It was part of the original Kickstarter campaign... I, as an veteran backer, can't complain about it.
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It was part of the original Kickstarter campaign... I, as an veteran backer, can't complain about it.
What was the part of original campaign? DLCs for all people who backed after 6 million? If you ok with that, that's ok. 100 millions collection was not the part of original campaign, but it's a goal now. Ok.
100 mlns plus dlc sales.
Btw, I'll pay DB for walking in ships and seamless planetary landings as DLC, no problems. However doubt about implementations...
Care to give some examples of this staggering amount of misinformation ?
Chairman Episode 59. Let's discuss backer will have to pay for 2 and 3 episode of Squadron 42
Shhhh! You mustn't bring this up and call it "truth".
You can thank morons like this for that:
I wonder what will they come up with next. Separate the universe and make certain areas "premium only" ?
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I believe the extra 'episodes' CR is referring to are the additional campaigns/mission packs they plan on adding after release not to be confused with the episodic way SQ42's missions will be coming out during development. So basically expansions to the original planned campaign (which has been expanded from 50 to 70 missions which means we'd actually be getting more than promised). I'd expect to see even more single-player content to be added over the years after release.
To sum up (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) SQ42 will be a 70-mission self contained campaign but after that there will be 2 extra campaigns that will expand the over-arching SQ42 story. Ezio's trilogy in Assassin's Creed comes to mind (AC2, Brotherhood, Revelations). Anything that might come after the SQ42 trilogy will probably be unrelated to it.
To sum up (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) SQ42 will be a 70-mission self contained campaign but after that there will be 2 extra campaigns that will expand the over-arching SQ42 story. Ezio's trilogy in Assassin's Creed comes to mind (AC2, Brotherhood, Revelations). Anything that might come after the SQ42 trilogy will probably be unrelated to it.
I don't have any problems with story DLCs/mission discs (like Bioshock Infinite: Burial At Seas and so on), but I won't pay a single cent for a feature DLC or map pack. And the "Behind Enemy Lines" mission disc was attributed to everyone who have backed before 28.6.2013.
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Chairman Episode 59. Let's discuss backer will have to pay for 2 and 3 episode of Squadron 42
DLC anyone? 50 missions SQ42, my ass.
7 missions
By the way first episode will be as cool as Call of Duty. Oh my god.
Opinions, gents? I think CR's words not smell good. Glad I have not backed SC with 45$.
By watching this video I've realised HOW CR mumbling and almost swallow those not pleasant phrases.
The most fun part YT coments full of "yay chris"
Disapointed completely, lost hope for SC totally. Flight model is much worse then Freespace
Thanks mr. Braben, the genre is not dead and compromised.
P.S. I'm an ED fanboy, got Mercenary edition
Here is the discussion on this topic:
https://forums.robertsspaceindustri...o-play-sq42-ep-3-you-must-pay-for-game#latest
Hmm. Freespace is a GREAT game game, it is still kicking ass if you consider FS open project and Hardlight productions and all campaigns and mods
It has tons of pure pleasure gameplay, it is simply the best mission based space game ever.
But the Elite is so *almost* perfect space sim regarding simulation aspect. I mean not realism. The flight model is simply enjoyable and also it's a legacy. (Zx. Spectrum player here)
As for SC flight model, even Freespace had roll during yaw, because roll is cool
You have to admit, cryengine is best for FPS.
Yeah I loved Freespace 1+2 along with the Xwing games, I fervently wish that kickstarter will see a reboot of the Freespace and Xwing series (latter more difficult due to licensing). Running from the supernova in Freespace 2 is still one of my all time greatest gaming moments I have EVER experienced!
I just cannot fully get on with the elite combat, I can understand seeking to reduce turretting, but it went too far IMO. I'd rather see the ability to emulate the roll and yaw of Freespace and Xwing series, that would make "space dogfighting" far more enjoyable IMO. And Simulation does mean Realism so I'm not sure what you mean by "not realism"!
We all know "real simulated" newtonian physics in space combat would be a pretty dire experience and not "exciting" at all (apart from the those who REALLY want that experience of course!). So both games are trying to spice things up with nerfs and buffs in one area or another.
Hmm. Freespace is a GREAT game game, it is still kicking ass if you consider FS open project and Hardlight productions and all campaigns and mods
It has tons of pure pleasure gameplay, it is simply the best mission based space game ever.
But the Elite is so *almost* perfect space sim regarding simulation aspect. I mean not realism. The flight model is simply enjoyable and also it's a legacy. (Zx. Spectrum player here)
As for SC flight model, even Freespace had roll during yaw, because roll is cool
You have to admit, cryengine is best for FPS.
SC's flight model had roll during yaw, but a lot of people complained about it. Just look at some 0.8 gameplay.
Dont understand the drama, it has been said a long time ago that there will be payed episodes for the singleplayer. Nothing new.
Ragnarokas
Banned
Now that's one good looking big ass ship right there.
How to get that?
How to get that?
+1 This is a long known fact.
Seems like a funny bug, normally it should not appear in the AC. Multi-Crew ships are coming with AC 2.0.
This is correct.
Well, I don't know if there'll be 2 extra campaigns. Where did you hear this? The only one I've heard of is the one that's mentioned in the stretch goals, Behind Enemy Lines, which will be released free of charge to original backers (who pledged before $6M) sometime after the development version of SQ42 is released. But both Chris and Erin Roberts have said that there'll be lots of single player stuff in the future so I doubt it'll be limited to two campaigns after this one.
So you respond with hyperbole? When did I ever say they all had to be "a cube", man do you like to make things up. Much like your rambling pointless post, it was my opinion, and an opinion that was shared with a number of other people on the SC forums. CIG are releasing more and more unoriginal ships, and are nothing more than air plains. Attacking another poster because of their artistic views is not something that should be done on these forums, hey disagree that's fine, but despite what you say I have a right to my opinion.
Again with your hyperbole, and you prove my point, you are more interested in attacking me personally as a poster then the content of my posts. But because you are "positive" about SC you are given a pass, happens all the times in this thread, for some reason this thread has different rules then the rest of the forum. You just dismisses my statements as "hate" because you have no counter arguments, and this is just your last resort. I do not hate SC, I do not hate CIG, but I am not blind nor do I have my head in the sand, I am just as critical of ED as I am of SC, or heck any other game. Just because you don't like what I say its now not "decent criticism" like your opinion is the end all and be all of importance.
Perhaps if one camp would actually address the criticism that is posted and not attack the poster this forum would not have the reputation it currently does. Why you felt the need to attack another poster, and why the mods feel its ok for you to do so, is what is wrong with this thread.
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Speaking of SC. I personally don't think its ok for CIG to split up the SQ42 story arc and then sell it in peaces. I understand that its getting larger and larger and all, but when you purchase a game, you expect to get the full story, now you are only going to get 1/3 of it (or 2/3 depend on when you backed, for instance I will get 2/3). Imagine if you purchase BioShock and told it would have this amazing story and such, but then the company says oh nvm we are going to turn it into 3 games and you are going to have to purchase the others. It just rubs me the wrong way, the idea that you are now forcing people to pay more in order to finish the story that was originally sold. But it will really come down to how much of a completed game each part feels, and how well CIG are able to split the over riding story into 3 smaller stories, along with how fulfilling each part feels. This is strictly speaking from the side of purchasing a story more so than how much gameplay would be contained. Even if each part was 20 hour of content, and as strictly from a gameplay perspective was well worth the money, i don't think its ok to force people to spend more to get what they were originally promised (story wise).
After the initial release of SQ42, if CIG release more content for it then that's great and they should charge for it. After all they should be payed for their work. But this is the case book example of a Dev removing content from a game in order to sell it as an expansion pack.
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He talked about a third one in the latest 10ftc. I'm sure there will be more single player campaigns after that but they may focus on different things, they don't have to be related to SQ42. Who knows at this point though.
In the last "Ten for the Chairman" Roberts confirmed his intention of making Squadron 42 a trilogy.
- First will be named Squadron 42 and will have 70 missions (not needing to play them all to finish the campaign, which he estimates as 20 hours - probably using the fastest path);
- Second will be named Behind Enemy Lines... no number of missions confirmed;
- Third has no name yet and no number of missions confirmed.
The first is a reward for all backers. The second "campaign" will be included as reward for backers who pledged before a certain date - someone already brought that date in a previous post.
For backers who came later, they will have to pay for the second, like a DLC.
The third, everyone will have to pay additional dollars to get them as DLC.
I am a little disappointed with this news, since I kind of had hopes for the single-player part of the Roberts design. While I think that its cool to play as a military in a single-player campaign story-driven, I would prefer to play in a role of some kind of Han Solo (Kid Crimson?) style, which was kind of the idea of the Freelancer/Privateer character, not some "war hero" in a "Uha! American Soldiers on Space!" vibe.
Of course that they could have plans to make something like that, but here we would be talking about something that only will come out in 2030.
Actually, even all these referred campaigns I have the impression that only will out... all three... by 2025 or something... if, and only if, Roberts be able to continue to milk his few whales and die hard fans, since it's my opinion that his game probably will end with very few players very soon after its release, but maybe enough, since he can simply keep the expensive ships sales (probably of new models to come) just as he does now.
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I am not going to speak on if people are making accounts to inflate the numbers. I don't think there is anyway to know and its just speculation.
I just wanted to add to the numbers and another thing to think about.
So 11k have played the most popular map, CIG have stated that ~20% of people that have played AC played the multiplayer. So lets assume that all the other maps add up to a total of ~20k users of multiplayer, that means that only 100k backers have played AC at all, pvp or pve. Currently there are 650k+ accounts with alpha access with the majority of those accounts paying extra for that access (either as an extra purchase or by means of a higher priced package). Of course its also possible that many of them were just purchasing higher priced packages, as lots of those come with alpha access. It would be interesting to see how many accounts purchased what package.
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Not sure why some people are disappointed CIG plans to work on more single player content after SQ42 and will charge for it. It's not like they are taking the original story and splitting it into to 3 pieces. That story will still be there as promised (expanded even as CR said) and they are only announcing that there will be more to come. I guess it's because they are saying it before the game is even released? Companies plan for expansions and sequels all the time before a game they are developing is out. They just don't usually reveal it until much later.
I'm pretty sure that when the people writing the story/lore/etc. have completed all their work on what's currently planned they'll start planning and writing stories for even more campaigns after the SQ42 trilogy. If they haven't already that is. I wouldn't be surprised if they announced something like this later down the line still before release. I don't expect that to be included in the original packages either and that's ok.
I'm pretty sure that when the people writing the story/lore/etc. have completed all their work on what's currently planned they'll start planning and writing stories for even more campaigns after the SQ42 trilogy. If they haven't already that is. I wouldn't be surprised if they announced something like this later down the line still before release. I don't expect that to be included in the original packages either and that's ok.
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