Victims of Piracy Support Group

The only mechanic that could be used to persuade more people to play in open and that's to have a beacon to attract authority ships pretty quickly, (even if it incurred a small cost to call them in). How many arrive (and teh relevant cost) would depend on how many are attacking you. They are NPC's and no real match for a good pilot but would dissuade the cowards who can't put up a real fight against a real combat ship, plus it will give you an opportunity to escape while the pirate(s) are fighting off the NPC's, (or help the NPC's take on the pirates). Having a longer c/d even when you submit wouldn't be so bad then.

I like this idea. I'd go one further and allow the hiring of NPCs (price calculated by distance to target) as escorts. Have your own flying armed NPC escort. It'd become a challenge for the pirates. Want that juicy cargo? Well a T-7 or T-9 with something to lose will probably hire security. How badly do you want it? Badly enough to take on a wing of NPCs while trying to blow the trader's cargo hatch? He'll be running of course... Why wouldn't he? Trader's wouldn't feel quite so helpless and pirates get the action they crave.

Of course the 1.2 already allows this kind of interaction anyway, I'm just hoping it will be developed more. If its reinforced by the game perhaps it might even bring about the rise of combat escort services from other players. You could reinforce it the player interaction by adding a option to share a percentage of the net profit if they join a wing to be escorted. All predetermined by the players. Pirates would have to attack in a wing, and escorts would have to defend their prize. It could even develop the meta in some fashion, with "fake" groups of escorts making plans with the pirates to be attacked and then "run off" because they start "losing" for a share of the take. Traders making deals with pirates to lead bounty hunter groups in to an ambush for pirate revenge. Betrayal, drama, adrenaline and lots of laser scorched metal.

It could work. I hope it develops that way, but there's still one part of the equation that doesn't make a lot of sense. There isn't enough incentive there for the pirates besides PvP. They need more reason to do what they do, it has to be more attractive to go after the big score being escorted by a wing of dangerous bounty hunters than just his piffling cargo of 200-500k. Gotta make it more attractive! I haven't the foggiest idea how.
 
Yes. You have shown me the error of my ways. I must cut my engine, open the cargo doors, drop my pants and assume the position over the command console, and say thank you very much sir when the lovely pirate has finished with me. I must comply without complaint I must comply without complaint I must comply without complaint I must comply without complaint.

Well, thd decision is to lose part of your cargo or all of your cargo plus your shop plus your own time.

Simple when put like that, isn't it? Now, to fend off your inevitable 'psychopath may kill you anyway' comment: Yes, they may but you will have tried to prevent that and so no blame can fall on you for your ships destruction.
 
This is never going to go away until FD fix the problem with the whole "forced PvP" thing in ED.
Not everyone wants PvP all the time, no matter what...
If you don't want to be involved in open PVP there are two options already available to every player; Solo mode and Private group.
The Mobius private group actually has quite a lot of players in it now and there is no PVP allowed in that group.
 
Well, thd decision is to lose part of your cargo or all of your cargo plus your shop plus your own time.

Simple when put like that, isn't it? Now, to fend off your inevitable 'psychopath may kill you anyway' comment: Yes, they may but you will have tried to prevent that and so no blame can fall on you for your ships destruction.

That's quite a warped perspective though. Blaming the victim of a crime for being a victim is cruel, whether it's a game or not.
 
I used to do the same basically (4 Pips ENG) to be able to hammer Afterburner every few seconds.
But since the recent changes to the Shield effectiveness vs. Pips settings - I prefer to opt for 200% (?) total Shield strength and sacrifice those ~5 to 10m/sec instead that I lose due to running only 2 Pips ENG.

Last time I had to run in a Type-9 (failed Evasion) from a Dangerous Python, it made the whole difference. 40 sec cooldown from the FSD fail and the ensuing FSD spool-up while Mass-Locked can be a long time :D
It also got me out of Conflict Zones more than once, with upto 10 hostiles ganging up on me... IMHO better running "tanky" than losing Shields followed by the Thrusters - and see your nearly fully charged FSD fail together with them :p
Thanks I will give it a go next time.
 
So... you ran, he fired. You dropped cargo, he let you live?

And maybe refrain from the swearing/abuse of the guy in your post?

LOL! I know its off topic but Simi Kusoni your banner is hysterical :)
I mumble "frendship drive charging" almost everytime I hear the voice and giggle...thawt I was the ONLY ONE! :D


...eh hem..On topic...Im in a nicely kitted Vulture and Expert combat rank....will fly wing for free...
 
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Federal B. are offering psychologic assistance for our victims. You have been pirated ? For only 10 palladium canisters, our psychologist can help you, and make you ok to take again your trade :)
 
I'm just remarking how people will go into the game mode then get upset at the people who play the robbers. I say such remarks because if you read through these threads - many of them are filled with their victims who didn't deal with it well and their comments are just dripping with anger and nastiness - going so far as to question the morality of said pirates because they can't accept the responsibility that they ultimately are the ones who made the choice to take the risk.

And that is exactly where You and alikes are deadly wrong (IMO): If open was meant to be "PVP killer heaven" why isnt it named so? Its named OPEn for the reason that EVERYthing goes. not neccessarily only shooting down other players.
I like to stay in open simply becauise there are the most friendly players i can interact with, idly chatting, giving them advice or some palladium or even wing up for some trade runs together. And i can do without any PLAYER pirates ingame.
So can others. Even Bounty hunters can hunt down NPC. For the ones that WANT to have PVP combat: go search a combat zone, there it is stated that anyone in there wants to fight to the death.
 
And that is exactly where You and alikes are deadly wrong (IMO): If open was meant to be "PVP killer heaven" why isnt it named so? Its named OPEn for the reason that EVERYthing goes. not neccessarily only shooting down other players.
I like to stay in open simply becauise there are the most friendly players i can interact with, idly chatting, giving them advice or some palladium or even wing up for some trade runs together. And i can do without any PLAYER pirates ingame.
So can others. Even Bounty hunters can hunt down NPC. For the ones that WANT to have PVP combat: go search a combat zone, there it is stated that anyone in there wants to fight to the death.
Lighten up, this game is too easy as it is. At least player pirates present a genuine challenge, rare as they may be.

LOL! I know its off topic but Simi Kusoni your banner is hysterical :)
I mumble "frendship drive charging" almost everytime I hear the voice and giggle...thawt I was the ONLY ONE! :D
Hah, yeah, I heard it once and now every time it says it... It cannot be unheard :D
 
I have read the threads about piracy as a legitimate career choice and, for the most part, I have agreed with the philosophy that ED needs all types of players to create the atmosphere of a real living society in space with all the beauty, wonder, violence and horror of the real world.
I have played as a trader, an explorer, a bounty hunter and a soldier and have lost myself in these roles as my imagination feeds on the images created by the game.
Occasionally on my travels, I have come across other players in remote places and greeted them with a "g'day" and a "fly safe" and moved along feeling like it was a small universe after all.
On occasion I have been pulled out of a frameshift daydream by AI pirates and depending on what ship I am flying I would run or fight and be happy to escaped with cargo or bounty with no ill effect.
Being an Elite fan since the old BBC version in 1984 I decided I should make the pilgrimage to Lave at least once. Last stop on the way was Diso where I docked to refuel and picked up 4 tonnes (was flying my cobra) of rare goods for about 300 cr each. I jump to Lave and within 30 seconds of arriving I get interdicted. As per usual I throttle back for an easy exit and first thing I do on exit is 4 pips to engines and hit the booster to get a little space while I decide next course of action. I see that my attacker is a human pilot in an Imperial Clipper. First time but that's ok I have nothing of value. I'm about to open the chat window for the usual "g'day" then the demand comes " Drop 30t of cargo or I will destroy you" . HUH!? WHA!? I don't have any cargo of value what do I do. This has never happened to me before. I know I have easily destroy elite AI clippers but this is a human.
I must have thought about it too long (about 10 seconds by my reckoning) and suddenly he opened fire. At least give me long enough to get to the cargo window or type a reply for crying out loud.
At the first shot my shields collapsed ..there's no way I could take this guy. I hit the booster and started to charge up the FSD. My heat went through the roof and not only was this guy gaining on me and chewing away at my hull but the heat was eating away from the inside. I took forever for the FSD to charge up and by the time I jumped I was down to 58% hull.
"Whew" I thought " I got away" ...but no a few seconds later the alarms went off again and this time I fought like a marlin but he managed to pull me out of frameshift again. This time I knew I couldn't fight. I went straight to the cargo bay and dumped my 1200 cr worth of cargo.
My assailant quipped me with some rhetorical politeness that made my skin crawl and I sent back a resigned "Whatever".
I jumped away and docked in Lave and repaired about 12000cr worth of damage.
I sat there for ages and all I could think was "What a sad experience that was".
This cad had just attacked me.
I didn't feel the frustration that I feel when my son snipers me at the spawn point 20 times in a row in halo. I didn't feel the disappointment that I feel when I finally succumb to 7 better players in AOE. These feelings pass within seconds and I go back for another game.
I had come to Lave as a pilgrimage. I was feeling nostalgic, happy, cruising through the galaxy hurting nothing and nobody and I was snapped out of it by someone who thinks it is OK to take what others have, what others have worked for. I felt like I had been mugged ..not my character ..me ..violated.
I had thought before about whether pirating was something I should try but now I know that I never will. I don't want to make other players feel like this ..it is just wrong.
Yeah I know all the pirates are screaming "what I wuss. why don't you go to Mobius or solo" but as Nietzsche : "That which does not kill us, makes us stronger".

I will stay in open as I always have but I will not hesitate again, next time I WILL kill you. You will not get one scrap of my cargo even if I have to jettison and destroy it myself. My mission now is pirates, human pirates. I am coming for you.

and that's why pirates are just a bunch of gutless losers. beat the [masked swearing redacted - please avoid this thank you] out of them, good sir, let noone live
 
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Banhammer commeth.

(Ok ok, so probably not the ban hammer. But I've been waiting AGES for an excuse to use that pic)
 
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And that is exactly where You and alikes are deadly wrong (IMO): If open was meant to be "PVP killer heaven" why isnt it named so? Its named OPEn for the reason that EVERYthing goes. not neccessarily only shooting down other players.
I like to stay in open simply becauise there are the most friendly players i can interact with, idly chatting, giving them advice or some palladium or even wing up for some trade runs together. And i can do without any PLAYER pirates ingame.
So can others. Even Bounty hunters can hunt down NPC. For the ones that WANT to have PVP combat: go search a combat zone, there it is stated that anyone in there wants to fight to the death.
Oh wow, such a short post, so many things to correct!
Well, here we go:
If open was meant to be "PVP killer heaven" why isnt it named so?
Who said it is meant to be 'PvP killer heaven'? Ah right, no one... your argument is irrelevant.

Its named OPEn for the reason that EVERYthing goes. not neccessarily only shooting down other players.
If open means 'Anything goes' then shooting down other players is totally acceptable.
And who said it is only about killing others again? Ah right, no one... your argument is irrelevant.

And i can do without any PLAYER pirates ingame.
So, you want to have the care-bear part of open (no problem with that, to each his own), but refuse to accept that there is a player-based threat (here you go wrong).
Unfortunately, that is only your problem if you can't take the game for what it is - don't try to push your little fantasy of what Elite is in other peoples heads, we have very clear idea of what Elite is because of countless developer statements.

For the ones that WANT to have PVP combat: go search a combat zone
Err, there are no 'combat zones' in Elite.
You talk about Conflict Zones - and no, I am not nitpicking, you misunderstand the purpose of them, which is the problem.
In Elite, conflict zones do not exist to give players a 'legal kill zone for mindless slaughter', but for the story and conflicts that are going on that have to be fought - hence, you know, the name conflict zone.
If someone want's PvP he can have it everywhere he wants as long as he can live with the consequences (wanted).
Player kills you as soon as you leave the station in a federation system?
Totally fine, part of the game (although I agree it is silly, but that doesn't matter).

It is like you know nothing about Elite, yet you come here and dare to tell others how they have to play.
I think you are delusional, to be honest. It is almost as if you're talking about a whole different game...

Accept Elite's open mode for what it actually is - or play solo.
Since you want the human interaction without any danger, there are also PvE groups for that.
 
I can see the point you're trying to make. Pirates aren't just stealing a few in game virtual items from you, "Ha ha its just a game, no foul."

They're stealing what can't be replaced, they're stealing your time. Sorry the way piracy is implemented now, if it ever becomes popular it'll chase every single trader to solo. No one wants to allow ANYONE to steal their time. Its not a commodity that can be replaced. I'm fine with players wanting to live the fantasy of being a pirate but I don't think ANYONE is ok with someone stealing their time.

He didn't steal anything, in fact, he actually gave him the gift of interaction :D
 
....If open was meant to be "PVP killer heaven" why isnt it named so?...

Sorry, but open does mean PvP killer heaven. It's supposed to work that way. If you don't like it, use solo or group mode.

And no, I don't play in open. Not what I want out of my game time. I imagine that open will have nothing but PvP players soon, and they can have it out with each other, which is how the game design is intended.

No point in complaining about other players attacking you, when you are playing in a mode that allows just that. :)
 
Sorry, but open does mean PvP killer heaven. It's supposed to work that way. If you don't like it, use solo or group mode.

And no, I don't play in open. Not what I want out of my game time. I imagine that open will have nothing but PvP players soon, and they can have it out with each other, which is how the game design is intended.

No point in complaining about other players attacking you, when you are playing in a mode that allows just that. :)
Actually open is largely devoid of PvP players in my experience, player interaction is minimal.
 
Good try. :)

Sorry but I pop in from time to time, so that dog don't hunt.

I do understand your wish to repopulate open though. Good luck. :)
Lol, paranoid much? Stay out of open for all I care, there's certainly nothing of interest there.

That doesn't make it dangerous though, and it IS devoid of PvP players unless you go to Lave or something stupid like that.
 
Lol, paranoid much? Stay out of open for all I care, there's certainly nothing of interest there.

That doesn't make it dangerous though, and it IS devoid of PvP players unless you go to Lave or something stupid like that.

So you don't believe me? Ah well.

I'll give you a challenge. Try flying a T9 filled with gold to and from Leesti. Tell me how you hold up. I'll check in on this thread later.

Fly safe :)
 
So you don't believe me? Ah well.

I'll give you a challenge. Try flying a T9 filled with gold to and from Leesti. Tell me how you hold up. I'll check in on this thread later.

Fly safe :)
Ok let me rephrase, unless you're stupid enough to fly around Lave and the surrounding areas in a T9 open is devoid of PvP players.

Happy now?
 
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