There are no "innocent" ships. Its a cut-throat galaxy.
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David Braben himself has spoken on this very topic and it is not the design goal of E: D to allow indiscriminate killing of players with no bounty, without serious repercussions. There is clearly insufficient deterrent or punishment as things stand.
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There are serious repercussions, its called getting a bounty on yo head and police trying to off you. But what do you know about "as things stand", when you play solo?
One of my points exactly. There will two defenses, DC, or play Solo. People have single press buttons set up just to DC out of trouble. Keeping a certain balance with regards to the number of Commanders any other Commander may have to face at once would maintain at least the threat we see today.
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There is a very god question mixed in here.... Is the size of the bounty for attacking a Clean ship high enough. I think it's fine for shooting at NPC currently, but it should be far stiffer for shooting at another player. Any Union would take harsher steps for shooting one of our/your own. The concept of the Bounty is good, but the cost of paying it off is inconsequential, and um that means it has no consequences in the end.
Yes. I am so very, very, old
I only ask because so did I. Well, actually for me it was 1978. Long live the Spinward Marches.
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1) I thought I remember them saying that Interdictions will still be 1v1, and it will be up to the wing mates to join up via Low Energy FSD wakes...which will become a little easier and intuitive with wings implement. We will have to wait and see how they do it.
If Crime and Punishment ever gets balanced for CMDR verses CMDR, it should fix it self. They did say once wings are implemented, crimes will be multiplied to everyone in the wing. Meaning if a group of 4 gangs up and kills one person, they ALL get the Bounty for Murder.
I'm kinda excited about this, it could shake up the trading meta. Sure you can gang up on the freighter, but it will be actually possible to have an escort. As long as they make it possible for Wings to share in the trading profits as payment or something. I know just sharing creds is a tricky issue, but I hope they figure something out besides having to manually scoop abandon Gold :-/
Werner Voss put up a damned good show in his Fokker Triplane against 8 SE5's in 1917
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now i want to watch Dune!!!
All your going to end up with at some point is 32 pirates in a group and 32 traders in another group and never the twain shall meet. See if traders were smart and all teamed up there would no pirating possible simply due to matchmaker limitations. So at some point "wings" are going to have to be limited to the number per group. Or else people just wont end up together.
That kinda limits the potential for the gameplay. But as long as "big groups" are capped, you should still see some group action here and there.
That kinda limits the potential for the gameplay. But as long as "big groups" are capped, you should still see some group action here and there.
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The thought of being instantly faced with six hostiles post-interdiction is probably one reason why FD chucked "Drive Slaving" in the big round filing cabinet in the corner.
As people have said, the way it's likely to work now is a 1-on-1 interdiction, with buddies (on either side) dropping in at intervals after that.
Can't wait.
As people have said, the way it's likely to work now is a 1-on-1 interdiction, with buddies (on either side) dropping in at intervals after that.
Can't wait.
No, I won't be playing like that. I would rather die with dignity, integrity intact.
I'd be really disappointed if someone did that to me, so I wouldn't do it to them.
I was hoping that they might improve the NPCs and make them more aggressive in solo mode too, so that it isn't just an easy mode. I reckon as things stand ED is a little too risk free and given it's size other plays aren't really going to change that so much on their own even in open mode.
Depends on the players and the situation.
There are CMDRs out there that I probably would not stand a chance against if I had three of my clones fighting at my side.
There are also CMDRs out there who are so bad that if they jumped me with every friend they ever had a their back, I'd have more difficulty navigating the resulting debris field after I was done shooting, than I had in dealing with them.
Usually works for me.
There is no problem.
Most people are not losing ships to hostile players on a regular basis...unless they are utterly unwilling to take an sensible precautions.
Or they could just leave as they would when interdicted by a single player.
I hope this is the case. Group interdiction should not be viable unless all participants must fly the tube independently and keep up with the ship being interdicted until interdiction is complete.
My CMDR doesn't give a damn about dignity, but I don't personally cheat others when I am playing games with them.
How about run? It's easy enough to run and FSD away, I really don't see the issue here.
I'm pretty sure FD will try hard to incorporate wingmen in their matchmaking algorithm. The game should favour group play vs group play rather than group vs solo. If it doesn't, then that's something FD will have to tune their matchmaking system for. However, I would not be surprised if an unfortunate solo player draws the short end of the stick and gets paired up with a group of gankers. Nevertheless, I don't consider it an unfair system. When you play online games, anything goes and anything is fair game. The beta period should provide enough telemetry for FD to fine tune the system though. It would not be hard for them to completely omit solo players out of group play at the expense of a potentially more lonely galaxy. We'll just have to wait and see what FD does.
As far as interdiction goes, I dunno. I would imagine that all wingmen will be involved in some way. It would be an anti-social mechanic to drop only one user out of frame shift while your mates continue flying oblivious. I would personally be OK with all wingmen working together to avoid interdiction and the average success of each player contribute to your group's ability to evade or succumb to interdiction.
As far as interdiction goes, I dunno. I would imagine that all wingmen will be involved in some way. It would be an anti-social mechanic to drop only one user out of frame shift while your mates continue flying oblivious. I would personally be OK with all wingmen working together to avoid interdiction and the average success of each player contribute to your group's ability to evade or succumb to interdiction.
For me, I'd say interdiction shouldn't change with wings, e.g one player one device, one tether.
However, what should change is your pack should be able to jump in on the low energy wakes and actually get to the fight (currently this is bugged).
This would take skill for the group to execute well, and should mean there is a delay between the interdiction and a would be gank.
This exposes the initial would be pirate at quite some risk when attempting bigger prey too whilst he waits on buddies.
Still think a system wide distress beacon at this point to call the attention of others could also mean a pirate gets more than they bargain for in busy systems... aswell as gives a victim hope help may come...
Thats multiplayer action imho...
However, what should change is your pack should be able to jump in on the low energy wakes and actually get to the fight (currently this is bugged).
This would take skill for the group to execute well, and should mean there is a delay between the interdiction and a would be gank.
This exposes the initial would be pirate at quite some risk when attempting bigger prey too whilst he waits on buddies.
Still think a system wide distress beacon at this point to call the attention of others could also mean a pirate gets more than they bargain for in busy systems... aswell as gives a victim hope help may come...
Thats multiplayer action imho...
I have been playing open since day one. I have not had even one PC attack me without provocation. I don't see wings changing that. I'm guessing groups will hang out at one system or another. Anyone wanting to take em on will know where to find them. This will provide for some epic battles. The ability for PC's to advertise missions with rewards for completion safely . Drool. Imagine holding off 3-4 viper pirates while the shield-less rares barge jumps away. You meet up again in a nearby system and continue. This sounds awesome. Space battles between two factions of PC's. Wow
Anything that makes it harder for trade grinders to make money is a good thing! But yeah, you maybe can work with or hire other players to protect you.
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