Yup to both. They will only get to do that once, so I hope they made enough in pre-orders to allow the studio to continue & fix the game (if it is fixable). No way will people be pre-ordering in numbers from Egosoft again.
The X-Rebirth Thread
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Yup to both. They will only get to do that once, so I hope they made enough in pre-orders to allow the studio to continue & fix the game (if it is fixable). No way will people be pre-ordering in numbers from Egosoft again.
Not sure about that. Looks like trading, the core piece of X, got severely destroyed:
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=348383
Trading and empire building was THE main feature of the series, and they hobbled it! Killing trade in a X game is like removing the guns in a first person shooter.
Looks to me like they wanted to appease the "casuals" first and foremost, and it's not an issue of development hell as such (surely in 7 years they could have made a better trading system, they have the experience). The apparent abundance of mini-games hints at that direction as well.
Too bad the casuals don't seem to like it much either.
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just read this on the X-R steam forum, made me laugh..
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Definitely a lesson in not trying to please an imaginary demographic, I'm rather glad I hesitated to pull the trigger on buying this one.
Give it 6 months and a swathe of patches and it'll be...what am I saying? ED will be out by then and my life in other games will be over
Give it 6 months and a swathe of patches and it'll be...what am I saying? ED will be out by then and my life in other games will be over
Such a shame to see a great game ruined
I would have bought XR if ED had missed the KS target back in Jan.
I spent hundreds of hours in each X3 and every time I ended up making complexes and having fleets of ships at my beck and call. Enjoyed every moment of it too.
To take just that set of features away is like ripping one of my legs off and smacking me round the face with it.
Then to make it a console port (apologies if it isn't, but from what I've seen, the textures look hideously low res), well that's kicking my remaining leg from under me!
I would have bought XR if ED had missed the KS target back in Jan.
I spent hundreds of hours in each X3 and every time I ended up making complexes and having fleets of ships at my beck and call. Enjoyed every moment of it too.
To take just that set of features away is like ripping one of my legs off and smacking me round the face with it.
Then to make it a console port (apologies if it isn't, but from what I've seen, the textures look hideously low res), well that's kicking my remaining leg from under me!
Wow, even the most basic ship commands are gone.
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=348271
Incredible!
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=348271
Incredible!
We're also seeing a difference, or will be seeing a difference from the older more traditional development and release model which Rebirth followed and those of ED/SC where backers and early adopters not only offer feedback via the forums, but will have access to early builds to try to a wider than normal circle of users.
Even if something horrible is implemented early in the process it can be corrected before release, one example undergoing this process is Godus.
Even if something horrible is implemented early in the process it can be corrected before release, one example undergoing this process is Godus.
I TRIED VERY HARD to play for 2-3 hours. I have no desire to start game again.
One of the biggest disappointments in last 3-4 years.
I want my money back.... E&D and SC should have it.
One of the biggest disappointments in last 3-4 years.
I want my money back.... E&D and SC should have it.
Hard to tell whether Godus will be corrected enough though. It's got a long way to go, and at some point the income will fail them. That's one of the good things about Frontier... They've hopefully got fresh income coming in with the release of Zoo Tycoon (along with whatever other projects they're involved with that are still under NDA) to actually afford to keep Elite running in gamma until it's right. Some of these projects are living on borrowed time.
So, you lot going to be like this if ED doesn't fulfill your every, whim, beck and call? Might I remind you lot, EVE (for all it's haters) started out rough back in the the early days yet has made a killing money wise. Yes, even "with" an alpha and beta test done by hundreds at the time. Like all complex games there were still problems with it when it went full release. And yes, "shock horror!" it needed constant patching. I think some of you lot here are being a tad bit unrealistic with your expectations.
I have to say that the "highway system" is the dumbest thing ever - i have been spending 1½hour trying to get my freighter unstuck from a traffic jam in the highway system and now i give up.
That system is just a ticking gamebraking bug!
Could't they just have used some good old superspeed stuff instead of making actual lanes that your ai ships find hard to navigate.
That system is just a ticking gamebraking bug!
Could't they just have used some good old superspeed stuff instead of making actual lanes that your ai ships find hard to navigate.
I think the vehemence here derives from how far from any previous X project X:R has deviated. Added to which all the preview footage/information neatly sidestepped the issues that have been painfully apparent in the finished article. It's not just a small and vocal section of the gaming community that are slating this title - almost no one (who has expressed an opinion) likes it, not the hardcore X faithful, nor the more casual gamers that the game was supposedly catered to attract.
As a long term Egosoft supporter, who has learnt to accept that their X games are generally facing at least a few post release patches before reaching their potential, this still looks to me to be an ill considered venture, released in an unfinished state and one that has deliberately misled it's customers. If ED was launched in a similar manner (which I'm convinced it wont be), a similar level of criticism would be as justified.
All depends if there's a good game in there waiting to come out. If it's broken from day one, I'll slowly walk away from the game with my head bowed and the corner of my eye moistened by a tear. Feel free to play the violin.
If it shows promise, I'll forgive all manner of rough edges, niggles, and even a few big problems. Godus is a game where they've got a good enough engine, but the actual gameplay is woefully lacking, with very little to do and seemingly based around an uninspiring multiplayer experience. It's hard to see how they'll correct it without spending more development time than they've got cash to pay for (not that I've seen their accounts). I've not played X: Rebirth, so can't comment on that.
No, but if it sucks, we should feel free to say it sucks!
If they released it retail, in an unfinished, unstable & unplayable state - then yes. It's something that worried me greatly when FD were being held to the March 2014 deadline, and continuing to be certain that they'd make it.
But it's clear that this scenario isn't going to happen here. The gamma phase will put paid to that. And there will be a beta phase too, where a sizeable number of backers will get the chance to play the entire game for a while & offer feedback. And trust me, if something really sucks, FD will hear about it.
And they should welcome that.This is completely different to what Egosoft have done with XR. They have always had a very loyal following - it staggers me that they didn't do what FD have done with theirs; utilise them, let them play the game for a decent length of time before release, and give opinions. Instead, it's been clouded in secrecy. What few things leaked out about it prior to release have raised eyebrows, but not much else, because nobody had seen how it all was supposed to fit together in this "new" game.
"We must trust the developers - after all, they have made a game we love before now!"
It's obvious now why that was. And it's a shame really, because 'X' was (is) a good game.
I've played X series since day one. Loved em. Yeah they had bugs but they got worked out. From everything I've read prior to the game and everything I've read, talked about, etc since the games release. It seems like a bad movie. They put out a movie promo that uses cuts from the movie and stuff that is not even in the movie (yes Hollywood has actually done that multiple times) put it out as fact. Then when you go to see the movie, it sucks canal water. The movie is nothing like the previews and the cut scenes are entirely out of context. I am so sad at this. I wanted to like this so much. What a letdown. I don't even know what they could do at this point to save face. For me it actually is a sad day in gaming. Especially a sad day for the X series.
Hamerstein, Juniper ...
are we playing the same game? Or are you just allowing yourselves to get caught up in the hyperbole raving going on in the egosoft threads currently? I've just plonked 13 hours into the game to see all these so called terrible terrible things I keep hearing about, guess what? I don't see it, it may not be X:TC but I'm still having fun with the thing, hence being able to plonk 13 hours into it.
I just saw a thread on google supposedly "Egosoft apologise for the state of X Rebirth – Bugs being investigated" I mean like wft?
I have a very high end pc, self built ... nope, no performance problems here with everything set to max settings. What gives?
Errr? when? Seems I'm not some of them.
Had this happen once on the entrance to the vent, didn't know how to deal with it so I reloaded the game. Have a sort of problem happen the same way on a station when I opened to many locker door in a narrow space and got stuck. Though I quickly figured out I don't have to reload a saved game, just hit return, select the crew option, then exit from platform to re-enter the ship ... very easy work around that two to three brain cells could work out.
Never had or seen this problem here in 13 hours, plenty of free drives and its loaded a SSD.
Never happened.
Running 64 bit Windows 7 here with (4 x 8GB) mushkin blackline's for 32GB, memory overkill basically.
Seems I've only ever played on the 1.12 patch version, steam sorted that, so nothing to add.
Again, 13 hours of play, never had this happen. Pre-patch problems maybe?
Errr? Nope, never ... she bounces and take a bit of shield damage.
Yes and yes.
Always.
Not needed.
Again not needed.
Just took a bit of time to figure out how the comms work between ships, no problem ... where's the issue?
Never seen this problem.
I was a a bit shocked by the state of the mapping system in the beginning but 13 hours later, I understand what they were going for and it make sense, so no issues with it now. If they are looking to improve it more, cool. I think the problem in the beginning was the map was empty, I hadn't been anywhere to in didn't make much sense when looked at, that not the case now.
this I understood before I started play, I saw the dev vids describing it? Didn't other out there? Mind boggling that people are still whining about this, it is not X:TC.
Lets face it, X has always been crap in this area ... it's an X thing, I couldn't care less.
oooh ... OR VR.
Hmmm... had no problems using the current control settings for anything so far.
Hmmm? Okay, in their own time, no biggy.
Why would I want to do that? I'm playing story mode for a reason. If I didn't want the story I have gone for the open game option in the beginning. People get a game with two settings, then whine about it when to choose the wrong mode to play?
Don't play with joystick or gamepad (though I have them both) mouse and keys always seem best for me in past X games, same here. So I've experienced no issues.
Final note.
Could it be that a lot of people are just trying to play this game with a lacking system on 32 bit windows?
Minimum:
OS: Windows 8 (64-bit), Windows 7 SP1 (64-bit), Vista SP2 (64-bit), XP SP2 (64-bit)
Processor: Intel i-Series at 2GHz or AMD equivalent
Memory: 4 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia GT400 series with 512MB RAM or better, ATI 4870HD with 512MB RAM or better
DirectX: Version 9.0c
Hard Drive: 8 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card
Additional Notes: These specs are still being determined
Taking it Egosoft are having to repeat this in the above, maybe some should have read the spec before buying the game? Taking it that ED will be 64 bit, what the betting there is going to be the same issue screamed out here come alpha, beta, gamma and release. Anyone want to take bets?
are we playing the same game? Or are you just allowing yourselves to get caught up in the hyperbole raving going on in the egosoft threads currently? I've just plonked 13 hours into the game to see all these so called terrible terrible things I keep hearing about, guess what? I don't see it, it may not be X:TC but I'm still having fun with the thing, hence being able to plonk 13 hours into it.
I just saw a thread on google supposedly "Egosoft apologise for the state of X Rebirth – Bugs being investigated" I mean like wft?
Listening to the English version and in 13 hours not heard a problem in voice recordings, what gives?
So, it's a German thing?
I have a very high end pc, self built ... nope, no performance problems here with everything set to max settings. What gives?
Errr? when? Seems I'm not some of them.
Had this happen once on the entrance to the vent, didn't know how to deal with it so I reloaded the game. Have a sort of problem happen the same way on a station when I opened to many locker door in a narrow space and got stuck. Though I quickly figured out I don't have to reload a saved game, just hit return, select the crew option, then exit from platform to re-enter the ship ... very easy work around that two to three brain cells could work out.
Never had or seen this problem here in 13 hours, plenty of free drives and its loaded a SSD.
Never happened.
Running 64 bit Windows 7 here with (4 x 8GB) mushkin blackline's for 32GB, memory overkill basically.
Never had this happen.
Seems I've only ever played on the 1.12 patch version, steam sorted that, so nothing to add.
Again, 13 hours of play, never had this happen. Pre-patch problems maybe?
Errr? Nope, never ... she bounces and take a bit of shield damage.
Yes and yes.
Always.
Not needed.
Again not needed.
Just took a bit of time to figure out how the comms work between ships, no problem ... where's the issue?
Never seen this problem.
I was a a bit shocked by the state of the mapping system in the beginning but 13 hours later, I understand what they were going for and it make sense, so no issues with it now. If they are looking to improve it more, cool. I think the problem in the beginning was the map was empty, I hadn't been anywhere to in didn't make much sense when looked at, that not the case now.
this I understood before I started play, I saw the dev vids describing it? Didn't other out there? Mind boggling that people are still whining about this, it is not X:TC.
Lets face it, X has always been crap in this area ... it's an X thing, I couldn't care less.
oooh ... OR VR. Hmmm... had no problems using the current control settings for anything so far.
Hmmm? Okay, in their own time, no biggy.
Why would I want to do that? I'm playing story mode for a reason. If I didn't want the story I have gone for the open game option in the beginning. People get a game with two settings, then whine about it when to choose the wrong mode to play?
Don't play with joystick or gamepad (though I have them both) mouse and keys always seem best for me in past X games, same here. So I've experienced no issues.
Final note.
Could it be that a lot of people are just trying to play this game with a lacking system on 32 bit windows?
Minimum:
OS: Windows 8 (64-bit), Windows 7 SP1 (64-bit), Vista SP2 (64-bit), XP SP2 (64-bit)
Processor: Intel i-Series at 2GHz or AMD equivalent
Memory: 4 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia GT400 series with 512MB RAM or better, ATI 4870HD with 512MB RAM or better
DirectX: Version 9.0c
Hard Drive: 8 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card
Additional Notes: These specs are still being determined
Taking it Egosoft are having to repeat this in the above, maybe some should have read the spec before buying the game? Taking it that ED will be 64 bit, what the betting there is going to be the same issue screamed out here come alpha, beta, gamma and release. Anyone want to take bets?
I tend to agree with you PacalB.
It does take a few hours to start having fun with this game (I mean gameplay fun, obviously graphics and scale are jaw-dropping from the get-go)...but that's how every Egosoft game is, and it's the way things will always be. To enjoy a fine wine such as the X series, one must have the patience to acquire the taste.
These games are for those with that patience. If ES was looking to embrace the casual users, they failed. But that's fine with me. They are good at depth, so keep doing it. And IMO, despite not being casual-friendly, X:R is significantly easier to play than all previous.
I've sunk about 10 hours and...having just boarded and stolen my second cap ship, with budding aspirations to become a station owner....I'm having an absolute blast.
It's rough, to be sure. But not as rough as those who spend 30 minutes with it and give in to ragequit would have you believe.
PS ~ Performance is an issue for most people, including myself (I have a high-end rig but not ultra-high-end). But it's certainly playable!
PPS ~ For all those who are complaining about not knowing how to do something, I know it's a bizarre idea but try glancing at the user manual It explained everything I was confused about in a fairly concise fashion!
It does take a few hours to start having fun with this game (I mean gameplay fun, obviously graphics and scale are jaw-dropping from the get-go)...but that's how every Egosoft game is, and it's the way things will always be. To enjoy a fine wine such as the X series, one must have the patience to acquire the taste.
These games are for those with that patience. If ES was looking to embrace the casual users, they failed. But that's fine with me. They are good at depth, so keep doing it. And IMO, despite not being casual-friendly, X:R is significantly easier to play than all previous.
I've sunk about 10 hours and...having just boarded and stolen my second cap ship, with budding aspirations to become a station owner....I'm having an absolute blast.
It's rough, to be sure. But not as rough as those who spend 30 minutes with it and give in to ragequit would have you believe.
PS ~ Performance is an issue for most people, including myself (I have a high-end rig but not ultra-high-end). But it's certainly playable!
PPS ~ For all those who are complaining about not knowing how to do something, I know it's a bizarre idea but try glancing at the user manual
It explained everything I was confused about in a fairly concise fashion!