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It's just common sense ziggy. The trouble makers in their expensive pythons and condas, didnt get them by being pirates in open.
Maybe they were trading only in open but I would still doubt that.
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So nobody with a Python or Anaconda earned them 100% in Open? What about those who didn't earn them in Open but aren't troublemakers? What about troublemakers in smaller ships?
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I have a Python from earning 100% of my money in open, but its not from piracy. That would be impossible.
Yep.
And even instancing issues aside, there is also the issues of timezones. I am guessing here but I think this is a very Euro/American-centric populated game is it not? So if people in, for example, Japan are playing during their evening then most of the European players are off to work and most of the Americans are in beddy bye boes. That makes for a less populated game thus (according to the theory of some of the notable PvP advocates) an easier game.
So for the sake of fairness should we force people playing CGs to play at the same time, GMT, around the world?
I recognize you from my pirating videos, I shot your python up the other day as you thought dropping 20t of cargo was less than your repair costs. I also remember you only dropped 10-15t instead of the requested 20t so if you're ever back in open I'll be coming back for the other 10
I think you'll find that most of the people asking for higher bounties, better high/low security space and harsher consequences for piracy/murder are actually the open play pirates.
The new changes in 1.3 will only really affect credit farmers and not do enough to stop random pking in open (which is just as bad for pirates as we get a bad name).
If you notice there's no incentive to keep a bounty but a lot of us legitimate pirates do.
We want the crime and punishment system fixed as much you do and I'm sorry to see you go to solo because of a few bad experiences.
You sir are the reason i wont play in solo anymore, I had grieffers kill me twice that morning because i bought a new python in "their system" and trying to make a little cash back on my first run i encountered my first pirate, I had never had to dump cargo before so i was trying too when you killed my thrusters leaving me to die in space thus wiping me back to a sidewinder and to boot you combat logged into solo to pick up the cargo before my wingman showed up, i tried explaining that to you before you killed my thrusters but hey you combat logged back to solo so fast you did not see the message ....
I may have been stupid for over investing in cargo and losing it all but at least i never b&$#*ed out back to solo during the encounter or after, You are part of the reason why open will never be as popular as it could be.
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I abandoned this thread a while ago but Ziggy told me it might be worthwhile to come back and take a look, so I did. I have to say to start off, that this whole thread needs to be deleted and rebooted. Approaching 10k posts and multiple thread merges, this has to be one of the biggest trainwrecks in internet forum history. Theres no way I'm going to go back through it all since I left at around page 30, but I did just want to weigh in on some of the common points of view I see in the last 10 pages or so. Some of you may recognize your points of view paraphrased, I'd like to give everyone credit but I just don't feel like digging for the names.
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OPEN PLAY IS A GRIEFER HELLHOLE There's really nothing but anecdotal eveidence to either support or deny this claim. There's alot of open players who have very good experiences in open and there are some who have had bad, even game ruining experiences with griefers. From what I understand and have seen on YouTube David Braben himself might now be one the latter. The truth on this matter is irrelevant. The fact is, for some just the fear of being griefed by juvenile players and cheats who can only experience joy from a game by ruining that of others, keeps them out of open. I learned myself from playing UO on day one to be very wary of games that offer sandbox play that permits players to commit violent acts against other players. FD I think has come up with the best solution to date for dealing with that issue by offering three play modes and allowing players to bounce back forth between them and not have to reroll a new character for each, yet still have gameplay in all three modes affect the universe at large. It's actually a pretty elegant solution to an old problem that offers gameplay choices unique to any other MMO. Take myself for example. Right now I spend most of my time in group play winging up with friends. I want to do pvp at some point, but my goal was to get my self well outfitted and established with ships and money. That way, when I tackle pvp so and if things go bad (and they probably will), its not going to break my game, and when my insurance cushion runs low I can go back to group/solo and build it back up again. I'm going to pvp when I'm ready, I dont want it to be forced on me by other players or gameplay mechanics either for that matter. No other game offers this - in WoW, if you want to bounce back and forth between PvE and PvP you have to pay money for them to move your character. I did alot of reasearch before buying ED, and to be honest, if these gameplay modes werent available and work as they do now, I never would have bought it if I were going to be forced to play open right off the bat.
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SOLO PLAYERS HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE AGAINST OPEN PLAYERS IN CG EVENTS. Not true, It doesn't favor one side or the other where opposing CG's are in effect, because bothe sides can play solo if they choose. I feel CG events actually cater to Open PvP'ers by bring massive amounts of player traffic to a single point in space. Its akin to ringing the dinner bell for pirates, so lets be frank for a moment - solo doesn't offer any advantage in a CG by being able to participate unmolested by player pirates, because those folk aren't really participating in community goals anyway. Open players (some anyway) feel its unfair only because solo diminishes their ability to disrupt the CG.
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THERE ARE NO "OPEN" or "SOLO" PLAYERS. THERE ARE ONLY PLAYERS. Kudos whoever said this, because this cuts close to the heart of ED. In a game that offers free participation in any game mode, why does they playerbase feel it needs to polarize itself and pit one gameplay mode against another? We are all playing the same game! I see alot of comments like "ED needs to figure out what it wants to be - PvE or PvP!" or that ED is not going to have a long shelf life unless it chooses one gameplay mode over another. I say, poppycock! Who made that rule? To my way of thinking, the game does best by catering to all types of players, and FD made a wise decision to do it they way they did. I'm proof of that because like I said, without the option to choose I would not be here right now.
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OPEN PLAY IS A GRIEFER HELLHOLE There's really nothing but anecdotal eveidence to either support or deny this claim. There's alot of open players who have very good experiences in open and there are some who have had bad, even game ruining experiences with griefers. From what I understand and have seen on YouTube David Braben himself might now be one the latter. The truth on this matter is irrelevant. The fact is, for some just the fear of being griefed by juvenile players and cheats who can only experience joy from a game by ruining that of others, keeps them out of open. I learned myself from playing UO on day one to be very wary of games that offer sandbox play that permits players to commit violent acts against other players. FD I think has come up with the best solution to date for dealing with that issue by offering three play modes and allowing players to bounce back forth between them and not have to reroll a new character for each, yet still have gameplay in all three modes affect the universe at large. It's actually a pretty elegant solution to an old problem that offers gameplay choices unique to any other MMO. Take myself for example. Right now I spend most of my time in group play winging up with friends. I want to do pvp at some point, but my goal was to get my self well outfitted and established with ships and money. That way, when I tackle pvp so and if things go bad (and they probably will), its not going to break my game, and when my insurance cushion runs low I can go back to group/solo and build it back up again. I'm going to pvp when I'm ready, I dont want it to be forced on me by other players or gameplay mechanics either for that matter. No other game offers this - in WoW, if you want to bounce back and forth between PvE and PvP you have to pay money for them to move your character. I did alot of reasearch before buying ED, and to be honest, if these gameplay modes werent available and work as they do now, I never would have bought it if I were going to be forced to play open right off the bat.
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SOLO PLAYERS HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE AGAINST OPEN PLAYERS IN CG EVENTS. Not true, It doesn't favor one side or the other where opposing CG's are in effect, because bothe sides can play solo if they choose. I feel CG events actually cater to Open PvP'ers by bring massive amounts of player traffic to a single point in space. Its akin to ringing the dinner bell for pirates, so lets be frank for a moment - solo doesn't offer any advantage in a CG by being able to participate unmolested by player pirates, because those folk aren't really participating in community goals anyway. Open players (some anyway) feel its unfair only because solo diminishes their ability to disrupt the CG.
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THERE ARE NO "OPEN" or "SOLO" PLAYERS. THERE ARE ONLY PLAYERS. Kudos whoever said this, because this cuts close to the heart of ED. In a game that offers free participation in any game mode, why does they playerbase feel it needs to polarize itself and pit one gameplay mode against another? We are all playing the same game! I see alot of comments like "ED needs to figure out what it wants to be - PvE or PvP!" or that ED is not going to have a long shelf life unless it chooses one gameplay mode over another. I say, poppycock! Who made that rule? To my way of thinking, the game does best by catering to all types of players, and FD made a wise decision to do it they way they did. I'm proof of that because like I said, without the option to choose I would not be here right now.
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He killed your thrusters so you destructed??
Sorry if i am being totally daft here, but I thought that was no longer a death sentence and you could reboot your systems when that happened now?
if you self destructed from that, it could be you blew up for no reason.
as for him CLing............... ......... IF its true that is pretty lame, but I have a feeling he may not like that you just named and shamed him.
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Also surely he couldn't combat log to solo to pick up cargo as the cargo wouldn't be in solo to pick up...
dunno, having never CLed myself I am not sure how it works............. I am certainly not accusing him (killakiwi) of making stuff up, but I do believe he may be mistaken and it been a network burp.
I do not always agree with Distance, but he has never come across to me as the sort of person to CL due to cowardice, esp after starting the fight himself.
I do not always agree with Distance, but he has never come across to me as the sort of person to CL due to cowardice, esp after starting the fight himself.
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I have no idea if i could have rebooted my systems, I am relatively new to this game and it is my first space/flight combat sim. One of the reasons i kinda panicked when being attacked by a pirate for the first time.
I did not name and shame he brought himself into the conversation with his side of the story i just brought mine.
If not a Cl why would he disappear from radar and my communication not go through? and when my wingman jumped in he too could not see him anywhere?
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Right you're wrong on all counts here m8 and I can even upload the video to prove it.
I play the game as a pirate as honourably as possible using the current in game mechanics.
I always message my target after interdiction. I will never fire a shot unless the target tries to run or fight. I don't recall you saying anything to me, if you had I would have stopped shooting and opened a dialogue. I will check the video though and this is the reason why I get every interdiction on video so I can refute any accusations of griefing.
I shot out your drives to stop you running away. Once your drives are out you carry on moving at the same velocity and direction that you were moving at before you lost drives. This is why shooting the cargo hatch or hatch breakers doesn't work.
You can reboot and repair now so losing drives isn't a death sentence.
After you dropped cargo you carried on flying so I stayed by the cargo to scoop it and you carried on your merry way and I disappeared off your radar. I didn't "combat log to solo". You can't do that anyway as once you leave to main menu your instance is wiped.
It's your lack of understanding of the game mechanics that is at fault here not me. Quit labeling pirates are griefers, I'm not a griefer.
I'm off to find the video and give it another watch, I can even upload it here if you wish. I'll comment again after.
I agree with you that people can choose where to play. My complaint to this is that those that desire to play in Open do not really have a choice, if their goal is to support the side in the competing goal they want to win. They are forced to go to Private 'modes' to have their side remain competitive.
Many feel there is no 'win or lose' in Elite. In 90% of the game they are correct. In competing goals, this is the only place in the game, where there are win/lose states AND where speed to completion matters. Open players do not get a fair shake within this content IF they remain in Open, thus they feel forced to play away from their desired 'mode'. Many of us are hoping this problem is addressed and fixed in a way that everyone has equivalency within these types of events...or the events themselves are no longer utilized with the controversial rule sets that have been used in the past. Otherwise, Open players will not feel effective within these types of events and will not participate.
yeah not all of the mechanics are......... shall we say, taught very clearly in Elite, and there is a lot of trial and error. it used to be that disabled ship was a death sentance but it was changed a few months back.
if you go into your.................. right panel i think it is, one of the options there is to reboot, this cannibalises other equipment and gets you running again. its basic limping home stuff, but it can save your life in a pinch. I know what you mean about panicing. it happens to all of us at some point, am sorry it took till you got to an expensive ship to happen to you.
Worse i have done was boosting a fully loaded up T7 into a station wall due to a ghost keypress on my X55 flight stick. I felt pig sick....... foruntely i hit a very small window of a bug where my cargo was accidentally restored with my new ship... talk about lucky day
fly safe cmdr
What about those players in Open who completely ignore such events as they are utterly irrelevant to their chosen style of gameplay? Are they at a disadvantage? Or does their non-participation disadvantage other players? I really don't see what all the fuss is about here.
If that is the case why could i not message you, It came back with message stating you were no longer online or something to that effect. My wingman could not spot you either. You killed my thrusters i left the ship running for a further ten minutes or so to see if they would self repair i had no idea about the rebooting ( yes that is my fault i admit that ).
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yeah not all of the mechanics are......... shall we say, taught very clearly in Elite, and there is a lot of trial and error. it used to be that disabled ship was a death sentance but it was changed a few months back.
if you go into your.................. right panel i think it is, one of the options there is to reboot, this cannibalises other equipment and gets you running again. its basic limping home stuff, but it can save your life in a pinch. I know what you mean about panicing. it happens to all of us at some point, am sorry it took till you got to an expensive ship to happen to you.
Worse i have done was boosting a fully loaded up T7 into a station wall due to a ghost keypress on my X55 flight stick. I felt pig sick....... foruntely i hit a very small window of a bug where my cargo was accidentally restored with my new ship... talk about lucky day
fly safe cmdr
Thank you for the info, I had no idea about that. I may still have python if i had of known that.
Oh well i will stick to the private group friends and I have created and not venture forth into open anymore.
After watching the video you never once tried to talk to me. You stopped at one point and then when I asked if you were stopping you boosted away so I shot out your drives. I gave you time to drop or respond so I started shooting again until you dropped cargo, as soon as you dropped I stopped shooting and went to scoop cargo.
If you had gone so far away from me with your thrusters out I might have already scooped and gone or been out of range of you by the time you sent a message. If your wingman jumped in it could have made a new instance.
I have the video if you want me to upload it but I had already edited the scooping part out as it's about to go in to a clip video I'm putting on youtube tonight. The sad thing is I probably can't put my pirating videos on the forum due to traders swearing at me. I'll pm the video when it's up so you can see it though.
Anyway I'm sorry you feel like you need to leave open due to legitimate piracy but it is part of the game.
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Of course i tried to boost away, I had limited shields and no weapons and never encountered a pirate before... Honor in pirates shooting unarmed traders? Like i said i had been killed by two grieffers earlier and not 30 minutes later with my first load i was stopped by yet another for my cargo...
I tried messaging you after my thrusters went out but it came back stating you were no longer around.
It takes me about 3 minutes to scoop 20t of cargo if not less as you usually have to scoop fast before the police arrive.
The problem if running from a player is completely different from running from an npc. Unless you're in a cobra or a clipper the chance of running away is slim. That's the reason why we ask people to stop because I personally don't want to waste my ammo on a trader it costs too much.
Pirates go after unarmed traders, that's the point it's good business sense. No one tries to rob a fully armed anaconda . . .
We have to use brute force because there's no other way to stop players running and we kill because 1. combat loggers 2. no one takes a pirate seriously if you don't back up your threat.
Believe it or not we let a lot of people go for having no cargo or low quality cargo. The problem is you don't normally find that out until you've incapacitated a player.
Most of the time if a trader does stop and drop without firing a shot I end up having a chat with the player, share some trade routes (I used to be a trader) and make we both new friend.
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guys... its friday... its sunny, (at least in cambridge) why not call a truce on this one? Elite has a hell of a tough learning curve and I can see why you would feel hard done by, but, piracy is a part of elite. There are a group of absolute ass hats who play the game in open, doing all sorts of stuff and killing on sight. These I hope will be stamped out sooner or later, but, piracy is a genuine roll in Elite. Sucks to be pirated but it sounds like Distance did nothing wrong.
you were unfortunate in that you died when you did not have to....... but as i said, it happens to all of us.... stick with a few friends, learn the ropes and experiement with the different settings in private group (no shame in that, Ip lay in private most of the time, its how I roll) and then when you feel more comfortable with the mechanics come back, and if it happens again, you will then know how to drop cargo...... or stall till your mates get there and kick his pirate ass
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