Victims of Piracy Support Group

[SeregDuin]

I bought a house 25 years ago. It had a pergola on one side and a car port on the other. One day the council sent me a letter telling me that neither the pergola nor the carport had construction approval and I would have to pay a certifier to come and draw up plans then $1000 application fee to lodge the plans with council. They gave me 30 days or they would take me to court and charge me court costs.
I took a sledge hammer an knocked both the carport and pergola down. Nothing they could do.
Pirates are like city councils ( or city councils are pirates .. ?) they threaten and demand money for nothing and that's just what they will get from me from now on ..nothing.

 

[Anopheles]

But it's not about the money. If it was, i would be in solo too. Like the OP, I have decided I don't like pirates so my choices include "run","fight","die" but not "give the pirate what he wants".
If you want to chuckle and shake your head at that, feel free--not like I have any respect for your views since they include "you should do what I want". As of now the interaction is better for me if I take my chances and run/die/kill you (I'm kitting out my python for that), possibly dying but definitely not *giving* you anything because you demanded it. If it is ever not, I will find the next thing that will be.

Of course, if you basically admitted that the enjoyment you receive is not getting the credits but the fact that you are costing me time, then eventually you will probably drive everyone to solo/groups and be stuck with your other pirate friends chuckling and saying "what cowards! So, uh, what do we do now?" Which is pretty much what any society does to disfunctional members: make it so they cannot affect it.

Majinvash: wow, boasting about how much you make on the internet? Good luck getting anyone to believe you anyway...

We ( I speak only for The Code) pirates only want your cargo to prevent us from leaping out of high windows at the tedium of 'go here, pick this up, go there, drop that, become marginally richer and repeat' gameplay.

We neither seek, expect or relish your esteem. Be gone and bother me no further.

 

[CMDR i Tetsuo]

Thank you for proving my point guys.

So if I don't play open like you say I should, there's something wrong with me? Sheesh. You just reminded me why open is such a drag.

I played in open up until I had myself a T7, at which point the constant interdictions and random kills at ports became unbearable, and I moved to Mobius group. The perfect group for my play style.

Pirates blaming traders for not playing in open so they can get shot at and robbed. Aw...

Listen buddies. Keep your little frag fest in open, ok. It must be much more fun and challenging for you anyway, when you have PvP focused commanders to play with. No honour in shooting up a T9, is there?...

Have fun! Byeeee!

Not sure why you lumped me in with that reply seeing as I stated I neither pirate nor kill players...

 

[FuzzySpider]

If you get bored, visit Leesti in your truck.

No. I've heard about the piracy going on there so I haven't gone up that way. If I do decide to head up there I'll do so in a heavily armed clipper or ferde.

If the pirates come down Achenar way then good luck to them. But what I'll NEVER do is fly around with a load of gold in pirate infested waters then complain when I get robbed. Especially as the human pirates are better, more immersive, and less irritating than the random NPC pirates.

 

[TheoC]

We ( I speak only for The Code) pirates only want your cargo to prevent us from leaping out of high windows at the tedium of 'go here, pick this up, go there, drop that, become marginally richer and repeat' gameplay.

We neither seek, expect or relish your esteem. Be gone and bother me no further.

Hmm let me check... Nope, still won't do what you tell me. You begone. If I "bother" you, please refer to your and other pirates' comments on QQ, whiners, tryhards etc.

I'm in open and staying there as long as I keep having fun. You do what you like as long as it's not telling me what to do...

 

[Meathook]

I bought a house 25 years ago. It had a pergola on one side and a car port on the other. One day the council sent me a letter telling me that neither the pergola nor the carport had construction approval and I would have to pay a certifier to come and draw up plans then $1000 application fee to lodge the plans with council. They gave me 30 days or they would take me to court and charge me court costs.
I took a sledge hammer an knocked both the carport and pergola down. Nothing they could do.
Pirates are like city councils ( or city councils are pirates .. ?) they threaten and demand money for nothing and that's just what they will get from me from now on ..nothing.

Oh, but they are getting just enough from you, a shiny explosion and a detailed report about your sad feelings afterwards. Much more rewarding than 4t of palladium or so I guess...

 

[Pendra]

I think I see your point.
You are perfectly happy to move numbers between identical looking stations. You don't want anything more from this game.
You don't feel the game boring, you don't feel the game is a grindsnorefest.
You came to terms with your own inability to defend yourself in any meaningful way.
Well then, more power to you playing Solo or Closed. Elite - Peaceful is for you. I do hope we never meet.

And for those, who use Solo/Closed to grind for the Conda/IC in a protected environment:
Flying the most expensive ship ever in open will not make you a good player. In open, I will hand your Conda's rear thrusters to you flying a Viper. In this game, skill levels the playing field.

I really wish they made 2 different galaxies. An Solo/Closed galaxy and an Online galaxy. In the offline galaxy, events would unfold like in the online, but your actions would not have zero effect on system events. No community goal, no faction influence change etc.

 

[TheoC]

I think I see your point.
You are perfectly happy to move numbers between identical looking stations. You don't want anything more from this game.
You don't feel the game boring, you don't feel the game is a grindsnorefest.
You came to terms with your own inability to defend yourself in any meaningful way.
Well then, more power to you playing Solo or Closed. Elite - Peaceful is for you. I do hope we never meet.

And for those, who use Solo/Closed to grind for the Conda/IC in a protected environment:
Flying the most expensive ship ever in open will not make you a good player. In open, I will hand your Conda's rear thrusters to you flying a Viper. In this game, skill levels the playing field.

Oh noes, someone made a strawman of my argument and said they don't want to fly their pretend ship with me... Boo freaking hoo.
So you are saying you want a game where if you say "drop cargo or I will (try to) kill you" everyone just does as you say? Maybe you should be playing with dolls, I am sure they will just do whatever you want them to.

If you interdict me and you have the advantage because you are flying a viper/vulture and I am flying a t7, you will probably win. But why should I give up before trying?

How is your version where you fly a combat ship against trucks NOT a snorefest? If you were really after "excitement" you would be over at lugh fighting it out...

 

[Meathook]

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Disclaimer: Never pirated, only played PvE bounty hunting up until this point.

You got beaten in a game and have to shout at others in this forums because the only way you feel you can somewhat fight back without risking to loose another ship of yours. If you don't like being pirated, please, just get into solo and have fun there, don't open forum posts attacking other persons in a way it needs to be moderated.

 

[Bostlabs]

Yes that is exactly it .Only one person actually got what I was saying.
I really am a bad writer.

Hah! No, others are bad readers. Many of us got exactly what you were saying and the story you told.

 

[SeregDuin]

I think I see your point.
You are perfectly happy to move numbers between identical looking stations. You don't want anything more from this game.
You don't feel the game boring, you don't feel the game is a grindsnorefest.
You came to terms with your own inability to defend yourself in any meaningful way.
Well then, more power to you playing Solo or Closed. Elite - Peaceful is for you. I do hope we never meet.

And for those, who use Solo/Closed to grind for the Conda/IC in a protected environment:
Flying the most expensive ship ever in open will not make you a good player. In open, I will hand your Conda's rear thrusters to you flying a Viper. In this game, skill levels the playing field.

I really wish they made 2 different galaxies. An Solo/Closed galaxy and an Online galaxy. In the offline galaxy, events would unfold like in the online, but your actions would not have zero effect on system events. No community goal, no faction influence change etc.

Who are you directing this at? If it's intended for me ...I have never been a trader . I make my money from mainly conflict zones,RES and abit of exploring on the way. Never mentioned trading in the op . Bought 4t of rares which i thought I would sell somewhere in my travels. Never played in solo or groups .
I got a shock yeah realised I wasn't as prepared as I thought I was and resolved to beef up and fight back.

 

[Pendra]

Not a strawman, I genuinely see your point. You want to play without fear of being attacked by someone you can't handle yourself. Maybe you don't like combat, maybe you just like to keep on trucking whatever. IMHO playing in Solo/Closed is like playing chess against a 4 years old. It doesn't take much brain to outwit him. However, if you find your perfect enjoyment in that, who am I to force you do otherwise. Have fun and play the game how you want.

I merely say that in Open, you can experience a whole different type of excitement. You are missing out if you don't try it.
I was snoring around and was on the verge of leaving due to massive boredom when I met some commanders who gave a good chase. I was thrilled by the experience. Something ALIVE in this desolate desert. WOW. I started to seek out these encounters and ended up playing as a CMDR pirate more and more. Not because I like mugging people, but I feel that is what the game needs to give a better experience.

I met captains, who were so thrilled by my raid that they themselves wanted to be pirates. Once I jumped a T6 pilot. He got so scared he dropped his entire cargo. I told him that I will take 4 tons and he can pick up the rest, I will not hurt him. Instead, he said he wanted to join me and be a pirate. So we headed out, I took down the shields and provided escort and he locked, syphoned and scooped. We had fun.

Wait, you play a "combat" pilot but can't do basic evasive tactics?
You can maneuver in SC so that the attacker can't even get behind you.
You can also keep going in and out of SC.
If you fail that and get interdicted, the Cobra can be a very fast ship. In the correct config, it can easily outrun my Viper. And if not, turn around and apply full burn. By the time the attacker turns around you will be 4kms away.
Once I was jumped by 1 ASP, 1 Python and 1 Conda (I attacked their buddy earlier). By the time they deployed their hardpoints, I was out of their mass lock.
Granted, you need to play in open, against real players to learn these.

If you can't outfight someone, you need to outrun him. Knowing which fight you take which to evade is a very important survival skill.

 

[SeregDuin]

Oh, but they are getting just enough from you, a shiny explosion and a detailed report about your sad feelings afterwards. Much more rewarding than 4t of palladium or so I guess...

So are tryin to tell that that ^ is not a personal attack because certainly looks like it to me. I didn't shout or blame anyone in the OP but have had to deal with a string of people like you that did not understand what I had wriiten or made wild assumptions about things never mentioned. I've never played in solo and have no
Intention of. Knew I was beaten but never put down the victor . What I did say is that I would change the way I play to in future and start hunting pirates ..which means seeking out more PvP not less.

 

[Pendra]

Cool, so you learned where things went wrong. You realized how CMDR are much better than AI, and killing masses of AI will never train you to take on a CMDR. So the experience was more valuable than the cargo and repair cost.

I challenge you to hang around in Duamta around and after 1100PM game time for a little duelling.
To make it more interesting, I will bring 4 tons of gold and drop 1 ton each time you take down my shield. You can also take my 140k bounty if you manage to kill me, no hard feelings. However, If I take your shields down, you drop 1 ton of something at your discretion.

 

[Meathook]

So are tryin to tell that that ^ is not a personal attack because certainly looks like it to me. I didn't shout or blame anyone in the OP but have had to deal with a string of people like you that did not understand what I had wriiten or made wild assumptions about things never mentioned. I've never played in solo and have no
Intention of. Knew I was beaten but never put down the victor . What I did say is that I would change the way I play to in future and start hunting pirates ..which means seeking out more PvP not less.

I don't really think it is a personal attack, it was not meant as one at least and I stand corrected, the attacker got a shiny explosion, a heated report about your feelings changed by a moderator into a more sad version of it and a description of how you are going to change your playstyle. Still hard to contribute "something constructive to the debate", as you claim yourself there is no debate, there is nothing about the game you want to change and you just wanted to share your story. Point taken, but what did you expect to come from this thread?

 

[SeregDuin]

.Not a strawman, I genuinely see your point. You want to play without fear of being attacked by someone you can't handle yourself. Maybe you don't like combat, maybe you just like to keep on trucking whatever. IMHO playing in Solo/Closed is like playing chess against a 4 years old. It doesn't take much brain to outwit him. However, if you find your perfect enjoyment in that, who am I to force you do otherwise. Have fun and play the game how you want.

I merely say that in Open, you can experience a whole different type of excitement. You are missing out if you don't try it.

Hey mate. I think it would help if you quoted the post you are replying to so we can follow your line of argument. We don't know who or what you are arguing about . It seems to be about solo vs open in which case this is not the correct thread.

 

[TheoC]

Not a strawman, I genuinely see your point. You want to play without fear of being attacked by someone you can't handle yourself. Maybe you don't like combat, maybe you just like to keep on trucking whatever. IMHO playing in Solo/Closed is like playing chess against a 4 years old. It doesn't take much brain to outwit him. However, if you find your perfect enjoyment in that, who am I to force you do otherwise. Have fun and play the game how you want.

I merely say that in Open, you can experience a whole different type of excitement. You are missing out if you don't try it.
I was snoring around and was on the verge of leaving due to massive boredom when I met some commanders who gave a good chase. I was thrilled by the experience. Something ALIVE in this desolate desert. WOW. I started to seek out these encounters and ended up playing as a CMDR pirate more and more. Not because I like mugging people, but I feel that is what the game needs to give a better experience.

I met captains, who were so thrilled by my raid that they themselves wanted to be pirates. Once I jumped a T6 pilot. He got so scared he dropped his entire cargo. I told him that I will take 4 tons and he can pick up the rest, I will not hurt him. Instead, he said he wanted to join me and be a pirate. So we headed out, I took down the shields and provided escort and he locked, syphoned and scooped. We had fun.

Wait, you play a "combat" pilot but can't do basic evasive tactics?
You can maneuver in SC so that the attacker can't even get behind you.
You can also keep going in and out of SC.
If you fail that and get interdicted, the Cobra can be a very fast ship. In the correct config, it can easily outrun my Viper. And if not, turn around and apply full burn. By the time the attacker turns around you will be 4kms away.
Once I was jumped by 1 ASP, 1 Python and 1 Conda (I attacked their buddy earlier). By the time they deployed their hardpoints, I was out of their mass lock.
Granted, you need to play in open, against real players to learn these.

If you can't outfight someone, you need to outrun him. Knowing which fight you take which to evade is a very important survival skill.

If not a strawman, then you are just unable to understand what you are reading (or not reading my posts)

In this thread, maybe one or two people *who are not pirates trying to goad/insult others* have talked about going to solo because of pirates.

Let me break it down for you, again:
- I play in open
- If I get interdicted, I will run or fight, but will never drop cargo
- For me, denying cargo to a pirate is more enjoyable than paying for one load plus insurance
- If the pirate then switches to trying to grief me (since I will not drop cargo no matter what) I will switch to a combat ship
- If it gets to the point where instead of enjoying the game I am having to deal with a troublesome griefer, I will put him on ignore list or go solo or whatever else.
- some people may call that a number of names. I could care less what they think, it's not like they picked a fight on my terms to begin with so why should I indulge them in any way whatsoever?


If you think that is "elite peaceful" and I should go to solo, you may continue to do so. I will just think much less of your intelligence (and stay in open). All you are doing is whining and crying because I refuse to play the way you want me to.

Please try to understand this, it may help you in life: You are not the arbiter of what is "fun" or not. Nobody cares if you call them a coward behind a computer screen on the internet. You cannot force people to do something they will go to any lengths not to do.

 

[ClymAngus]

Players are going to try and find a way of winning. Fortunately there are many ways of doing so in such an open game. To cut a short argument even shorter expect to be infuriated. Traders will be infuriated by pirates. Pirates will be infuriated by traders using the nature of the game to avoid turning belly up.

Few people take defeat graciously. That's not what we do. We will wring out the fun even if the fun is not immediately forth coming. This is a good thing. Defeat is not something any human takes lying down. As CHRIS CORNELL so wisely put it in his song "You know my name" ;

If you think you've won. You never saw me change. The game that we have been playing.

People will use this game to win. If they can't win they will change the rules within the open envelope of the game to win. In short, if you would fight men, then expect resistance and revenge. The nature of the reality and the penalties for action has changed, the people within have not.

Mankind will not go quietly into the tyrannic night. And a good thing too.

The game rules do not stop people spoiling your fun, whatever your definition of fun maybe. So defensive strategies must be implemented in order to defend your fun. Evolve, if you wish to survive. Learn the tricks and use them. Teach them to others who are like minded.

It's all well and good calling someone a coward if they have implemented a strategy that beat you. But technically, they won. Passing shot. It worked for the Mongols.

 

[SeregDuin]

I don't really think it is a personal attack, it was not meant as one at least and I stand corrected, the attacker got a shiny explosion, a heated report about your feelings changed by a moderator into a more sad version of it and a description of how you are going to change your playstyle. Still hard to contribute "something constructive to the debate", as you claim yourself there is no debate, there is nothing about the game you want to change and you just wanted to share your story. Point taken, but what did you expect to come from this thread?

Try reading some of the replies . There are dozens of constructive and interesting replies and some interesting arguments that have surprised me and changed my views on some things.
You never know what you will get from a post but you just jump in and see what comes ..a bit like playing in open.

 

[Dr. Uzi]

I was running guns into Khaka yesterday and got interdicted by some clown in a Clipper, I was in a T6. Boost, chaff, repeat until I FSD out of there with 36% hull and all but two tons of my original cargo. I laughed so hard at this guy who couldnt kill a T6 in his Clipper, then I picked up my FDL and chased him out of the system. I am no victim, no matter what I am flying