Sign of things to come? Rampant PK'er/exploiter finds himself exiled

[Xaraman]

It almost sounds like mild autism. That would make a LOT of sense in both cases. From my own experiences with autism (nephew), he has difficulty expressing his own feelings and recognizing the feelings of others. It's like he has feelings (obviously), but completely tunes them out. I suppose this is getting a bit off topic though...

I posted up a little earlier about an article on Cracked.com about gaming addiction that they discussed with an English psychologist who specialises in gaming addiction. One of the first points they made was that some people play MMO games to get a reaction (no matter if good or bad) from other people. The stronger the reaction, the better. But that's the primary reason they are playing. It's not the game, it's the fact that they can garner a reaction from somebody; anybody.

Here's my post with a link to the article:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116120

 

[Mithos09]

No cheating or taking advantage of exploits in the game
...
We also do not tolerate the use of any exploits or the use of any possible bugs in the game to generate player advantage.
Any player caught cheating or taking advantage of any exploits or bugs will be penalise and could face a game ban.

(from: https://store.elitedangerous.com/code-of-conduct/ )

quite clear, already.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

I am expecting to have that ready around the same time, too! Taking our time to get it right.

Thank you. Surprised, but delighted. I may not agree with what you decide, but having clarity would help lots - if only to stop threads like this !

 

[DiAL033]

OMFG, please get your perspectives right. Here is a guy who does the same what thousands of players do every day in hundreds of games and people are suggesting severe brain issues from a very remote POV without knowing anything about that person...

 

[DAYLEET]

OMFG, please get your perspectives right. Here is a guy who does the same what thousands of players do every day in hundreds of games and people are suggesting severe brain issues from a very remote POV without knowing anything about that person...

Id rather they go on, it's quite entertaining, you can smell the insecurities and the fear in their post and in the end they feel better so everybody wins.

 

[TheDayman]

Yep reading it, it does. Specifically Asperger syndrome.

It's why I hate people going around here shouting PSYCHOPATH at everyone. It means they don't truly understand what a sociopath is and are just using the generic media-laden term to push their own prejudices.

For a start they should really go away and watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pROu77TvZzA

Anyway to come back on point here, yes sounds like Asperger syndrome



It's why gaming attracts many people who suffer from it. Because it's not only a hidden disability, but also the player is hidden behind the anonymity of the internet in general it upsets me when people go around shouting it, and in a way maybe some of them also suffer from it because they don't understand that they are showing signs of a lack of social communication.

People need to lay off using that word around here.

That's a very powerful video - I'm about 20 minutes into it and it certainly carries a powerful message. Anyways, I do completely agree. We may all be faceless people on the internet streaming data to others, but there's still a human being behind the data.

Great videos by the way. I'm a huge fan of your work.

I posted up a little earlier about an article on Cracked.com about gaming addiction that they discussed with an English psychologist who specialises in gaming addiction. One of the first points they made was that some people play MMO games to get a reaction (no matter if good or bad) from other people. The stronger the reaction, the better. But that's the primary reason they are playing. It's not the game, it's the fact that they can garner a reaction from somebody; anybody.

Here's my post with a link to the article:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116120

Interesting article - I'll have to take a read once I'm finished with the video Titus Balls posted.

 

[Corwyn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater

This is exactly what I'm saying.

 

[jabberwalkie]

OMFG, please get your perspectives right. Here is a guy who does the same what thousands of players do every day in hundreds of games and people are suggesting severe brain issues from a very remote POV without knowing anything about that person...

This post is hilarious, and probably not for the intended purpose..... Telling someone their perspective on stated rules in the TOS is wrong because it happens in other games day in and day out....

 

[Raafe]

I posted up a little earlier about an article on Cracked.com about gaming addiction that they discussed with an English psychologist who specialises in gaming addiction. One of the first points they made was that some people play MMO games to get a reaction (no matter if good or bad) from other people. The stronger the reaction, the better. But that's the primary reason they are playing. It's not the game, it's the fact that they can garner a reaction from somebody; anybody.

Here's my post with a link to the article:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116120

He's definitely not autistic. He's just a guy that has no idea, or is not interested in getting along with anybody and clearly enjoys getting a rise out of people. I see him do that same thing in meetings. He purposefully pushes people into a confrontation when he can and then tries to bully his way out of things when he gets into trouble. If he wasn't a government employee, he would have been fired a couple of times in the past 3 years. Don't get me wrong, as I have never been on the receiving end, it can be quite amusing sometimes to watch, and I've seen his victims in game spaz out way beyond what I would consider normal behavior as well, but he clearly has some kind of problem.

Edit: Oh, but yes, watching him take time at work to read his videogame hatemail is pretty entertaining, for multiple reasons.

 

[Corwyn]

I think you should should probably read some of the points brought up. Language in and of itself isn't necessarily illegal, but by playing the game you enter into an agreement via the EULA/licensing agreement to certain standards and conduct to be held to.

That's exactly what I'm saying, this is NOT a 1st Amendment issue, as it's regarding private parties.

Someone tried to state that it is 1st Amendment issue, they are incorrect.

 

[DiAL033]

This post is hilarious, and probably not for the intended purpose..... Telling someone their perspective on stated rules in the TOS is wrong because it happens in other games day in and day out....

Who said anything about the rules, my point was about making assumptions about the mental/physical state the person in question is in by his/hers behaviour in a computer game?!

 

[Titus Balls]

He's definitely not autistic. He's just a guy that has no idea, or is not interested in getting along with anybody and clearly enjoys getting a rise out of people. I see him do that same thing in meetings. He purposefully pushes people into a confrontation when he can and then tries to bully his way out of things when he gets into trouble. If he wasn't a government employee, he would have been fired a couple of times in the past 3 years. Don't get me wrong, as I have never been on the receiving end, it can be quite amusing sometimes to watch, and I've seen his victims in game spaz out way beyond what I would consider normal behavior as well, but he clearly has some kind of problem.

Edit: Oh, but yes, watching him take time at work to read his videogame hatemail is pretty entertaining, for multiple reasons.

Obviously you're giving a text description, I've never met him and I'm not a psychologist - so I could only base it on experience.

The other "label" could be he has Antisocial personality disorder:

* Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
* Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
* Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
* Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
* Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
* Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

But again, that doesn't mark him outright as a sociopath.

The other point I am making in this of course is that not all players who enjoy PvP in this, or other games, also fall into any of these categories. There is a difference between enjoying a game that involved PvP interaction and going out your way to hurt and humiliate people - but all to often people around here grab on to the second one and shout it from the rooftops.

 

[jabberwalkie]

Who said anything about the rules, my point was about making assumptions about the mental/physical state the person in question is in by his/hers behaviour in a computer game?!

Oh I don't know, the previous 30 pages of the thread which was discussing the possible reasons for why such a thing would happen to the player/CMDR to be sent to Coventry or into exile from other players?

That's exactly what I'm saying, this is NOT a 1st Amendment issue, as it's regarding private parties.

Someone tried to state that it is 1st Amendment issue, they are incorrect.

Oh I agree. That reply was directed towards Darshu.

 

[shadragon]

If this is true, please take this as my 'I quit' message.

Don't quit skip. As one of the few voices of reason on the board I find your stuff a lot more engaging than most. Too bad I can't rep at the rate I want to.

Don't let the inmates end up running the asylum.

 

[Kalearne]

Don't quit skip. As one of the few voices of reason on the board I find your stuff a lot more engaging than most. Too bad I can't rep at the rate I want to.

Don't let the inmates end up running the asylum.

I'm not trying to speak for Skip but I took the comment as an expression of frustration. Our unsubstantiated information was that the offender was shunted into either permasolo or a naughty pilot instance, then the information a few hours later was the restrictions were lifted. From that the impression is that ED aren't too bothered about enforcing their own rules. I'm not too keen on playing under those circumstances either.

It's worth remembering though, this is entirely hearsay right now

 

[Raafe]

Obviously you're giving a text description, I've never met him and I'm not a psychologist - so I could only base it on experience.

The other "label" could be he has Antisocial personality disorder:



But again, that doesn't mark him outright as a sociopath

Lol, he exhibits most if not all of those traits here at work. If I only worked with him, I'd just say he was a first class d-bag, but having seen him push people, both in text chat and TeamSpeak, he's definitely got a screw or two loose. I've heard him say things that I'm pretty sure would get him in real trouble if reported.

Anyway, having personal experience with him, I have no patience for other's who play games like he does.

 

[Soon(TM)]

This is unacceptable from Frontier. Its a game, why cant someone play it as they want, he didnt cheat, he wanted to take on the role of a psycho killer and kill everyone and everything. Whats wrong with that, we get encouraged to use our imaginations but when we do, if it doesnt fit their regime we get banned or suspended? This is just another nail in the coffin. What a joke. This game has 400 BILLION stars, if people dont want to be griefed they can FLY AWAY to another area and the chances of meeting another griefer ar TINY. I just cant understand what FD are even trying here; theyre saying BLAZE YOUR OWN TRAIL - but dont upset anyone or we will ban you! Im quickly becoming tired of this and every day i log in here, read some of the new threads and it just makes me want to hang up my flight stick and walk away. If things keep going like this i might just do that..... Im just shocked, i really am.....

 

[Titus Balls]

Lol, he exhibits most if not all of those traits here at work. If I only worked with him, I'd just say he was a first class d-bag, but having seen him push people, both in text chat and TeamSpeak, he's definitely got a screw or two loose. I've heard him say things that I'm pretty sure would get him in real trouble if reported.

Anyway, having personal experience with him, I have no patience for other's who play games like he does.

Oh, I totally agree. While the block mechanism doesn't guarantee you won't ever be instanced with these types it goes a long way and can certainly stop harassing communications. Certainly in our group we admin against allowing this behaviour on a group level, once they are out sadly we cannot stop their behaviour.

I understand why FD don't want us naming-and-shaming over here, but there are other places that their names can be made available to others (but of course the concern is someone with a grudge to bear on someone can put their name there when they have done nothing wrong).

The other concern is their types are looked upon as "anti-heros" until it all goes wrong. I'm thinking Erotica-1, James 315, etc (for what it's worth I DON'T put Helicity Boson in that category - yes I am aware of Hulkageddon but I've seen what he's like outside the game and nothing points to any of this behaviour). If you don't know who these people are it might be worth a google (basically IRL driving people to near suicide - that's beyond the scope of the game or any game).

 

[RealNC]

So Elite is officially a carebear's game.

Good job, FD. Banning players for playing the game the way it's fun for them. Without cheating. Really, marvelous job.

You designed a game where people are allowed to kill everyone, anywhere, but then you ban them for actually doing so.

What the hell were you thinking?

 

[Midian27]

This is unacceptable from Frontier. Its a game, why cant someone play it as they want, he didnt cheat, he wanted to take on the role of a psycho killer and kill everyone and everything. Whats wrong with that, we get encouraged to use our imaginations but when we do, if it doesnt fit their regime we get banned or suspended? This is just another nail in the coffin. What a joke. This game has 400 BILLION stars, if people dont want to be griefed they can FLY AWAY to another area and the chances of meeting another griefer ar TINY. I just cant understand what FD are even trying here; theyre saying BLAZE YOUR OWN TRAIL - but dont upset anyone or we will ban you! Im quickly becoming tired of this and every day i log in here, read some of the new threads and it just makes me want to hang up my flight stick and walk away. If things keep going like this i might just do that..... Im just shocked, i really am.....

His actions aren't the issue here, most dont find fault with him killing in stations. Its the verbal abuse and repeated use of exploits that are the issue here.