Does ED favor griefing/exploits?

[AnnuverScotinExile]

The issue is nothing to do with the name of the guy - what ship he's flying, whether he's killed me or anybody else.

The issue is - does Frontier accept griefing as a valid form of gameplay? really really simple, and this exact question was in the OP of the thread that got deleted.

That's what I want to know - is it acceptable to do or not? if someone can say - maybe it would help.............................

It would certainly help.

I have asked that question very simply, no videos, no name calling no rant, just simple 'Do you draw a line between playing the psychopath and griefing, and if so where ?'. No response.

I actually have no real problem if they say there is no line and anything goes, as long as they implement the consequences. Saying anything goes but with no consequences will quickly leave them with a game with a terrible reputation and no new players. Michael has said they will implement consequences, but, frankly, they have been saying that since the first set of griefers back in the alpha. Still no sign of them.

 

[Tas Devil]

to be fair, when we have multiple videos of the same wanted commander combat logging over and over for weeks now, is it really a surprise people move on from reporting him to naming and shaming?


If my opponent were constantly cheating, and reporting him did nothing, then the admins might as well ban me instead, because either way it's not worth playing.

Your beef is with ED. And trust me I feel just like you do about the frustration of using the ticket system.

But the forum has rules about naming and shaming. How can this be difficult to understand.

If they start allowing these rules to be broken 'sometimes' it will get very very chaotic and witchy hunty in no time...

 

[Antmax]

If the video had someone behaving badly on screen. There was a no naming or shaming rule on the forum. Don't know it it still exists. But it might have been removed for that reason alone. You can always report someone privately.

 

[Quineloe]

Your beef is with ED. And trust me I feel just like you do about the frustration of using the ticket system.

But the forum has rules about naming and shaming. How can this be difficult to understand.

If they start allowing these rules to be broken 'sometimes' it will get very very chaotic and witchy hunty in no time...

You mean just like in the game right now?

I fully understand the rules. It's not about that, as I have just explained.

Rules are broken there all the time, with obviously zero consequence. FD is acting exactly like every other MMO company in this regard right now, forum rules are enforced with an iron fist, but ingame rules are more like rough guidelines. I don't understand why, you can get free volunteers for both.

I don't N&S here, can do that on reddit well enough.

 

[Sexydino]

But the forum has rules about naming and shaming. How can this be difficult to understand.

I think the point is (which I think you've missed quite spectacularly) is that it's nothing to do with forum rules, or whether there are videos/pictures/names/yada.

People just want an official answer on what's considered legit or not, when it comes to this sort of thing - enough people have been hit by it, I think the community should at least get some sort of indication as to whether it's OK or whether it should be reported.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

If the video had someone behaving badly on screen. There was a no naming or shaming rule on the forum. Don't know it it still exists. But it might have been removed for that reason alone. You can always report someone privately.

Removing the video is fine. Should have been done ages ago. But it looks as if they deleted the whole thread. That is way over the top.

 

[Jerzy7]

The point is the forums are not the place for this. You can make a ticket and link the video but showing the name of the player is not allowed . If you want to provide evidence of any kind of exploit send it to direct to FD don't show it on this forum.

 

[NeoRacer_XOX]

Yep. And doing this inside a station which is supposedly a safe haven is just outright griefing and exploiting. While this continues I will NEVER play open, ever.

Removing the video is fine. Should have been done ages ago. But it looks as if they deleted the whole thread. That is way over the top.

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And how longs that gonna take, if ever? Meanwhile this toolbox gets his lulz

The point is the forums are not the place for this. You can make a ticket and link the video but showing the name of the player is not allowed . If you want to provide evidence of any kind of exploit send it to direct to FD don't show it on this forum.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

I think the point is (which I think you've missed quite spectacularly) is that it's nothing to do with forum rules, or whether there are videos/pictures/names/yada.

People just want an official answer on what's considered legit or not, when it comes to this sort of thing - enough people have been hit by it, I think the community should at least get some sort of indication as to whether it's OK or whether it should be reported.

FD have made it clear that you should report anyone you think is exploiting, hacking or griefing. So report them. Even if you are wrong, and they are not being naughty boys, no harm is done.

 

[Tas Devil]

I think the point is (which I think you've missed quite spectacularly) is that it's nothing to do with forum rules, or whether there are videos/pictures/names/yada.

People just want an official answer on what's considered legit or not, when it comes to this sort of thing - enough people have been hit by it, I think the community should at least get some sort of indication as to whether it's OK or whether it should be reported.

You want them to answer a question about whether or not behaviour specifically addressed in 1.1 is an exploit and was acceptable ?

Why do you think they addressed it in 1.1 if they thought it was acceptable ?

And why would you ask now if the behaviour needs to be reported since it's been patched ?

 

[Sexydino]

Why do you think they addressed it in 1.1 if they thought it was acceptable ?

So, bearing in mind the guy was doing it after the 1.1 update (as was shown in the video) what you're saying is that Frontier have confirmed it's legit, because they haven't fixed it..

I'm sure that would upset *quite a few* people... but if that really is the truth then so be it, but I'd like frontier to confirm.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

Anti-Griefer-Rage-Syndrome?

Probably in some medical journal somewhere. There's a cure. Get on in there and have a go at someone with a wanted tag...

 

[NeoRacer_XOX]

If they want the game to be widely popular and people to play in Open, these kinda things need to be stamped out ASAP. Like it or not they are making an MMO like WOW and to get those kinda player numbers exploits are top priority or who will wanna play it as intended? Im assuming they would like everyone to play in Open even though the option is there to go Solo (thank god)

So, bearing in mind the guy was doing it after the 1.1 update (as was shown in the video) what you're saying is that Frontier have confirmed it's legit, because they haven't fixed it..

I'm sure that would upset *quite a few* people... but if that really is the truth then so be it, but I'd like frontier to confirm.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

You want them to answer a question about whether or not behaviour specifically addressed in 1.1 is an exploit and was acceptable ?

Why do you think they addressed it in 1.1 if they thought it was acceptable ?

And why would you ask now if the behaviour needs to be reported since it's been patched ?

Of more interest to me is whether they have done anything other than the patches in 1.1. Those patches were fixing bugs, design oversights and poor balance. All necessary, all very welcome. But is that it? From where I sit the behaviour was definitely griefing, and probably exploiting. So were there meta-game consequences (bans, dumps into griefer hell, etc)? Were there in-game consequences (huge bounties, NPC police escalations, etc)? If not, then all FD have done is rearrange the deckchairs on the Titanic.

 

[kurush]

When it comes the existing cooldown when quitting the game in combat (AFAIK still 15sec), I think that's beeing watched.
The "logoffsky" I thought they did address already in the last Patch (?)

There is no way they can address logoffsky, especially not for PvP. For PvE they can kinda do it (add some penalties if you kill your game while in danger), but that's not why everybody is crying. For PvP after first information about any real penalty issued people will just switch to using firewalls.

 

[Jerzy7]

Since there is no way to tell if a disconnect was deliberate or someone having connection problem the only thing they can do is if a commander disconnects their ship remains for x amount of time . Of course that will just lead to complaints that they got killed cause FD server problems. Cause the problem is always on FD's end lol

 

[Tas Devil]

So, bearing in mind the guy was doing it after the 1.1 update (as was shown in the video) what you're saying is that Frontier have confirmed it's legit, because they haven't fixed it..

I'm sure that would upset *quite a few* people... but if that really is the truth then so be it, but I'd like frontier to confirm.

You are twisting my words to suit your POV.

They addressed the volley of missiles in station exploit/hack whatever you want to call it.

Your videos' showed him doing this after patch 1.1 ?

I don't think so.

If you are talking about logoffski tactics you need to report him to FD. What part do you think is acceptable to FD if they ask you to report it to them ?

Are you the star guest on the Muppet show tonight by any chance ?

 

[Javert]

You want them to answer a question about whether or not behaviour specifically addressed in 1.1 is an exploit and was acceptable ?

Why do you think they addressed it in 1.1 if they thought it was acceptable ?

And why would you ask now if the behaviour needs to be reported since it's been patched ?

I think as quite a few people have started to point out, it's only partially been addressed, because what is becoming more clear is that you can use chaff launchers to evade the station weapons for very long periods of time, allowing you to kill other players in the station. I don't think this has been addressed (yet).

There is also still the question of possible hacking going on. We've seen that you can use exploits to evade station defences, but there are plenty other reports of things happening like hull damage suddenly miraculously repaired in flight and so on. These should be reported to FD with video evidence if available. Unfortunately if you don't have video evidence I doubt they will do anything.

 

[Quineloe]

Since there is no way to tell if a disconnect was deliberate or someone having connection problem the only thing they can do is if a commander disconnects their ship remains for x amount of time . Of course that will just lead to complaints that they got killed cause FD server problems. Cause the problem is always on FD's end lol

They already said that due to the nature of their P2P multiplayer this is not an option.

However, when we have the same commander disappearing as soon as his shields go down over and over and over, it would be naive to claim this was a "connection problem"

 

[Tas Devil]

Since there is no way to tell if a disconnect was deliberate or someone having connection problem the only thing they can do is if a commander disconnects their ship remains for x amount of time . Of course that will just lead to complaints that they got killed cause FD server problems. Cause the problem is always on FD's end lol

It would help if you realised FD doesn't have servers disconnect from for the purpose of PvP...