This thread isn't talking about PvPers. Its talking about a game play style that involves only killing clean players.
To be honest its just developed into (or started as?) a troll thread to scare players into staying in solo mode.
please don't confuse PvPers with griefers
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This thread isn't talking about PvPers. Its talking about a game play style that involves only killing clean players.
To be honest its just developed into (or started as?) a troll thread to scare players into staying in solo mode.
I have absolutely no problem with players bounty hunting or pirating other players. The only issue I have is some self-proclaimed "PvPer" shooting at new players in their upgraded Viper. Saw one today at the Nav Beacon in LHS 3447 and promptly killed him.
If you're that guy, how did that make you feel losing to an Eagle?
If you're that guy, how did that make you feel losing to an Eagle?
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Sounds to me like he provided you with content and *gasp* you killed a player! you monster
Apparently it is, since it could be made impossible to shoot clean players and it has not been made so. If this discussion has been going on for a while, I guess the cries of internet victimisation fell on deaf ears.
That actually made me laugh. Well. Smile anyway. +1
He was not killed. He was just sleeping peacefully.
aaah funny thread, glad all those pvp'ers have got somewhere to let off steam again.
Both PVP'ers and griefers share these similarities in mindset :
- Stop playing the game you want to play, and play the way I demand it, or I will kill you
- Stop enjoying yourself, here let me change that by shooting at you
- Do as I say or I will kill you
The only difference between the two is the word 'Yarrr..'.
Both types have only one button to push that is important to their 'role' : The Fire Button
Both types have very little care about their wanted rating / bounty
Both types populate 'open play' in order to conduct their 'game'
Both types always choose easy targets because they dont like being out gunned
Its been said earlier that the 'PVP toggle' is 'open play'. Probably about right. If you play in 'open play' you are clearly available for pirating/griefing, despite whatever RP fantasy and comms is overlaid on the experience, it will end the same way, with you dead and the pirate/griefer happier than you.
If you spend a lot of time playing your game, like mining for a few hours, or working out a long and profitable trade route, or mapping out the galaxy and discovering new celestial bodies, then pirates/griefers will purposely go out of their way to destroy your efforts.
See, its totally unimportant to both a pirate and a griefer how their behaviour will impact on you. Both types understand the game can be difficult, yet they exist specifically to make it more difficult. They both recognise the game takes real time to build money, cargo, trade routes and the like, yet they are both happy to destroy that time you have spent.
They are two separate types of player inexorably linked to each other through their simple actions : bullying inferior players by shooting them.
If you're down with this, cool. If you dont like wasting your time, then play in Solo mode or join a group. Leave 'open play' to the pirates and griefers, birds of a feather flock together and all that. You can always return to 'open play' later with a superior ship and firepower and join in on the pirating/griefing, just pick weak targets and defenceless ships .. and remember the 'fire' button, its your one and only trick.
Yarr...
Both PVP'ers and griefers share these similarities in mindset :
- Stop playing the game you want to play, and play the way I demand it, or I will kill you
- Stop enjoying yourself, here let me change that by shooting at you
- Do as I say or I will kill you
The only difference between the two is the word 'Yarrr..'.
Both types have only one button to push that is important to their 'role' : The Fire Button
Both types have very little care about their wanted rating / bounty
Both types populate 'open play' in order to conduct their 'game'
Both types always choose easy targets because they dont like being out gunned
Its been said earlier that the 'PVP toggle' is 'open play'. Probably about right. If you play in 'open play' you are clearly available for pirating/griefing, despite whatever RP fantasy and comms is overlaid on the experience, it will end the same way, with you dead and the pirate/griefer happier than you.
If you spend a lot of time playing your game, like mining for a few hours, or working out a long and profitable trade route, or mapping out the galaxy and discovering new celestial bodies, then pirates/griefers will purposely go out of their way to destroy your efforts.
See, its totally unimportant to both a pirate and a griefer how their behaviour will impact on you. Both types understand the game can be difficult, yet they exist specifically to make it more difficult. They both recognise the game takes real time to build money, cargo, trade routes and the like, yet they are both happy to destroy that time you have spent.
They are two separate types of player inexorably linked to each other through their simple actions : bullying inferior players by shooting them.
If you're down with this, cool. If you dont like wasting your time, then play in Solo mode or join a group. Leave 'open play' to the pirates and griefers, birds of a feather flock together and all that. You can always return to 'open play' later with a superior ship and firepower and join in on the pirating/griefing, just pick weak targets and defenceless ships .. and remember the 'fire' button, its your one and only trick.
Yarr...
Easy to escape griefers, pirates, NPC's Hit ESC, save to main menu when the interdicter hits. No Problem. 
It's nothing personal. If I see bounty on you, you're a flying bag of cash.
maybe you could respond to my points?
I don't know what the ratio is of npcs to players that I see is, 1000 to 1? 10000 to 1?
Its not the game for you because you aren't going to be able to find players to kill.
Any new players you do pick on will just leave open or put you on ignore. You will then see even less players. Please feel free to post videos of the PvP you actually get to do.
This bounty hunter here (me) does not use the word Yarrr.
you are the prime example of what this thread is all about, someone who is hanging all us pvp players out of the same window.
yes indeed I am
despite what you label it, the result for the victim is the same
despite your motivation, reasons, rationale, purpose and whether or not you say 'Yarr..', the outcome is still the same
pirates/pvpers/griefers/bounty hunters ... all use the same one button : the fire button
until the game offers different modes of interaction, and different outcomes for the victims, you guys are the same one-trick-pony
it would be nice to tell the difference I guess, but sometimes you cant hear the 'Yarr..' over the explosion of your ship
Its ok though, dont take it all personal and stuff, I'll grab a sidey and come play in open play for a while, to give you guys another weak target to practice your one-trick on.
edit : ah sorry, I forgot about your other 'trick', the negative rep button. nice, a bit silly, but nice
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PvP in ED doesnt give anything if you arent wanted. It doesnt even count towards the kill rank since its considered murder. So there is no reason to PvP someone that is clean and doesnt want to fight. Im all for PvP, dont get me wrong, but that someone just wanna PvP you cause of PvP then you should both either be in on it or the one you attack has a bounty. In MMO's you do it to raise rank, get certain currency towards PvP gear etc, or you do it for fun but then its usually a duel where both want to test their skills against eachother. Again, nothing wrong in that, but if you attack a player that has arent wanted and is not in on it then its not so cool. It would be cool anywhere else where you gain something, but here we are space explorers and stuff and attacking without bounty is a criminal offense. So there is a small difference.
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Some talked about getting a rush from PvP, and i say yeah you do get a rush, but it comes from that you can gain or lose something. Might be a big rush for those being attacked as they dont want to lose their ship and have to pay insurance. And a rush for those attacking if the ship they attack have a big bounty. I definately have had massive rushes in PvP in different games/sims. Heart starts pounding and palms getting sweaty.
Sir the fault of your argument lies in the fact that you describe ED as a PVE/PVP Mmo game. It is not. Taking part in ED is meant to be more than just gaming, is it meant to be an experience. An experience where players are free to do as they choose in the universe and to each other (with consequences) and if you choose to take part in the universe you assume all the risk that goes with it. You don't want to be attacked then defend yourself or go play a game.
neither is anyone else in this game.
PvP is only fun if it's consentual, like most things in life. Forcing your style of play on others is griefing, ask first if they want to play that way, then go for it if they do, simple really.
rofl my gawd this game is full of innocent simpletons.
"excuse me sir, i noticed that you are flying a lakon type 9 full of rare cargo, would you mind if I help myself to your cargo after i blow you apart? i would be ever so greatful. what no? oh well geez i guess i'll just have to find someone else to kill and steal from, have a nice day!"
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i do take it personal, infact i take it so personal that i uninstalled the game a few hours ago.
i have been bullied by you anti pvp types since beta and i refuse to be compared to a griefer,
i despite griefing by all my heart.
and im into pvp for the same reasons i like any other sport, to challenge myself and to try and beat the better man.
but clearly you types don't get it so im out of here.
My experience in any game with a progression line and PvP is rather one sided. With UO,DayZ,Rust,EvE and many more...there was always three particular behavior that always comes.
You have the so called PvPlers that tell you they love PVP its so much more fun because you enemy things not like a NPC and its a challenge. But face it 90% of those are bullies run from any fight that would be a fair fight or challenge where the winner isnt clear, and rather hunter other players with a disadvantage to the point where there are roaming around shooting everything on side and call it competitive PvP. Using anymeans to stand as a winner , like logging out of a losing fght saw that alot in beta alone.
You have the griefers that dont sugarcoat their action and enjoying themself forcing their gameplay on others.
And you have THE PvPlers the 1% of that crowd that stands true to their "honor code" of every PVP that is not on a common ground is no PVP at all. Its those guys that go to tournaments, organize one and dont force their playstyle on other aslong they dont see a challenge in doing so.
Its a small line for a pvpler to be a griefer.
BUT i saw mostly PvP with a consiousness to the world in Elite. Meaning with logicall behavior, like a pirate gamer tries to liberate the cargo from a trader or a bounty hunter saw that bounty on the head of a player to claim it(no matter how low its still a bounty on the head of a player and is a legetim reason to hunt that player) or mercenarys in combat zones fighting each other.
So all in all it keeps itself in balance, together with that noob-protection patrol fighting of experienced player to keep them from griefing new player, its rather a healthy situation for the community.
Even if it turns out for the worst. Every player has the tool to avoid the ocassional "griefer" if he feels like it. Together with the soft tool that density of players shrinking expotantial the farther you go.
You have the so called PvPlers that tell you they love PVP its so much more fun because you enemy things not like a NPC and its a challenge. But face it 90% of those are bullies run from any fight that would be a fair fight or challenge where the winner isnt clear, and rather hunter other players with a disadvantage to the point where there are roaming around shooting everything on side and call it competitive PvP. Using anymeans to stand as a winner , like logging out of a losing fght saw that alot in beta alone.
You have the griefers that dont sugarcoat their action and enjoying themself forcing their gameplay on others.
And you have THE PvPlers the 1% of that crowd that stands true to their "honor code" of every PVP that is not on a common ground is no PVP at all. Its those guys that go to tournaments, organize one and dont force their playstyle on other aslong they dont see a challenge in doing so.
Its a small line for a pvpler to be a griefer.
BUT i saw mostly PvP with a consiousness to the world in Elite. Meaning with logicall behavior, like a pirate gamer tries to liberate the cargo from a trader or a bounty hunter saw that bounty on the head of a player to claim it(no matter how low its still a bounty on the head of a player and is a legetim reason to hunt that player) or mercenarys in combat zones fighting each other.
So all in all it keeps itself in balance, together with that noob-protection patrol fighting of experienced player to keep them from griefing new player, its rather a healthy situation for the community.
Even if it turns out for the worst. Every player has the tool to avoid the ocassional "griefer" if he feels like it. Together with the soft tool that density of players shrinking expotantial the farther you go.
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