As Isabella Garcia-Shapiro once said, "you had me at 'our grandchildren.'"
So if i hit a planet on FSD engines. with maths!
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As Isabella Garcia-Shapiro once said, "you had me at 'our grandchildren.'"
Guess we can put that into bucket with "this and that sensor was attached to the cracked corner there..." But what comes to seeing at large, there's more than enemy tracing gimmicks.
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Ok let's look at this whole thing semi-logically here for a moment.
First clue is in the name - Frame Shift drive. So it implies that it's shifting SOMETHING. A "frame". WHat is a "frame"? To me, unlikely to be an object like your ship. It could be a reference point like a location in space. It could be a new unit of measure for space travel in the future ("Yeah Bob, I'm 20 frames out.. that's about 250 LYs in old earth measurements").
So unless we know what a "frame" is... we won't know how to apply real world physics to it
Also we won't know what really happens when this frame gets "shifted" by the drive. We just know that the result is the appearance of travelling faster than light.
First clue is in the name - Frame Shift drive. So it implies that it's shifting SOMETHING. A "frame". WHat is a "frame"? To me, unlikely to be an object like your ship. It could be a reference point like a location in space. It could be a new unit of measure for space travel in the future ("Yeah Bob, I'm 20 frames out.. that's about 250 LYs in old earth measurements").
So unless we know what a "frame" is... we won't know how to apply real world physics to it
Also we won't know what really happens when this frame gets "shifted" by the drive. We just know that the result is the appearance of travelling faster than light.
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Mmm... who?
Actually I quite like that idea. Then the FSD transition can be explained as "holographic universe projection initialisation". HUPI has a nice ring to it
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Ok let's look at this whole thing semi-logically here for a moment.
First clue is in the name - Frame Shift drive. So it implies that it's shifting SOMETHING. A "frame". WHat is a "frame"? To me, unlikely to be an object like your ship. It could be a reference point like a location in space. It could be a new unit of measure for space travel in the future ("Yeah Bob, I'm 20 frames out.. that's about 250 LYs in old earth measurements").
So unless we know what a "frame" is... we won't know how to apply real world physics to it
Also we won't know what really happens when this frame gets "shifted" by the drive. We just know that the result is the appearance of travelling faster than light.
"Frame" likely refers to "Frame of Reference," a very important physical concept. It's a common phrase to "shift your frame of reference."
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Sorry. Phineas and Ferb quote. Couldn't resist.
Ok let's look at this whole thing semi-logically here for a moment.
First clue is in the name - Frame Shift drive. So it implies that it's shifting SOMETHING. A "frame". WHat is a "frame"? To me, unlikely to be an object like your ship. It could be a reference point like a location in space. It could be a new unit of measure for space travel in the future ("Yeah Bob, I'm 20 frames out.. that's about 250 LYs in old earth measurements").
So unless we know what a "frame" is... we won't know how to apply real world physics to it
Also we won't know what really happens when this frame gets "shifted" by the drive. We just know that the result is the appearance of travelling faster than light.
More like "frame of reference shift drive"... I'm comfortable with such, even thought I can't wrap my mind around relativity and it's laws, which don't need to be broken if the "frame" is shifted...
What makes you think your are actually seeing outside? Suppose what you see is merely a computer projection based on sensor data. Maybe you only actually see the outside when drop out of FSD......!
Maybe that it why space station pop into view once you exit FSD.Sorry. Phineas and Ferb quote. Couldn't resist.
Had to google that (and the earlier)... I'm still clueless though.
Ok let's look at this whole thing semi-logically here for a moment.
First clue is in the name - Frame Shift drive. So it implies that it's shifting SOMETHING. A "frame". WHat is a "frame"? To me, unlikely to be an object like your ship. It could be a reference point like a location in space. It could be a new unit of measure for space travel in the future ("Yeah Bob, I'm 20 frames out.. that's about 250 LYs in old earth measurements").
So unless we know what a "frame" is... we won't know how to apply real world physics to it
Also we won't know what really happens when this frame gets "shifted" by the drive. We just know that the result is the appearance of travelling faster than light.
I agree with you
Now consider FSD entry/exit. Those events must do some very interesting things to the surrounding space. Imagine a ship dropping out of FSD inside a solid object.... or a power core at the heart of a capital ship.
Loved that episode!
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I agree with you
Now consider FSD entry/exit. Those events must do some very interesting things to the surrounding space. Imagine a ship dropping out of FSD inside a solid object.... or a power core at the heart of a capital ship.
And the amount of negative energy needed would boil space-time aorund you. Would make a great weapon. Theoretically anyway...
Yes you would be able to see.
A Alcubierre contracts and expands space, but during the time it takes for said space to contract and expand photons can still travel through it.
The game is actually a pretty good model of the Alcubierre drive. With things like not being able to move fast near planets, you can only contract and expand empty space without unbelievable amounts of energy.
While we're in speculative technobabble mode, I guess a large hint to how the FSD works is 'frame shift drive'.
Now, we know the theory of folding space. Calling the folding planes for 'frames', it makes sense that the drive basically shifts the ship forward through 'frames' - but instead of half a universe apart, the frames are meters or kilometers apart, and the shifting is done continuously rather than just once.
This would also explain why mass is such a problem - this shifting may use properties of gravity to do this (Folding space was thought to be an aspect of black holes for a while, so gravity is related), and with nearby mass, distortions may occur - which would be bad.
Would, then, a ship using FSD gain huge kinetic energy? Not at all.
Would a ship using FSD have the ability to cause catastrophic gravity effects? It does not seem that way, although station-breaking missiles would probably use FSD drives to make countermeasures harder (And better standoff ability).
Now, would established science today support this? Not to my knowledge. (No more than alcubierre drives, hyperspace, etc)
Edit: I think Two-Fox's post - which seem rather similar at start at least - was written while I was writing this, or else I missed it. This was not intended as a copycat post...or copyfox.).
Now, we know the theory of folding space. Calling the folding planes for 'frames', it makes sense that the drive basically shifts the ship forward through 'frames' - but instead of half a universe apart, the frames are meters or kilometers apart, and the shifting is done continuously rather than just once.
This would also explain why mass is such a problem - this shifting may use properties of gravity to do this (Folding space was thought to be an aspect of black holes for a while, so gravity is related), and with nearby mass, distortions may occur - which would be bad.
Would, then, a ship using FSD gain huge kinetic energy? Not at all.
Would a ship using FSD have the ability to cause catastrophic gravity effects? It does not seem that way, although station-breaking missiles would probably use FSD drives to make countermeasures harder (And better standoff ability).
Now, would established science today support this? Not to my knowledge. (No more than alcubierre drives, hyperspace, etc)
Edit: I think Two-Fox's post - which seem rather similar at start at least - was written while I was writing this, or else I missed it. This was not intended as a copycat post...or copyfox.).
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What makes you think your are actually seeing outside? Suppose what you see is merely a computer projection based on sensor data. Maybe you only actually see the outside when drop out of FSD......!
Because when my windscreen is blown out I can still see everything ourside my ship while the FSD is in use...
Also note that I quoted see in my original post so I left the option to the engineering 1000 years from now to figure out how to integrate information from a separate space-time into your little bubble of space-time.
Like I also said these FSD are some kind of engineering that's based on physics we just don't know yet.
Treknology at its best....
I was hitting on you with a cartoon quote.
The issue is, that any method that transfers information from point A to point B faster than light necessitates the possibility of time travel. The shortest explanation I can give, is: For any cause/effect pair, there is a frame of reference such that the effect happens before the cause. This could be a problem, because what if someone in that frame of reference called up someone in the "cause" frame of reference? Warned them about the effect of something they hadn't even done? That would be time-travel. This is avoided because even at the speed of light, the person who observed the effect before the cause could not inform someone in the "cause" frame of reference of the "Effect" event until it had already happened. They're too slow.
Now, add in a ship that travels faster than the speed of light? All bets are off, and you can zip over to give your grampa a condom before your mum's conceived.
This is why this is a problem.
Our understanding of physics and this theory don't agree with that statement.
A space-time bubble is created around the ship. This removes the ship from the rest of the universe. The act of compression and expansion of space-time is a seperate action. The bubble is never collapsed or you would violate our current understanding of physics by traveling faster than C.
If only this was all applied phsics and not just theoretical....
If only...
Well... there's where my logic fails - time travel - whyever anything traveling faster than C would be doing time travel? Doesn't make sense....