The X-Rebirth Thread

Riandor

Riandor
I am afraid there is a trend in modern gamers whereby if something isn't perfect at release, the level of flaming is merciless.

I purchased Total War: Rome II and it had bugs... Multiplayer was horrible. I left it for a couple of weeks, came back and hey presto it was solved. I went on the forums, i explained my issues, without the flame and added my voice to those adding sensible feedback.

But the forums were full of those demanding refunds, claiming they were mislead, betrayed and so forth, its embarrassing. Is it any wonder games companies move to console games, where the hardware is all the same?

I love the PC for games, but it has a tough tough crowd, who honestly have a very selective memory about how unbuggy games were back in their day... Which simply wasnt true.
 

manifold

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Riandor said:
But the forums were full of those demanding refunds, claiming they were mislead, betrayed and so forth, its embarrassing. Is it any wonder games companies move to console games, where the hardware is all the same?
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This is really a key point...and also, when games are judged so quickly on surface details, is it any wonder that AAA companies simply put all of their budget into the surface details, leaving hollow shells of games? Not really :(

Tough situation. We want to be pleased early and often...but it seems the companies that focus on the former get more attention :rolleyes:
 

Vreynn

V
I'm ten hours in and I feel like I've barely even scratched the surface of this game. I've only visited two systems, and haven't even really started exploring the wilderness outside of the stations yet. I'm having an absolute blast. I'm getting the same sort of sensation I had being let loose in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. I joke to my friends that I'm playing Space Skyrim, warts and all. In our context this is a positive attribute.

So far I've only really experienced three bugs. Sometimes the ship's animations stop. The chairs won't spin, the doors won't open, but more importantly, the computer screen doesn't pop up. Sometimes reloading seems to cause the mouse cursor to disappear. I get an occasional crash while quicksaving. The system is well beyond recommended specs. It isn't a big real really, my experience with prior X-games is that the developers patch and refine their games, and the worst thing I have to deal with in the meantime is restarting the game occasionally.

I'm told that having experienced these bugs, I should transform into a were-gamer. A raving lunatic calling for the deaths of the developers and declaring the genre of PC gaming, or gaming in general to be completely dead, or the world is ending in general.

Not being a proper gamer, I've failed to feel like my world is ending. Even if X-Rebirth were unplayable for me, I'd have either emailed a polite bug list (with steps to recreate the issue) or politely asked for a refund. To this day, several decades after I became a gamer, and a couple since I got online, I haven't yet figured out how spewing bile into a public forum is productive. Maybe someday!
 

rgb_astro

rgb_astro
Riandor said:
But the forums were full of those demanding refunds, claiming they were mislead, betrayed and so forth, its embarrassing. Is it any wonder games companies move to console games, where the hardware is all the same?

I love the PC for games, but it has a tough tough crowd, who honestly have a very selective memory about how unbuggy games were back in their day... Which simply wasnt true.
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Buggy games are hardly ever released for consoles. They go through so many circles of quality assurance hell you can't imagine. So, in this particular case what EGOSOFT is doing is using its fan base as free QA team to flesh out bugs and then launch the game on consoles in 4-5 months time.

£40 for doing QA work? Are you frigging bloody kidding me? £40 for buggy game?
 
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rgb_astro

rgb_astro
PacalB said:
What's the old saying? Opinion are like a-holes everyone has one. Many out here think the game is okay and are willing to give it a chance, me included.
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Jee no problem giving it a chance. EGOSOFT is just releasing the game in very un-ethical way.
 
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Im_Lost

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Damn this game is BAD. I played the original X game and it's not even as good as that was (ignoring graphics etc obviously). For something that costs £40 to buy and apparently took 7 years to make it's a joke.
 
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Commander Mick

Commander Mick
Alien said:
Oh ... I forgot to mention two bad points about Rebirth ... ONE ship ... yes only one. You cannot fly any other ship. And you can only buy the game through Steam.

Now, me personally I don't like having to have a separate program running just to allow me to play my games, even when offline. When I found out Rebirth was Steam only I put "Steam = No Sale" in my sig in protest. I have tried Steam, I hate it. I have only two games on Steam, and one of those I bought again on gog.com
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No exactly true, as I have ordered mine as a physical dvd outside of Steam

Though, I still do have to wait longer to play mine. They won't be sending it to me until January next year.

I think it's available on Steam right now.

I like Steam and have quite a collection their games.
 

PacalB

PacalB
rgb_astro said:
Buggy games are hardly ever released for consoles. They go through so many circles of quality assurance hell you can't imagine. So, in this particular case what EGOSOFT is doing is using its fan base as free QA team to flesh out bugs and then launch the game on consoles in 4-5 months time.

£40 for doing QA work? Are you frigging bloody kidding me? £40 for buggy game?
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Mate, if you think consoles games are hardly every released in a buggy state you're in dreamland. Please don't make me have to list a number of high end console games that were buggy as hell on release just to prove a point. Your statement is factually untrue and flawed.

As for Egosoft using their player base, I'm one of many of that base (who has all their games and has played them extensively). Guess what? I like many who are enjoying the game ... don't feel used!
 
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PacalB

PacalB
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Damn this game is BAD. I played the original X game and it's not even as good as that was (ignoring graphics etc obviously). For something that costs £40 to buy and apparently took 7 years to make it's a joke.
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A bit of a vacuous comment possibly made by someone who probably hasn't even played it? I mean, you say you played the past games? Let's see, time and effort was needed to get "anything" out of those past games. You given this so called BAD game the same time? Highly doubtful.

If you were following the game before it's release you'd have known what was coming your way, so that said ... you still put out £40 for it? That's quite laughable really, as a so called player of their other games. Well that or you really haven't played the thing and are just spewing to to join in with the other hysterical crybabies throwing their toys out of their prams.

Anyway, more power to you, scream away. lol
 

ianw

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Well I'm quite enjoying it now. Had a system crash yesterday but that may have been something to do with uninstalled Windows updates - since those were installed it's been fine.

No performance issues - running very smoothly though my machine is only a couple of months old and is a decent spec. Like the graphics and the busy feel with lots of stuff going on.

Found the docking menu difficult to access at first but got used to that - was also slightly confused by opening all these apparently empty boxes until I realised the little window top left told me what I was getting.

The NPC avatars are what they are - but not having any problems with them.

Both Joystick and Gamepad are useless but keyboard and mouse appears to be doing what it's supposed to.

So in short I'm not experiencing any of the menu or other bugs that seem to be affecting others.

Read the manual cover to cover and am starting to get a feel for it...

I've no doubt ED will be better - but this is fine in the meantime.
 

Sagan Ross

Sagan Ross
PacalB said:
What's the old saying? Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one. Many out here think the game is okay and are willing to give it a chance, me included.
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Good for you, I'm glad that somebody is getting some enjoyment out of this game, I on the other is not enjoying the game and i feel perfectly fine voicing that opinion.
 

Slawkenbergius

Slawkenbergius
I do feel sorry for Egosoft that the game is getting negatively compared to games that aren't even out yet. It seems like the best game is always going to be the one that's not been released.

Until it gets released and turns out to be so much less than you had imagined...
 

Juniper

Juniper
PacalB said:
Hamerstein, Juniper ...

are we playing the same game? Or are you just allowing yourselves to get caught up in the hyperbole raving going on in the egosoft threads currently?
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Actually, I didn't read any of the threads until much later. I just find the game unpleasant to play... not something I ever had an issue with before (I even went back to X3:TC to check that it wasn't just me being grumpy) with 'X' games. The lack of joystick support is huge. I'll probably give it another go when they fix that aspect.

Glad you're having fun with it. It's simply not grabbing me though.
 

manifold

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Sagan Ross said:
Also how is anybody going to finfd their way around in this massive universe : http://roguey.co.uk/xrebirth/universe/

/irony.
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Lol come on, you and everyone else who takes a second to play the game know that's not the truth :rolleyes:

Each of those regions is massive. Four sectors, each sector containing many large zones (which are comparable to the old sectors). It's a lot of space. Yes, I'm OK with having four massive regions in the game....haven't even had time to get out of Albion yet and I'm 15 hours in..... ;)

Good lord people will complain about anything once the negativity train gets going... :rolleyes:

Glad I haven't heard anyone take a shot at Zakharov's wonderful score for the game yet.
 
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