holy crap.. just got a warthog...

[Archvillain]

Now, the joystick isn't really heavy to move around as has been erronoeously slewed about in this thread.. but some of the buttons ARE! Especially the second trigger (red button) on the primary face of the joystick. I used that for my KWS for a while, but had a hard time holding it in for 10 seconds. Now I use VA for KWS exclusively.

heh, I have my discovery scanner on that second trigger... and I went out exploring like that. It was an unintentional combination, but I soon came to like how the thunderous fog-horn sound of the scanner just seemed to fit with such a hard-and-serious button
I also use it for KWS. I wish Elite allow for three fire buttons!

 

[[HJ]-RedRaven]

Agree, yaw is handy. I wish I had the cash for a Slaw set of pedals.

I have the Warthog and throttle, and there's no setup required in Target.

I just dived into the options keybindings and clicked away. I have all ship targeting, HUD navigation, subtarget, FSD heatsinks chaff, boost, reverse, landing gear you name it all on the stick or throttle.

Enjoy CMDR, and don't rush it.

Be prepared for a stiff hand, as it packs some resistance.
Release the throttle friction until you can rest your hand on the throttle without moving it, then moving your hand smoothly operates the throttle without getting that hand tired.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Want a Warthog, I really do. But like many others, the lack of twist kills it for me. I simply can NOT bring a set of pedal home, my wife would kill me! She might not even approve of me buying a VR headset so I am currently collecting my good behavior bond so I can cash it in whenever VR headsets going commercial. Pedal & VR? No amount of good behaviour would suffice for that...

Would buy X52Pro/X55 if its build quality is not so shoddy...

 

[who?]

I blame Arstechnica! I wasn't even really aware of Elite until I saw their Warthog review. And then they mentioned TrackIR. And then the Slaw Bf109 pedals. And now I have Elite (installed Boot Camp & cost of Windows 8.1 just to play this), and a Warthog, and TrackIR 5. And a set of MFG Crosswind pedals on order (couldn't get in touch with the makers of the Bf-109). Next up: get a projector. I just had black-out blinds installed in a bay window in my apartment, just occurred to me they would make perfect projection screens. Yay! Dammit Arstechnica & Elite, costing me so much.

On another note - has anyone figured out a good use of the second throttle in Elite? I thought it'd be cool to use it for forwards/backwards thrust when taking off & landing (get near pad, de-couple throttles, use the left throttle for small, more precise forward & backward adjustments when landing). Bad idea... your throttle is at zero when taking off and landing, so when you detach throttles it's at "full backward" and sends you flying into a wall. Trying to figure out some other use, it's too cool not to use.

 

[Rankaze]

That button is Weapons Release. It's meant to be hard to use. And I *do* mean Weapon with a capital "W". Usually a W/B-61.

Don't have Voice Attack, as my cornpone accent causes trouble anyway. Don't have a good answer on re-mapping the KWS. TARGET, maybe? 10 seconds on my thumb with arthritis hurts, so I agree on the hassle.

I put my secondary fire (normally used for KWS) on the button-press on the side 4-way switch, but I'm not really happy with it there. I keep accidentally thumbing the switch forward while scanning. I am considering the index finger button as an alternative option.

In Star Citizen I really like the hard push on the Weapons Release button, I use it for "fire missile" (with a different button for lock) and the hard press serves as a constant reminder to use my missiles wisely... In Elite, I use that button for "Deploy Hardpoints" (and I have the option for firing automatically deploying hardpoints disabled!), and it ensures that they are never deployed without intent!

 

[markzed]

I do play DCS A-10C with it and it works great.

Whoah! Warthog on Warthog action!

 

[Gilmour]

Actually the ready made off the shelf stuff is all too flimsily made for my tastes, I upgraded to custom built controls that I made myself at my shop, far more substantial than any mass produced junk you can buy. I realize not everyone has the expertise or the desire to do this, but for myself it was something I enjoyed doing.

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Want a Warthog, I really do. But like many others, the lack of twist kills it for me. I simply can NOT bring a set of pedal home, my wife would kill me! She might not even approve of me buying a VR headset so I am currently collecting my good behavior bond so I can cash it in whenever VR headsets going commercial. Pedal & VR? No amount of good behaviour would suffice for that...

Would buy X52Pro/X55 if its build quality is not so shoddy...

The answer is simple get a set for her too, that's how I got my first set-up, she loves it. I have since upgraded significantly to an all custom built set up and I made 2 so she gets hers too.

 

[Roland2]

Want a Warthog, I really do. But like many others, the lack of twist kills it for me. I simply can NOT bring a set of pedal home, my wife would kill me! She might not even approve of me buying a VR headset so I am currently collecting my good behavior bond so I can cash it in whenever VR headsets going commercial. Pedal & VR? No amount of good behaviour would suffice for that...

Would buy X52Pro/X55 if its build quality is not so shoddy...

Tell her the Warthog and pedals comes with the VR headset since you can't see the keyboard with the headset on.

 

[Gilmour]

Tell her the Warthog and pedals comes with the VR headset since you can't see the keyboard with the headset on.

Perfect, lie to the one you promised to honor, good call.

 

[NeoMorph WTH]

My Warthog HOTAS came yesterday and I'm still drooling. The peeps who say you need yaw pedals are exactly right. Those who say that spacecraft use twisty joysticks for yaw are PARTIALLY right. The joysticks used for things like the LEM and the shuttle use it because a lot of the time the controls are used in zero-g while standing up and it's hard to use pedals that way. Plus the LEM joystick was pretty much a menu selector rather than a joystick for direct flight ops. The urban myth that Armstrong took over an flew the LEM manually to land it because of the huge crater are only half right... He landed under semi-computer control by telling it to go longer (they were off target long as well which was why they were heading for the crater).

My point is, that controls for combat and those for non-violent spaceflight would probably use twisty joysticks. For space combat though, using yaw pedals is probably going to be the norm because the pilot is strapped into his seat and can use them easily. I tried using yaw on the HAT switch on my Warthog but in combat conditions I was screwing up by the numbers. For docking and normal flight though it is fine.

For me, I think I will probably be ordering some of Slaw's new F16 rudders... they look sweeeeeeet!

[video=youtube;94ysrsX2dEA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ysrsX2dEA[/video]

Oh and regarding the Apollo Rotational Control twisty joystick... PREPARE TO DROOL!

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This thing even rocks forward and backwards lol

 

[Phyl]

Do spent time to get it set up properly - it took me nearly a week to really get my head around how to use target in conjunction with the ED controller config. Once I did though - wow!

If you want to get the most out of the HOTAS, you will need to use target. I know people say you don't need to, and strictly speaking they are correct, but in my mind if I'm paying this much for a bit of kit I want to get everything I can from it! If you don't use target some stick buttons will conflict with the throttle buttons making it really confusing if you try to use them.

Be sure to make yourself a custom binding file in ED. If you don't, you'll periodically find you lose all your bindings with updates, or through loading the game without launching target and it will drive you nuts. There are instruction in the forums on how to do this and it will save you hours.

 

[Time Streamer]

The warthog has two problems that makes me not want to buy it. First, it has toggle switches that aren't momentary switches, so they aren't as intuitive to use as the x-55 in this game. Also, it has a very stiff feel, I mean you really have to use some muscle to move the stick around, and in long game play sessions, I expect it to get very tiring.

I am currently using the Logitech extreme 3d pro, and I kind of like it. It does what I need it to, but the twist rudder is hard on the wrist. I plan to go with the CH fighterstick and CH throttle, CH rudder pedals, and CH switch panel. From what I've read, and from the reviews I've watched on youtube, the CH products last forever, some people have had their CH flight sticks for 20 years and still use them. Also, the action is light and smooth, so it will be comfortable through long game sessions. With the customizable switch panel, I won't ever have to use the keyboard except to talk in comms. It will be some $$$ for everything, but once I have all these pieces, I won't want for another piece of control kit for anything.

Don't get me wrong, the warthog is a great stick, and its worth every penny for its all metal construction, and solid feel, you can't beat it. I just really want a lighter smoother stick for this game because I think it will make me better in combat.

I believe the first problem can be solved with TARGET. About the second one i had the same thought when i unpacked mine but now i'm totally used to it. Not that you're holding something heavy with no precision. This beast responds to every move, it stops when i want and the resistance in the stick (completly absent from my previous X52 Pro) isn't a downside. IMHO it makes feel whatever you're playing more realistic since you're not holding something that behaves like a toy and it doesn't hinder movement at all. I can push the stick abruptly and Elite responds to it quite well.

I haven't even plugged this thing in yet, and I'm already wiping the drool off it.

Ain't that cool? Hope you'll have as much fun as i'm having with it. Excluding GPU upgrades and my CPU this is the only expensive buy i've made to my gaming rig worth every little cent.

 

[Remo]

Love my Warthog. There is no comparison. Anybody who says otherwise is either ignorant, or selling you something. Here's mine:

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Screw the Warthog, I want your setup

 

[tinimark]

It's also possible to map the pedals of pretty much any steering wheel set using software called vJoy and UJR.

I didn't want to splash out for proper rudder pedals and I didn't want to have to keep changing them over when driving or flying.
I use Logitech G27 wheel and pedals. Works perfectly well.

Also...fwiw, when I first got the Warthog, I had no idea there was no twist axis and actually broke the gimbal inside the stick trying to do so. Luckily TM sold me a spare part and I was able to replace it.
A few other people have broken this part as well. That's a real pity as the rest of the construction is pretty solid.

 

[graham.reeds]

I got my Warthog for the Alpha. I've been tweaking my config as needed.

This is how I set mine up:
- First I set the selection to keyboard only.
- I then started the first tutorial mission and tried to play it
- As I came across buttons I needed I set them to what felt comfortable.
- When I completed a tutorial, I replayed it again so I didn't need to configure a button or look one up.
- Only when I had completed the tutorials did I play the game.

 

[NeoMorph WTH]

Also...fwiw, when I first got the Warthog, I had no idea there was no twist axis and actually broke the gimbal inside the stick trying to do so. Luckily TM sold me a spare part and I was able to replace it.
A few other people have broken this part as well. That's a real pity as the rest of the construction is pretty solid.

I've seen this problem happen on the Cougar... One thing that did worry me about the Warthog (especially when I found the thing was so stiff when I first tried it). I've removed the spring and am hoping that helps... The gimbals brackets are the weak point on pretty much all joysticks yet I've never had a Thrustmaster PLASTIC joystick fail once on me. I have to admit I was shocked when my Warthog arrived and I found the joystick was pretty much all metal. Since doing the spring mod it is is smooth as anything.

Also has anyone seen the trailer for the upcoming SyFi series called "The Expanse"? Look at 0:08... that should put the "The non-twisting yaw Warthog doesn't belong in space" to sleep heh.

[video=youtube;yP2BoUMSK-0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP2BoUMSK-0[/video]

 

[fichtel]

Have a Warthog, too, and its amazing!

I have removed the big spring in the Stick, especially for flying helicopters in DCS it is perfect now, because the pressure for centering is way less.

 

[Elprez]

don't hate bro

Let's keep this a "give jmg as much play time tonight" and not a "X55 vs. warthog" thread. I'll dive into those threads on the plane.

I looked at getting one but saw that it did not have a twist stick for the rudder. That has to be a killer. Why they would not include that on such a costly device is weird. i guess they assume you have that with rudder pedals but not everyone wants to mess with pedals.

 

[who?]

I looked at getting one but saw that it did not have a twist stick for the rudder. That has to be a killer. Why they would not include that on such a costly device is weird. i guess they assume you have that with rudder pedals but not everyone wants to mess with pedals.

I believe it's meant to be an A-10 stick replica, which obviously wasn't a twist stick.

Personally I prefer not having it, but I guess if the stick twist could be disabled/locked for those who don't want it, that would suit everyone.

 

[Tarman]

I looked at getting one but saw that it did not have a twist stick for the rudder. That has to be a killer. Why they would not include that on such a costly device is weird. i guess they assume you have that with rudder pedals but not everyone wants to mess with pedals.

Real A-10s do not have a twist. Hence its replica stick does not.


Aaaand shurikened.