Stop right there. Please. And read what has been said before instead of perpetuationg the same fallacies. There is nothing massive about the multiplayer functionalities of Elite.
Elite Dangerous no longer an MMO?
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Stop right there. Please. And read what has been said before instead of perpetuationg the same fallacies. There is nothing massive about the multiplayer functionalities of Elite.
I never said the multiplayer was massive smart alec.
I asked is the game massive, you automatically decided I was asking if the multiplayer was massive which I never did, nor did I imply.
Reading what is actually typed and not what you thought should be typed is a must, don't go reading between the lines when there is nothing between them to be read.
Also way to go on editing the quote to make it seem like you are in the right, perhaps you should have read the whole thing before having that knee jerk reaction so many people are fond of these days.
Remember I asked 3 different questions, each relating to a different letter of the abbreviation of MMO.
I asked is the game massive, you automatically decided I was asking if the multiplayer was massive which I never did, nor did I imply.
Reading what is actually typed and not what you thought should be typed is a must, don't go reading between the lines when there is nothing between them to be read.
Also way to go on editing the quote to make it seem like you are in the right, perhaps you should have read the whole thing before having that knee jerk reaction so many people are fond of these days.
Remember I asked 3 different questions, each relating to a different letter of the abbreviation of MMO.
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Don't separate those since those words meant to be together.
Massively Multiplayer means massive numbers of players playing simultaneously the game, and able to interact with the others. So ED is not a MMO.
It's a MMO because a large number of players play in the same universe.
It doesn't have very good support for player interactions, and it doesn't have a lot of the things you expect from a stereotypical MMO, and it would be better if it did have some of them.
However, it does put a large number of players online in the same universe, and as such is a MMO. This false advertising nonsense is getting ridiculous.
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But they can interact with the others. They aren't funnelled together to make that likely, but they can and do.
It doesn't have very good support for player interactions, and it doesn't have a lot of the things you expect from a stereotypical MMO, and it would be better if it did have some of them.
However, it does put a large number of players online in the same universe, and as such is a MMO. This false advertising nonsense is getting ridiculous.
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But they can interact with the others. They aren't funnelled together to make that likely, but they can and do.
Oh in that case I'm still right everyone who plays Elite Dangerous still connects to a SINGLE UNIVERSE, whether they are in solo, private group or open, just because they are in a different instance than you does not make this any less true, and just because you cannot chat or trade with them does not mean they are not there, so in that case even if you roll all 3 letters into a single word, that being MMO, this is still a MMO in it's core and most basic features.
Oh and originally MMO used to be used as M.M.O as in 3 separate words that slowly over time ended up becoming a single word, which is surprisingly misused by a lot of people.
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There are massive numbers of players playing simultaneously online, so I'm really not sure how this is so confusing to you lot :S
It's not a MMO until the game is instanced like the way it is. And since the interaction is that bad yet, that's not going to make it a MMO either.
I like the game, i really do, it's not a MMO yet, but hopefully that will change in the future.
By your logic the same is true of Farmville so I guess you believe Farmville is an MMO?
Logic suggests your reasoning is flawed. Give it another go.
You quite simply do not understand what massively multiplayer means. Massively does not mean the same thing as massive... that's why there's those extra letters at the end.
Arguing this point is ridiculous and anyone who's ever played ANY mmo in their entire life knows the difference between the two and when a company tries to label a multiplayer game as an mmo. There is a distinct difference that 95% of the people who play online games are aware of and understand.
Nothing you say or do will change what has already happened. You can argue all day the technicality of the acronym but in reality it does not mean what you think, it never has, and never will. ;P
Edit: People who do not understand this very simple concept should not be worried about much nor given the time or attention which is better spent educating children so they don't grow up to be like them.
Edit-2: To those who still might be confused (maybe because you have never once in your life actually played an mmo), a game actually qualifying as an mmo has nothing to do with pvp. There are 100's of mmos which feature 0% pvp by design.
Whether a game qualifies as an mmo has to do with HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE IN THE SAME INSTANCE AT THE SAME TIME AND INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.
This number is roughly accepted to be more than games such as call of duty, ect. (Anywhere from 10-150)
Actual MASSIVELY multiplayer games have HUNDREDS to THOUSANDS in the same "instance."
Furthermore, instanced anything is not mmo, lol. It's an instance. If the entire game is instanced, well, now.... this isn't rocket science, people... -_-
The argument that, "oh, but it's a twitch game and that's why it's like this." (limit of 32 players per instance) is frankly juvenile and uninformed imo. There's so many examples of so called, "twitch" games still qualifying as mmos that I won't even take the time to list them...at all.
Here's an idea, call me crazy, but before you assume other people are fools and don't know the meaning of something that you in fact know very little to nothing about, nor do you have the slightest bit of experience in, it may be best not to open your mouth before doing a little bit of research and removing all doubt as to your own level of competence.
Despite what any of you want to believe, no gaming site, no group of gamers, no one with any history or experience playing mmo's will consider this game one in it's current state.
The only people that do or would are those that have so obviously never played mmo's before that they don't even understand what they are or why they are called mmo's and not just multiplayer online games. ;P
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Ah but that's the problem you see: the term MMO doesnt imply a massive game world (which is the only thing Elite has that can indeed be qualified as such). Before calling me a smart ass, I would appreciate it if you at least made the effort of not being one yourself.
I'll direct you to a previous post of mine on the difference between massive and massively. It's baffling to me that people would make such a glaring mistake when I don't, despite English far from being my mother tongue. So baffling that I'm almost ready to suspect there is actually no mistake being made there and instead some mischievous twisting of words in the hope of winning some internet points.
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A lot of this stems from the fact that a lot of people with very poor English skills seem to think that a word means what it means to them rather than having an actual definition, which they may or (in many cases) may not know.
Just look at the number of people on this or any forum who think jealousy and envy are synonyms when they are actually closer to antonyms. It's just poorly educated people who do not understand that they do not know any better. The older I get the more amazed I become by the level of adult illiteracy in the modern world. It truly is staggering.
I like how apparently you're the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes an MMO.
Or at least you think you are.
I happen to disagree.
ED is an MMO.
The game is online.
The game is multiplayer.
The game infrastructure supports the playing of the game by players, online, in a persistent world, in far greater numbers than a conventional online multiplayer title.
You might not like how ED delivers the MMO experience and that is fine. I'm confident I'd probably agree with a lot of your criticisms.
It is, however, an MMO.
There are more interactions in some of the IRC channels I'm in than I'd ever hope of experiencing in the current state of Elite.
There is a maximum of 32 players in any one instance. Battlefield 4, which would never dare to profess to be an MMO, allows up to 64 per instance. I figure you must have a completely different idea of what Massively means to the standard definition.*
*Pedant mode on: In actuality, if we are going by correct definitions alone, there hasn't been a true MMO video game ever. Why? Well the word Massive actually means having a lot of mass (the clue is in the word) whereas given that these are virtual worlds that we inhabit with virtual characters they actually have zero mass. Therefore the term Massive is a misnomer, by definition. They should actually use a word that indicates a great number rather than a great mass. A star can be massive, a video game cannot.
Well whatever the case about the game's genre at the moment it's not going to change the fact that it requires improvement. It's not really worth to argue about it because there's always 3 kind of person who believes in his/her right.
Arguing about it is not going to hasten the development. The developers say the game is a MMO but i'm sure they are also know the multiplayer part is pretty bad at the moment, and they will solve that problem sometime.
There's no need for another 20 more pages for this, but who am i to tell what to do right? Yes you're right i stop it right here.
Arguing about it is not going to hasten the development. The developers say the game is a MMO but i'm sure they are also know the multiplayer part is pretty bad at the moment, and they will solve that problem sometime.
There's no need for another 20 more pages for this, but who am i to tell what to do right? Yes you're right i stop it right here.
So what, Everquest has a limit of 30 players on any instance. Is that also not a MMO for you?
Braben has said this is a MMO. It is a MMO, deal with it.
I have seen a lot more than 30 people at the same time in everquest.
(they were all dancing together, trading and socializing. ie: playing an mmo.)