Understanding the Negative Feedback

Sure you do buddy but keep in mind that theres an other side enjoying the game and they're likely a silent majority.

People keep saying this, but there is no evidence to indicate it's true. It's wishful thinking as far as I can tell. When the critics in the media are saying the same thing as all the "moaners" about the game being unfinished, boring, and lacking in content I think it's rather arrogant to assume that you are in the majority with your contentment with the game as it currently is.
 
As we all are very well aware... there are a lot of people posting negative threads about ED.... Let me try and explain why I believe that is. But first let me explain what it is not... It is NOT hating for hating sake.... It is not People don't like Elite.... It is Not people want to play other games.... It is not they don't know how to play.... It is NOT people don't have imagination.... What these posts are however, are written by people whom Love the Elite universe and feel they have been let down severely by the lack of game. Yes they may be in awe of the Galaxy simulation... but the game is missing. These people including myself feel duped into buying a game at £40 that was not delivered. And we have every right to be vocal about it!

You wrote nearly verbatim what I was going to write. Though I don't necessarily feel duped yet. Everything else is spot on. +Rep
 
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I feel compelled to respond to your statement.....

Call it "release" or call it "early access" - its just semantics. You can call it by what ever name makes you happiest. ED is what it is.

The creation of this game has been better documented and reported on than any other game I can think of. We've had regular newsletters since 2012 (archived online for all to see) and there have been semi-regular 3rd party articles about its development. Then there's also hundreds of youtube videos, from Alpha, Premium Beta, Beta 1, Beta 2. Then there's the developer diary videos on youtube. Then of course there are the release reviews from all the usual game websites. There's this forum (available to all prior to purchase).

Just how much more information do you require in order to make an informed purchase decision ?

I've been playing since Alpha. I'm an original Kickstarter. Still - I was surprised when Solo Offline was removed (after pre-purchasing had been live for weeks) and still I was expecting to see all the non-standard weapon variants that were simply removed without explanation in the Release version.
 
Are they ? Are they really ? What's your source? The critics scores look pretty good to me:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/elite-dangerous/critic-reviews

It's an okay score, not particularly special though. As I wrote in another thread -

Actually, when you look at what's around it, and what's above it, it's not really that great a score. I know most people would be delighted to score 80% in exams (life!) but when it comes to online reviews, they don't quite work the same. For example, on Metacritic only 14 games out of 364 (in 2014) got below 50! The average is over 70%. 80% is okay, it's definitely not great.
 
I was surprised when Solo Offline was removed

So was I - it was an unfortunate (but apparently necessary) move. Fortunately, refunds have been offered where appropriate.


For example, on Metacritic only 14 games out of 364 (in 2014) got below 50! The average is over 70%. 80% is okay, it's definitely not great.

Are you quoting critic scores or user scores ?
 
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People keep saying this, but there is no evidence to indicate it's true. It's wishful thinking as far as I can tell. When the critics in the media are saying the same thing as all the "moaners" about the game being unfinished, boring, and lacking in content I think it's rather arrogant to assume that you are in the majority with your contentment with the game as it currently is.

Are they? Ive not seen a single 'critic or media' review that actually made me feel like the reviewer had played the game let alone played it for any time. If there is some actual objective review out there from the 'media' I would like to read it. There is quite a lot of what I will call 'non media' stuff, but what I woudl be interestd in is actual gaming reviews from reputable (I know!) publications
 
Critic. I was curious and went back and had a look at them for 2014.

Still, there are plenty of other research sources available to potential buyers.

What I don't understand is the lingering anger from many forum posters. I've bought plenty of games at £40 a pop that were awful. I chalk it up to experience and move on. I certainly didn't hang around the Sega forums complaining about colonial marines. If you don't like the game, stop playing it. At least in this case, development continues, so if you come back in 6 months perhaps your expectations might be better met.

Really though, when critic scores are generally above 70%, and from my first hand experience of playing (and enjoying) ED, I tend to think that the fuss makers can be no more than a handful of whinging teenager types. Hopefully they'll get bored of polluting this forum, and move on to star citizen or something else.

I appreciate that critical feedback from the player base is important, and does make for interesting and engaging discussion, but "Elite: Suckz" is not critical feedback. Its just annoying.
 
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Are they ? Are they really ? What's your source? The critics scores look pretty good to me:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/elite-dangerous/critic-reviews

What does not look good is really ED. It is in a bare bone state.


In the beginning you like the game, but after a while it becomes tedious and repetitive.

And the problem is that there is no clear response from developers on what will be added to the game this year. This recent updates only fix bugs which in fact is nothing more than an obligation of the FD.

Many reviews were favorable based on the game's potential and not on what was available at launch. And we are not favorable to the FD has shown us as a priority in updates.
 
Yes, but did you have to create yet another thread to continue your moaning? NO. You do enough of it in the other threads... Sort it out mate. You've already said you uninstalled it, yet here you are. (?) *sigh*

Yes...this garden variety of moaner troll has to post numerous diatribes. What other explanation can there be for someone who has admitted uninstalling?.
 
People keep saying this, but there is no evidence to indicate it's true. It's wishful thinking as far as I can tell. When the critics in the media are saying the same thing as all the "moaners" about the game being unfinished, boring, and lacking in content I think it's rather arrogant to assume that you are in the majority with your contentment with the game as it currently is.

Just because they are "critics" doesn't all of a sudden add more importance to their opinion. They add up to how many of the 300,000 people who bought the game? 5 or 6...maybe 10 certainly not hundreds or thousands.
I can just as accurately consider you arrogant in thinking that the majority dislike ED. You have no metrics to back that up.
 
What I don't understand is the lingering anger from many forum posters. I've bought plenty of games at £40 a pop that were awful. I chalk it up to experience and move on.

Yeah, I paid £300 so that's why I'm still here! ;) Seriously though - it's got great bones and I want to love the whole game and am hoping it will come soon. So lingering for that reason really - the hope of better times.

I'm not angry though (well, I was angry about offlinegate but that's done now), just disappointed. It almost makes me sad to play, in a way, when the potential of what I see and what I'm doing isn't really realised. I've said elsewhere that if it wasn't for the Rift experience ED delivers I would be playing other things, for sure.

I realise you weren't asking me personally, but there you go! ;)
 
There is a lot of stuff that needs to be pointed out in as many threads as we can get if it will help fix all the stuff wrong this with game; sheesh. yes, there are many good things too, but there are far to many aggravating things in this game to be ignored. I figure in 3 or so years either they will have fixed it or the game will drop into obscurity. Look at WOW for instance, the game has gone through many vast changes over the years. I could name a list, a long long list, of games that are now in obscurity because the game owners/developers didn't listen to the community. I will share with you two of my many gripes. 1) bulletin boards - there are far to few missions, usually none I qualify for, but a whole list shows up of what is not available. Whoever thought it was a good idea to show unavailable missions and not give any missions to a player is just a sorry developer and not a gamer. I can understand a couple of terminals not having a mission for you; but I go to 5 or so and nothing with the occassional illegal activity which I have no interest in doing. 2) Rep; I bet this changes a lot over time, but right now it has some major problems. I think a no harm no foul policy should be used. If I am firing at and enemy and some stupid fed flies in front of me and takes a little pip to his sheild and no real damage; no foul, no warrant should be issued. I can be firing at a wanted guy 300m away and these fools fly right in between you so fast sometimes you just cant stop firing fast enough as they go wizzing by. I can see a warrant issued if I kept firing or locked them on target and fired, but this is crazy as it is at the moment; either fix this or fix the AI that has these guys flying into my fields of fire or the AI that will auto not fire on a ship that is friendly without override. In a game with easy interspace travel; such things should be computerized an already available with transponders and the like. Just lack of thought probably from not being able to thing out of the box for a game that started in the 80's. For a sci fi game; this one just is not very sophisticated.
 
While I don't feel duped (leaving aside the Solo Offline debacle) this pretty much sums things up. I'm an old Elite 84 type. I bought in at every level. I spent a ton on new gear to max my enjoyment.

But for all this to culminate in the release of what is no more than a 1987 game with 2014 graphics is disappointing. To then see the developers jump immediately on the ceaselessly revolving 'balance everything purely around PvP' roundabout is even more so.

I don't care what may or may not 'unbalance' PvP. Don't care. (And for the record - shield cells were not a problem, they were just an inconvenience to the minority who thought they should be able to blast everything in 30 seconds).

What I do care about is the wide empty universe, the lack of working social features, the almost non-existent AI, and the lack of emergent gameplay.

But what does 1.1 bring as new? Heat damage, nerfs and a station that moves using the Infinite Server Reset Drive.

And given - as Frontier have explicitly stated - the game is being moved towards a 'self-financing' state - I'm not expecting it to be radically transformed so yeah - I'm more than a little disappointed.

It's kind of fun to play for its nostalgic 1980's gameplay and nice graphics but there's not much here. With the limitations of the P2P implementation I'm also not seeing how it can ever be a 'real' MMO.

This about sums it up. I actually never would have thought this was supposed to be a "PVP" game. I would have completely avoided it. But, I got to watching videos, exploration, etc ... and had a Rift, so I got hooked in Beta ($75), ordered a flight stick, an EDTracker, and then launch came. Well, this is pretty cool, a little bare-bones but they'll ... oh, people killing each other inside stations ... well, that's just a ... hrm, now there's numerous threads about 'griefing' and 'noobs' and 'learn to fly' and 'tough ____, you blah, blah'.

Just not what I was expecting. This first big patch, the 1.1 one, is almost entirely made up of PVP changes and some neat graphics. They seriously pushed the broken comms to 1.2? I see their focus now. It's sad that this game became a PVP game instead of a cooperative space sim where you'd randomly see people. Now it's just filled with "pewpew" and "CUZ ITZ DANGEROUS GUYZ". I'm still trading a bit, in between jobs so have a little time, lol. But I hope, I really hope this doesn't become some quest for "PVP balance" and the game just loads to an Arena 5v5 game.

No, a thousand times no. (because some people seem compelled to say things like "yes, a thousand times yes" as though that makes a point more valid :p)

People have the right to complain. That's fine. Especially if its constructive criticism. But there is no need to do it multiple times. You've said your piece, now get off the pot. FD have heard you, we have heard you. You feel cheated, fine. But your options are limited. Ask for refund (unlikely since i presume you have played), do a charge back on your credit card (maybe you are too late for this), or just accept it, and move on.

Come back later when the game is more developed, or just forget about it.

Don't waste your life discussing a game that you don't even apparently like. Look outside the window, there is a whole world going on out there, with amazing graphics, quality sound, and some interesting and highly interactive NPCs.

Choose life, not a waste of life. ;)

This is just really, really, bad advice. If you want something to improve, speak up. Let them know. This game is supposed to 'evolve' so if more people speak up about a certain direction, it hopefully will go in that way. Once I realize that fight is hopeless. I will leave. That's one less person to buy the expansions, one less person to buy ship paint jobs, one less person to be part of the 'economy'. And I won't be the first to leave and I won't be the last.

Instead, look at what people are saying, if it's being repeated it's not "just the same 10 guys" like some other thread was saying, it's something that may be inherently wrong with their Vision© as it stands right now.
 
Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw likes it. That's all the reviews I need.

Screw reviewers. The only opinion that counts to me is mine. The game gives so much that I love yet I still want something more. The game is ironically lacking dimension. I get engrossed in the gameplay but I don't feel like I'm impacting anything. And I want to feel like I'm actually interacting with the game and not just affecting stock prices. Please don't focus on this one issue as I'm only citing an example.

I love the feeling of this game but I want the game to acknowledge me just a little. Some people are into one-sided relationships where I like at least a little reciprocal interaction. I imagine that's why some of you wanted solo off-line mode. That way you knew that any changes that occurred in the game were the result of only your interaction.
 
What I find hilarious is people publicly slagging off the game for having insufficient players to populate a huge galaxy, then telling everyone they shouldn't buy it.

Your faces will miss their noses.
 
Yeah, I paid £300 so that's why I'm still here! ;) Seriously though - it's got great bones and I want to love the whole game and am hoping it will come soon. So lingering for that reason really - the hope of better times.

I'm in for £125. For that price I'll get all future expansion packs for free - i feel like I've got a great deal.

Honestly mate, 2 or 3 years from now we'll all be walking on planets, and flying low and fast though the valleys of some exotic world, hanging out in the spaceport bar and laughing about how we were worried. The time goes quickly....it only seems like 2 minutes since I pledged at KS....it was over 2 years ago.

I'm very optimistic for the future of this game, and I'll buy you that pint in some backstreet Lavian drinking pit one day.
 
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I'm in for £125. For that price I'll get all future expansion packs for free, i kinda feel like I've got a great deal.

Honestly mate, 2 or 3 years from now we'll all be walking on planets, and flying low and fast though the valleys of some exotic world, hanging out in the spaceport bar and laughing about how we were worried. The time goes quickly....it only seems like 2 minutes since I pledged at KS....it was over 2 years ago.

I'm very optimistic for the future of this game, and I'll buy you that pint in some backstreet Lavian drinking pit one day.

I hope you're right. I don't think there's a chance in hell of it happening, but I hope you're right.
 
No, a thousand times no. (because some people seem compelled to say things like "yes, a thousand times yes" as though that makes a point more valid :p)
Oh come on! REally?? It was not supposed to validate the information, only to state that that person agreed with the post wholeheartedly... and you jolly well know it. Stop trying to Spin and be direct!

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No I disagree with this assumption. Look at the Elder Scrolls games, early ones had the entre continent, latter ones had just single regions within the continent..
Are you really trying to say that Daggerfall had more content than Skyrim!? Not on your nelly!
 
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