Does ED favor griefing/exploits?

[Sexydino]

You are twisting my words to suit your POV.

They addressed the volley of missiles in station exploit/hack whatever you want to call it.

Your videos' showed him doing this after patch 1.1 ?

I don't think so.

It showed him sat in the station, in an Anaconda killing players post 1.1 - for almost 40 mins straight (I think), he was using beam lasers - but the fact is, the station couldn't kill him - yet in that time he killed a number of cmdrs, whether he was using missiles or beams or a mining laser - I don't think it matters, he was still able to do it after the patch.

EDIT;

No i'm wrong - the video he linked from 1.1 shows him ramming another player, the video showing him doing it for 40 mins was pre-patch.

 

[Tas Devil]

It showed him sat in the station, in an Anaconda killing players post 1.1 - for almost 40 mins straight (I think), he was using beam lasers - but the fact is, the station couldn't kill him - yet in that time he killed a number of cmdrs, whether he was using missiles or beams or a mining laser - I don't think it matters, he was still able to do it after the patch.

EDIT;

No i'm wrong - the video he linked from 1.1 shows him ramming another player, the video showing him doing it for 40 mins was pre-patch.

Well then you report him to FD... who decide to take action if they judge he was griefing or exploiting the game.

Is it me or are we going around in circle ?

Remind us again, did this CMDR do anything to you ?

Were you one of his victims or were you just trolling you tube, came upon his videos and decided to throw a tantrum on the forums in breach of naming and shaming rules ?

Because if you really wanted an answer from FD on these forums why the need to post videos ? The videos help FD address the player in game... ban him or do whatever they do to people judged to be hacking...

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EDIT;

No i'm wrong - the video he linked from 1.1 shows him ramming another player, the video showing him doing it for 40 mins was pre-patch.

And none of us know of a ramming and collision issues in patch 1.1 ? one FD has said they were eager to address ?

Listen I'm not exactly a huge fan of FD based on what they are doing with ED recently... But you are being obtuse.

And are you even sure the video wasn't from the beta 1.1 test build ?

Again it is best to communicate this to FD and they will address it. Round and round we go...

 

[Sexydino]

Remind us again, did this CMDR do anything to you ?

Were you one of his victims or were you just trolling you tube, came upon his videos and decided to throw a tantrum on the forums in breach of naming and shaming rules ?

Because if you really wanted an answer from FD on these forums why the need to post videos ? The videos help FD address the player in game... ban him or do whatever they do to people judged to be hacking...

Can't be bothered to help you any more lol

 

[Tas Devil]

Can't be bothered to help you any more lol

I'm pretty sure I wasn't the one moaning and asking ED to help me understand something.

But I understand your need to write something to save face.

 

[Slopey]

Ok, that'll do. Play nice or I'll need to close the door on this one...

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

I guess is goes to prove (if it was after 1.1) that some things will not deter people.

 

[Quineloe]

I guess is goes to prove (if it was after 1.1) that some things will not deter people.

No, the video was dated january 23, but we already knew combat logging isn't getting a software solution, so people who abuse it need to be reported still.

The thing is the CMDR in question has been recorded doing this since December, and videos of him doing it are piling up.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

No, the video was dated january 23, but we already knew combat logging isn't getting a software solution, so people who abuse it need to be reported still.

The thing is the CMDR in question has been recorded doing this since December, and videos of him doing it are piling up.

Oh, if it was Combat Logging, then we're in the wrong thread. I thought he was talking about the Station camping, which is why someone else said they dealt with that in 1.1... and why I said... wait... confused!!!

If it's only the Combat Logging, then, with what Sandro has said, he's going to eventually get sanctioned... hard!

 

[Tas Devil]

What this really shows is that even the OP doesn't know what he was complaining about, asking information from ED about etc.

Hey he wasn't even a victim of the 'griefer' he was naming and shaming...

And I bet you he hasn't filed a player report for FD about him either...

 

[Quineloe]

Oh, if it was Combat Logging, then we're in the wrong thread. I thought he was talking about the Station camping, which is why someone else said they dealt with that in 1.1... and why I said... wait... confused!!!

If it's only the Combat Logging, then, with what Sandro has said, he's going to eventually get sanctioned... hard!

The Anaconda tanking a station indefinitely with shield cells?

Not fixed in 1.1, as I've pointed out repeatedly during and after beta, large ships can still stack dozens of those cells, interior guns of a station are weak and once he runs out, he can just run away or exit regularly.

However, that guy has also been reported over and over, and according to the Griefer interview with David Braben last year, he should be actually banned from the game by now - yet that isn't happening, they're already back at it with the latest exploits.

 

[PotatoOverdose]

to be fair, when we have multiple videos of the same wanted commander combat logging over and over for weeks now, is it really a surprise people move on from reporting him to naming and shaming?


If my opponent were constantly cheating, and reporting him did nothing, then the admins might as well ban me instead, because either way it's not worth playing.

So I should just name and shame every single trader that's combat logged on me? I have video evidence too (thank you shadowplay).

This community always displays much outrage when a pirate or "murderer" combat logs, but never the same level of outrage when a trader does it. Why is that type of hypocrisy tolerated?

 

[Sexydino]

So I should just name and shame every single trader that's combat logged on me? I have video evidence too (thank you shadowplay).

This community always displays much outrage when a pirate or "murderer" combat logs, but never the same level of outrage when a trader does it. Why is that type of hypocrisy tolerated?

Fine with me, although obviously not with Frontier.

I think that this whole "naming and shaming" thing has been totally overblown, since when did linking publicly available videos of people playing video games, under alias - constitute "naming and shaming" for pete's sake,

It's not like we're linking their damn credit card details or anything, I wish people would get a grip lol.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

So I should just name and shame every single trader that's combat logged on me? I have video evidence too (thank you shadowplay).

This community always displays much outrage when a pirate or "murderer" combat logs, but never the same level of outrage when a trader does it. Why is that type of hypocrisy tolerated?

No, you should report them. No name and shame.

On the second point, probably because there is perceived to be a double whammy there: in most cases where I have seen it, the murderer has been griefing (and thus exploiting the lack of promised consequences) and then combat logged when someone fought back. But there should be no difference: combat logging is combat logging, and has been declared to be an exploit. Exploiters should be reported.

 

[Kramster]

a) hacking or exploiting is against the EULA rules
b) naming and shaming is against the EULA and forum rules

So someone breaking a) is different to someone breaking b) how exactly?...rules are rules, one does not entitle the other and anyone guilty of b) is no better than someone breaking a)

Report it via ticket then it is up to FD to decide what to do, they know what is going on, probably better than we do

 

[Tas Devil]

Fine with me, although obviously not with Frontier.

I think that this whole "naming and shaming" thing has been totally overblown, since when did linking publicly available videos of people playing video games, under alias - constitute "naming and shaming" for pete's sake,

It's not like we're linking their damn credit card details or anything, I wish people would get a grip lol.

Dodge dodge dodge the topic...

 

[Sexydino]

a) hacking or exploiting is against the EULA rules
b) naming and shaming is against the EULA and forum rules

So someone breaking a) is different to someone breaking b) how exactly?...rules are rules, one does not entitle the other and anyone guilty of b) is no better than someone breaking a)

Report it via ticket then it is up to FD to decide what to do, they know what is going on, probably better than we do

But here's the thing.

I agree with you in principle - if someone is acting up in the game, use the in-game system to report them - that's what it's there for right, seems like the best method?


But the reality in any online game with a thriving community is rather different, if you look at all other online games that have a report system policed by the game developers/owners, it almost always never works. People report like crazy for months on end - yet the perpetrator never seems to stop, it goes on and on - then 6 months down the line maybe he gets banned, or gets his stats reset or something, the guy from the other thread has been reported countless times - but he's still doing it - the system is broken.

And like with battlefield 3/4 quite often only a very small percentage of people will actually report, or will report with meaningful evidence (such as a video of what happened) coupled with the obvious logistical difficulty of having someone sat at a desk looking at these reports all day - it doesn't work and never has, not a single game that I'm aware of, has ever successfully stopped griefer/exploiters with a "report function"

The ONLY game i've ever seen, that has an effective anti-cheat/exploit/grief mechanism, is Valve's overwatch system for CS:GO - where they've farmed out the responsibility of policing the community, TO the community. (a pool of highly ranked players get the evidence and they run the system... and it works better than anything else i've seen)

 

[Quineloe]

So I should just name and shame every single trader that's combat logged on me? I have video evidence too (thank you shadowplay).

This community always displays much outrage when a pirate or "murderer" combat logs, but never the same level of outrage when a trader does it. Why is that type of hypocrisy tolerated?

Do you have video evidence of the same trader combat logging on you after multiple minutes of fighting until his shields go down on january 5th, 8th, 12th, 18th, 23rd?

And your second line is trolling, right? Because I have never seen the majority of this community say anything like "Combat logging is bad when pirates do it but ok when traders do it".

 

[Tas Devil]

Do you have video evidence of the same trader combat logging on you after multiple minutes of fighting until his shields go down on january 5th, 8th, 12th, 18th, 23rd?

And your second line is trolling, right? Because I have never seen the majority of this community say anything like "Combat logging is bad when pirates do it but ok when traders do it".

Doesn't matter... it playing logginski is banned and deemed an exploit all it takes is doing it twice to be punished...

 

[Kramster]

But here's the thing.

I agree with you in principle - if someone is acting up in the game, use the in-game system to report them - that's what it's there for right, seems like the best method?


But the reality in any online game with a thriving community is rather different, if you look at all other online games that have a report system policed by the game developers/owners, it almost always never works. People report like crazy for months on end - yet the perpetrator never seems to stop, it goes on and on - then 6 months down the line maybe he gets banned, or gets his stats reset or something, the guy from the other thread has been reported countless times - but he's still doing it - the system is broken.

And like with battlefield 3/4 quite often only a very small percentage of people will actually report, or will report with meaningful evidence (such as a video of what happened) coupled with the obvious logistical difficulty of having someone sat at a desk looking at these reports all day - it doesn't work and never has, not a single game that I'm aware of, has ever successfully stopped griefer/exploiters with a "report function"

The ONLY game i've ever seen, that has an effective anti-cheat/exploit/grief mechanism, is Valve's overwatch system for CS:GO - where they've farmed out the responsibility of policing the community, TO the community. (a pool of highly ranked players get the evidence and they run the system... and it works better than anything else i've seen)

In many ways I agree but we don't have these other systems in place and breaking one rule in the defence of another is not the way forward. Bring the problem to the attention of FD on the forums without naming names and let them decide the actions, if any, they want to take.
We are not the games police and setting ourselves up as one, without the developers backing, is a bad road to take

 

[SlickReed]

Im guessing so, since they just deleted that video thread with the evidence. I guess you can get away with anything? No offence meant, just my personal opinion. I love ED, hate people who ruin it for others..

If you find a griefer, just go to solo mode. Easy fix.