just be a slow update on the store).
This actually makes sense to me as I don't think they should have been limited in the first place. Same goes for the chrome Viper skin, with the gold one now available permanently but at £10 I don't really see why the chrome one shouldn't be too. That said, I do get that FD originally listed them as 'limited' and thus making them easily available now would quite understandably annoy a lot of people - I just don't think they should have been limited to begin with as it doesn't really make sense to me. The only skin to date which I feel should be limited is the wire-frame one. I've posted my feelings about that below if you're interested (from the Cobra thread):
It's a bit late now in some cases but I wish FD had taken a different approach with the pricing and limited issues. £10 for the metallic skins seems too much to me (£6 would still be a considerable amount for what you get) + there's no way to trade in/exchange a skin. I can't be the only one that doesn't like the idea of paying £10 for a skin only to find I prefer the next £10 skin or the next, or ones for another ship entirely. This wouldn't be an issue nearly as much if it weren't for the limited release windows (which we still have no real idea about - What is 'limited' then guys?) or if there was some way to swap skins in and out.
Maybe you should be able to 'trade in' a skin at the store for credit (only to be used for digital purchases). If not for the same amount you originally paid, then how about at 50% or 75% the price you paid for it?
This actually makes sense to me as I don't think they should have been limited in the first place. Same goes for the chrome Viper skin, with the gold one now available permanently but at £10 I don't really see why the chrome one shouldn't be too. That said, I do get that FD originally listed them as 'limited' and thus making them easily available now would quite understandably annoy a lot of people - I just don't think they should have been limited to begin with as it doesn't really make sense to me. The only skin to date which I feel should be limited is the wire-frame one. I've posted my feelings about that below if you're interested (from the Cobra thread):
It's a bit late now in some cases but I wish FD had taken a different approach with the pricing and limited issues. £10 for the metallic skins seems too much to me (£6 would still be a considerable amount for what you get) + there's no way to trade in/exchange a skin. I can't be the only one that doesn't like the idea of paying £10 for a skin only to find I prefer the next £10 skin or the next, or ones for another ship entirely. This wouldn't be an issue nearly as much if it weren't for the limited release windows (which we still have no real idea about - What is 'limited' then guys?) or if there was some way to swap skins in and out.
Maybe you should be able to 'trade in' a skin at the store for credit (only to be used for digital purchases). If not for the same amount you originally paid, then how about at 50% or 75% the price you paid for it?