Python Vs Clipper

[Xious]

I finally traded in my Clipper and bought the Python last night thinking that it would be great.

I have to say.... I'm not really impressed... kinda disappointed actually .

It's nice that it has more cargo space but that is pretty much negated by the ridiculous fuel consumption.

The Clipper traveling 17 LY uses about $1,400 or so, worth of fuel.

The Python uses a whopping $28,000 or so for the same trip... seriously?

Python maxes at 276 cargo space so even with a trade route that pays $1000 profit per ton, you have to subtract $56,000 from from your profit, per round trip.

The Clipper has a max 232 cargo space so... with the decreased fuel consumption, effectively it's only about 17 ton of space behind the Python.

The look of the Clipper is superior. I can't judge the feel fairly yet since I haven't added a lot of upgrades but with both ships at default stock condition, the Clipper comes out on top there too.

The Python has one more Large Hard point than the Clipper but even using just Pulse Lasers, the Clipper melts Sidewinders, Eagles, Adders, and Vipers almost instantly. It takes a little longer for Cobras but not much.

The bigger ships take a little longer of course but they still go quick.

Clipper has better speed also.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

If combat in large ships is your goal - make them all A+ Grade and don't look back. And never underestimate the value of maximum armor - it's the difference of dying while trying to run away - or surprising your enemy by staying in combat while taking minimal damage.
Mirrored Surface or Reactive Armor makes all the difference - once the Cell Bank game is over. When the real battle starts.

No point in being happy paying 10x cheaper insurance. Sub-par rides will still add-up big time getting destroyed.

IMHO PvP Combat just is an extremely expensive hobby. If costs still matter to you - do not engage in it unless unavoidable. Never.
Anytime I take the chances of Open Play PvP Combat for Testing/Evaluation purposes - I treat every ship like a throwaway toy. I count how many times I would rebuy during the Test phase and from there on not give a darn about costs.

Solid advice.

 

[Chris M Fortune]

I can confirm in PvP environment that skill of pilot far outweighs the ship you are in.

Just had my ass handed to me by a Clipper and my Python was pretty much all A

 

[Nauht]

I can confirm in PvP environment that skill of pilot far outweighs the ship you are in.

Just had my ass handed to me by a Clipper and my Python was pretty much all A

Did you reverse, FA off and use boost to keep the Clipper in your front arc?

Not much they can do about that.

 

[CMDR Beltane]

I finally traded in my Clipper and bought the Python last night thinking that it would be great.

That pretty much sums it up for me as well. Had both, flown both in combat (PVE) and trade. Without going into all the details as it was all sumarized already by Xious - the clipper was WAY more fun to fly compared to the Python just because in sum the clipper just feels right. The Python didn't gave me that feeling. Got myself a Conda today, but if someone would ask me "Of all ships you have flown, which one you would buy again even if not needed?" - it would be the Clipper. At least for me, the best Allrounder second to none, ED has to offer atm. As said, not by mere stats alone - just the overall feeling.

 

[mamiluk]

I upgraded my clipper for a Python... and in my opinion I didn't look back. for larger trading bay, better weapons, manoeuvrable, I felt invincible... until I died and lost 80 million assets haha!

 

[Xious]

After a bit more flying, I traded my boat-anchor Python back in and re-bought my Clipper.... Even sold off my "A" Cobra... it had been gathering dust anyway.

I will eventually try the Conda. I hear that it is like no other ship. We'll see...

 

[QziQza]

marmite...

 

[Xious]

Cool, the station where I sold my Clipper had all my old gear too so I didn't have to fly around looking for it all over again. I would have thought for sure that FD would have made me go hunt it all down again. Thanks Guys!

 

[snotface]

Clipper all the way.

Just remember a fully A rated Clipper (With A7 shields) can and does take out every ship in game. It out runs everything and mass locks every ship up to a Type 9.

I hear people say that their Python can kill a clipper easily, but in tests which I have done with friends the Clipper strips the shields off a Python within seconds even if the Python is going backwards.

The only difference is 1 large hard point, and a lot of speed.

 

[Dominico]

Clipper nerf has to be incomming. Its getting boring that this is the go to ship for everything. They seriously need a rebalance to these top end ships or things wilp get dull fast.

Clipper needs a speed nerf imo. Make it less easy to run which is its main draw.

 

[CMDR Beltane]

Clipper nerf has to be incomming. Its getting boring that this is the go to ship for everything. They seriously need a rebalance to these top end ships or things wilp get dull fast.

Clipper needs a speed nerf imo. Make it less easy to run which is its main draw.

Clippers by name are supposed to be very fast. As for trade, its a really good ship, but not the be all. As for combat, it has it downsides (weapons placement / shield strength).

 

[Xious]

Improving other ships would be better than nerfing the Clipper ... like the Python's abysmal fuel economy.

 

[QziQza]

Clipper nerf has to be incomming. Its getting boring that this is the go to ship for everything. They seriously need a rebalance to these top end ships or things wilp get dull fast.

Clipper needs a speed nerf imo. Make it less easy to run which is its main draw.

Sorry, i really have to disagree with you here, what the Clipper needs is the ability to land at outposts.. Then, and only then, will it be the go to ship for everything

 

[Badda Boss]

I just got back after a while, and contemplating exactly this issue. Not wanting to grind up to the conda, I want "THE ship to just fly around in", and the Clipper is on the top of my list. But the new FDL in 1.2 if reasonably priced could also be a good candidate for "end ship"

 

[Bortas]

Also how do they compare in combat. I know i can safely outrun anything that can mass lock my space farrari, tank anything an anaconda can throw at me in time for my shield cells to respond and out turn most things with my light weight build and reasonably afford my general wear and tear bills but can a python say the same with a similar rebuy (mil)?

Python or Clipper... a difficult decision, that's why I have both Both have their ups and downs, so it depends on what exactly you are planning to fight with them.

The Python has stronger shields and far stronger armement, especially because the hardpoint placement allows for fixed weapons in all slots. The biggest downside in my eyes: It's too slow to run down an enemy. Once you opponent decides to run, which in most cases is right after the interdiction, you can do nothing to stop him. So if you prefer a defensive combat style, the Python is for you.

The Clipper has considerably weaker shields, and unreliable firepower due to being forced to use gimballed weapons, which can get really annoying, when your enemy starts spamming chaff. On the other hand you will be fast enough to run them down, if you want to or to run yourself if necessary. Another advantage is the low base price, making military or mirrored armor way more affordable.

This goes for PvP... if you are only doing PvE Combat, it doesn't really matter, since NPCs usually fight to the death anyway.

 

[AJ_Impy]

I use my Python as my go-anywhere do-anything ship, and I'm very happy with it in that role. I'm considering upping to an Anaconda at some point, but it's a leisurely upward stroll taking in all the sights to get there.

 

[Xious]

Improving other ships would be better than nerfing the Clipper ... like the Python's abysmal fuel economy.

Interesting... so now after the latest patch, the Python has better fuel economy...

 

[Odan Brota]

Clipper is my baby. Main downside is that if you want to get 200+ cargo, you have to downgrade your shield by a great deal. This is solved by keeping enough cash to swap to a 6A shield whenever you want to go hunting, but it's something to consider.

Another fault is that you absolutely must use gimballed weapons. I don't mind, but chaff is my nemesis.

 

[Xious]

I agree, I use A4 Shield Gen and have 232 Cargo cap.

Most of the time, my victims don't live long enough to do much to my shields.