Or private group. There are mountains of players in groups and some really cool players at that.
Does ED favor griefing/exploits?
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Or private group. There are mountains of players in groups and some really cool players at that.
What's interesting about your last point;
If you look at the CS community - it's literally one of the worst there is, and always has been - the ability to police it properly by a single entity, was simply impossible due to the amount of reports being generated, meanwhile you had stacks of highly ranked legit players volunteering to pick up the baton - and take on the role of actually being the "games police" as you put it, and it has been a big success - whilst it's not perfect, it's beyond any other system, and I think Valve deserve some serious praise for actually trusting the community (which is one of the most awful on the internet) to manage itself.
Bring the problem to the attention of FD on the forums doesn't work;
- you link public videos showing behaviour, asking clarification on whether it's ok or not, (removed because someone's names appeared in the video somewhere)
- you ask whether something is permitted or not (station griefing, or whatever) and there is no reponse from anyone official about it,
*shrugs* idk what else you do, other than keep mashing the report button...
To be honest apart from promoting 'non personal' awareness of the problem here and mashing that button, there is nothing else to do other than wait for FD to act one way or another. At least not without becoming part of the problem
Javert
Volunteer Moderator
I have a question on this naming and shaming thing. FD often publish videos on their newsletter of player performing various cool things and journeys or whatever. Do they explicitly get written permission from every player who appears on the scanner in those videos before they put it in their newsletter?
If not, what's the difference between that and posting a video of someone griefing? If the difference is only the commentary you put against it, then does that mean it's ok to post the video and just say "hey guys what do you think of this cool video" as long as you don't actually say there is anything wrong being done?
If not, what's the difference between that and posting a video of someone griefing? If the difference is only the commentary you put against it, then does that mean it's ok to post the video and just say "hey guys what do you think of this cool video" as long as you don't actually say there is anything wrong being done?
possibly even probably, not sure I have never done anything cool enough
The bottom line is they are not accusing anyone of wrong doing, when posting these videos, and it is their rules that apply to us the customer not necessarily them the developer. It seems even if you did as you say and posted without the commentary the reason you posted it would still end in the same result it would be no different to trying to beat the swear filter in the forum.
Slopey
Volunteer Moderator
The difference is that it's not permitted in the forums as per the forum rules. If you want FD to see it, raise a ticket with the link.
BlackReign
Banned
ED has a special place for you, called solo. Problem. Solved.
Javert
Volunteer Moderator
OK so just so I'm clear, are the forum rules that you can't post a video or link to video that reveals any other player name whatsoever, or only that you can't if they are doing something wrong? i.e. actually you can post a video as long as it only shows NPC ships?
I've always hated "Naming and Shaming" rules.
If someone is going to be a hacker, exploiter, or conduct general baggery...why is it wrong to name them..I always found that stupid policy.
If someone is going to be a hacker, exploiter, or conduct general baggery...why is it wrong to name them..I always found that stupid policy.
the rules as I understand them (regardless of whether I respect them)
Posting a video of ANYBODY showing them doing ANYTHING bad (exploiting/griefing/hacking) and their alias can be seen extracted from it in any shape or form, is against the rules.
It's actually the only place I can think of on the internet relating to video games, that actually enforces such a thing.
Snakebite
Banned
I Like this one ;-) lots of log offs
[video=youtube;JUwgl6ev3bA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUwgl6ev3bA&index=4&list=PL1IPnWNhggJyTId_20pcTx3ukOAKJwm3t[/video]
Slopey
Volunteer Moderator
If you post a video with a context that you're naming and shaming, expect it to be moderated.
If you post a video which is a cool fight you had, or a nice experience, it is fine.
Context is everything...
Because generally it becomes a witch hunt and too often people misinterpret what they see, shout foul and then mud sticks
I think it is far better to avoid it completely and stick to the provided channels/tools and let the developer decide what action to take, if they don't act then not much else you or I can do about it.
Javert
Volunteer Moderator
OK so presumably if you posted the video but blurred out the name of the offending commander, tha would be ok then? Also if you had permission from the offending commander to do it and you had them post in the same thread that they had given permission that would also be ok? Finally if the commander who has done somehing like that posts a video of themselves and says hey look how cool I am, is that ok?
As an aside, I also find it interesting that you are not allowed to name and shame a fake alias name in a computer game. If the person was using their real name I can see, at a stretch that it might be a legal issue. If it's an aliasl like Commander Soggy Sponge or whatever, I can't see it ever getting to court to be honest. Anyway I expect the mods are just enforcing the rules they were given, so that's probably the best you can do.
In fact, the example you give of context it really interesting, because you could have a really cool long fight with someone which ended up with them combat logging. You might say that you really enjoyed the fight, and in spite of the fact that they dispapointingly vanished at the end it was a very enjoyable experience.
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#QTWTAIN.
So is it griefing to deprive me of a cool video of a great fight by combat logging at 50% hull?
I think it's pretty ironic that someone else performing an exploit would prevent me from sharing the fight video
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If you post a video to shame someone who is exploiting via logging off in the middle of combat, then you deserve the shame. You deserve to be banned from the game. They should name horrible characters in Galnet news after your CMDR's name (after you have been banned) and subsequently extoll various consequences against them (sell them into slavery, execute them, exile them on lifeless moons with ear wigs) etc.
Edit: this goes for any other kind of exploiting or hacking like ram hacking the game to have infinite missiles / etc or station camping from the inside etc.
Edit: this goes for any other kind of exploiting or hacking like ram hacking the game to have infinite missiles / etc or station camping from the inside etc.
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Javert
Volunteer Moderator
So is it griefing to deprive me of a cool video of a great fight by combat logging at 50% hull?
I think it's pretty ironic that someone else performing an exploit would prevent me from sharing the fight video
I think they are trying to say that it depends on how you emphasise the video. If you had posted the video with heavy emphasis on how much you enjoyed the fight and what a great game this is and never mentioned the fact that the other player mysteriously vanished when you were winning, or even better stopped the video before that happened, that would be ok. If you post the video with the context of "look at this slime rag logging out as soon as he starts to lose", that's not ok.
The problem is that someone else will then come along and interpret it again, andi if they start commenting on the logging out, it will then be moderated anyway, so it's partly out of your control.
Basically, if it in any way causes a bit of drama and someone *might* get upset about it, then it gets banned.. (but even in the thread that got deleted, the guy came on, named himself and was gloating over the fact he'd generated so much publicity, from exploiting/logging/griefing) all we got were "the rules are the rules, press the report button"
My gut feeling is that there's a severe lack of thought that's gone into how to deal with these entirely predictable scenarios, and in the absence of any decent solution - the only tool left in the box is a ban-hammer and carbon-copy response by the mods.
*shrugs* it is what it is I guess...
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