X55 Rhino Button Layout with Reference Card

[Aussiedroid]

Hi, Aussiedroid!

I have to say, I admire the effort you have put in wrt the profiling, the result looks really great. I have an x55 as well, and have been fiddling with the programming software for some time now. However, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to program "modes", as you seem to be able to. That is, I've figured out how to program buttons to have different functions when the mode switch on the throttle is set to 1, 2 or 3. What I have not been able to figure out is how to program different functions within mode 1, while holding down a mode switch (specifically: the red pinky switch). I seem to recall this was possible in the programming software that came with the X45, but I can't seem to get it working now.

Neither the Saitek/MadCatz manual nor explanatory videos on youtube (or any other site I could find via google) have been able to help. Since you obviously know what you're doing, I was hoping you could help me understand how this could be done.

Thank you Vegar!

I think I understand your issue. Firstly, just to point out, the mode switches I have set up have all been mapped directly in ED (hold one button and press the second to map). This gave me some different mappings to a single key without having to use the full mode switch option on the X55. The full mode switch option on the X55 I actually havent used.

Saying that, to use the full mode switch, you would really need to map all the keys to the Saitek profile software, but this might depend on what you want to do. If you only had it mapped in ED, then I believe you wouldnt be able to change the mapping per mode in Saitek software. From what I understand, once you have set up a mapping in your Saitek profile you can set that to any key on any mode you want. You need to change the View to see the other modes, which should show a grid view so you can easily map across the modes.

This might help, its not for ED but covers the basics (fast forward to about 18min mark for a quick bit on the modes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr9Oi1jc4wg

Hope it helps!

I'm especially impressed with how you seem to have been able to get one button to function both as a mode switch and as a concrete function (FA off)

A peculiarity in the way the buttons work I think (was just luck that I came across it, or should I say messy button programming lol). ED seems to be able to identify that both a single key press is pressed (FA Off) and also identify that the combo is being used and also functions at the same time. Being you press the button in short presses, the FA Off doesn't really interfere with the mode switch.


P.S - For those using my profile currently, I am working on a 'Powerplay' 1.5 update that I am testing. I will post it once Powerplay is released (and I know there is no more new buttons to map )

 

[Digidice]

Hi

I just recived my x55 and trying out your settings now (Aussiedroid)

When i load it up in elite dangerous control settings, the ship start pushing down right away and i don`t know how to find out what is doing it.
When i load other like default x55 it stops.

What can it be that does this ?

Thanks

 

[Nitrius]

Update (v1.4) to my X-55 Ultimate Profile has just gone live.

Few fixes, few additions and few improvements.

Changes in this version:

- Added default mapping for Headlook Toggle & Headlook Center (for Non-TrackIR users). Headlook mode is disabled by default though, so please turn this on in the ED Controls section prior to use.
- Fixed Sensor Range Axis direction.
- Fixed Galaxy Map Zoom prevent Text Box use.
- Add two optional Rotary Axis mappings for the vacant Throttle Rotary (Wingman Target 1-3 & Target/System Panel. I have left these disabled by default, but can be added yourself. Key mappings are done in ED & Saitek profile so, you only need to set the Rotary to Bands in the Saitek software and duplicate the configuration found in the 'Optional Rotary-G Settings' pics folder.
- Reverted back to Forward Throttle with Reverse Toggle as default (prevent accidents for new users).
- All profiles now are name with the version numbers. This will allow you to easily add new versions to your existing versions & switch between.
- Installation Instructions Updated.


For those using previous versions, please update all 3 profiles (ED, Saitek & TrackIR).

Please report back any issues found. I am currently still out exploring close to Sag A*, so some keys I cannot fully test.

Thank you.

Hello, interested in your setup, but am curious on some points, what's the need of adjusting the stick curves? And the mouse nipple fix, is it really needed if you don't mind the nipple controlling the mouse?

 

[Aussiedroid]

Hi

I just recived my x55 and trying out your settings now (Aussiedroid)
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/images.elite/statusicon/user-online.pngWhen i load it up in elite dangerous control settings, the ship start pushing down right away and i don`t know how to find out what is doing it.
When i load other like default x55 it stops.

What can it be that does this ?

Thanks

Hey Digidice, sorry to hear you are having issues. I would suspect it is the thrusters that are causing the issue if you are stuck moving down. The thrusters are mapped to the analog stick on the throttle (if you used the nipple fix reg file) and the hat switch on the joystick.

Before trying anything though, just to state the basics, please make sure you have tried restarting PC, and also reloading, applying and save Saitek profile again. Saitek software has caused issues in the past, and some others that have had issues with a specific key or mapping have found after several attempts it comes good. Also if you can, it would be worth testing the controllers on another set of USB ports. Make sure your rotary dials are all centered too before plugging in, and make sure you have the latest version of the Saitek software installed.

Failing that, in Windows, you can also test the buttons by typing 'joy.cpl' into your run/start menu. See if there is a button stuck on. If there is, then check your hardware as it may indicate something faulty with the button. Also if the button shows being stuck here, it is not profile related, it is hardware related.

If no buttons are showing stuck, you are tried everything else above and still having issues, then I would recommend in ED, to remove the mapping for the analog thrusters (on the stick on throttle), apply the updates and test again. If still an issue then try remapping/removing the digital thruster controls on the hat switch on the joystick. Perhaps could also try mapping something else to the button and see if that also causes issues. You could also try removing the mappings for the thrusters and then apply to save, then remap the same keys back again (that has fixed a button issue for me in the past). Good luck.

Let me know if you are still having issues

Hello, interested in your setup, but am curious on some points, what's the need of adjusting the stick curves? And the mouse nipple fix, is it really needed if you don't mind the nipple controlling the mouse?

Thanks Nitrius.

Both are really optional settings.

For the nipple fix, as I mentioned in my post, it basically does a single thing to add the direct mappings for the axis available in Windows. This means that it can be mapped in ED (or other games) rather than only via Saitek software. If you are only using mouse you don't really need it, but installing it shouldn't impact what you are doing now. It would mean if you install then it would follow my mappings in ED rather than the default in Saitek, just to advise if you choose to use the profiles. If you dont install then my mappings simply wont work, and will default to the mouse mapped in Saitek.

The stick curves are a personal preference to assist with my aiming. I often found myself overshooting the mark on small movements making it hard to keep on track all the time. I noticed this was due to the spring mechanism & lip on the X55 where there is a bit of extra pressure to get over the initial neutral position, so to counteract that I reduced the acceleration in the intial part of the curve, and over the full motion returns to 'normal' acceleration from the middle outwards. Easy to try and turn back to default if you don't like the feel of it.

Can still use the rest of the profiles without those if you prefer or modify to suit your own preference.

Cheers All!

 

[Nitrius]

Thanks Nitrius.

Both are really optional settings.

For the nipple fix, as I mentioned in my post, it basically does a single thing to add the direct mappings for the axis available in Windows. This means that it can be mapped in ED (or other games) rather than only via Saitek software. If you are only using mouse you don't really need it, but installing it shouldn't impact what you are doing now. It would mean if you install then it would follow my mappings in ED rather than the default in Saitek, just to advise if you choose to use the profiles. If you dont install then my mappings simply wont work, and will default to the mouse mapped in Saitek.

The stick curves are a personal preference to assist with my aiming. I often found myself overshooting the mark on small movements making it hard to keep on track all the time. I noticed this was due to the spring mechanism & lip on the X55 where there is a bit of extra pressure to get over the initial neutral position, so to counteract that I reduced the acceleration in the intial part of the curve, and over the full motion returns to 'normal' acceleration from the middle outwards. Easy to try and turn back to default if you don't like the feel of it.

Can still use the rest of the profiles without those if you prefer or modify to suit your own preference.

Cheers All!

Thanks for the answer Am currently trying your setup, without trackir and without the stick curves. Anyway got a few more questions, any reason why you've changed the z and x axis around? And you've also enabled "Yaw into roll - on initial roll" which works okay for flying around, but trying to straighten the ship out when trying to dock for example got really hard for me, any tips, or maybe am missing something?

 

[stefman123]

Hi aus thanks for the great profile i just got my new stick the only problem im having with it is up down left right thrust (ss for referance with me holding the button) this is using the hat the mouse nipple i used your reg edit for but still seems not to work any help appreciated

edit it also looks like screen shot and fps twisters are not working for me i followed the setup did i miss something?

stef

 

[Aussiedroid]

Thanks for the answer Am currently trying your setup, without trackir and without the stick curves. Anyway got a few more questions, any reason why you've changed the z and x axis around? And you've also enabled "Yaw into roll - on initial roll" which works okay for flying around, but trying to straighten the ship out when trying to dock for example got really hard for me, any tips, or maybe am missing something?

Not missing anything mate Its the way I like it is the short answer (go into why further in my post to why I swapped the axis). The slight yaw to roll doesn't really impact me when I am docking and feels more natural when out in space, but both that setting and the axis are easy to swap if you prefer it the other way.

In my profile I do not have any docking keys setup (you can set a separate set of keys for whey you are docking), so it will default, but you can choose to map different commands just when you are docking. I am not in front of my gaming PC atm, but I think you might be able to change the yaw into roll in there just for docking. If you set any commands in the docking section they will override the default when at a station.

For docking, I will generally roll into position, then use yaw to line up further. You don't really notice the yaw to roll too much when doing one axis adjustment at a time (if that makes sense). Practice, practice Oh makes sure Rotational Correction is enabled (if it isnt it can make docking hard!).

Hi aus thanks for the great profile i just got my new stick the only problem im having with it is up down left right thrust (ss for referance with me holding the button) this is using the hat the mouse nipple i used your reg edit for but still seems not to work any help appreciated

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edit it also looks like screen shot and fps twisters are not working for me i followed the setup did i miss something?

stef

Hmmm, Hi Stefman123,

It seems from your comment that all the keys are working but not those mapped directly in Saitek software? Do other keys like Auto-Docking, Frameshift drive etc work? Did they test ok in the Saitek software? Just not working in Elite?

I would first try the basics, restart, replug in your devices once windows starts, load the Saitek profile (then Apply to controllers & Save again). Go back through the installation instructions and let me know if you get stuck somewhere when testing etc.

There seems to be some bugs in the Saitek software from others that have had similar issues with one or multple keys not working, so I am thinking it is likely an issue on that side of things.

For the Thrusters on the Nipple, haven't seen that one before. Can you try to reapply the reg file and ensure you have restarted since applying and try again? Can you go to your joy.cpl from start menu and test if the stick is working natively in windows now?

Cheers guys

Let me know how you go

 

[Nitrius]

Not missing anything mate Its the way I like it is the short answer (go into why further in my post to why I swapped the axis). The slight yaw to roll doesn't really impact me when I am docking and feels more natural when out in space, but both that setting and the axis are easy to swap if you prefer it the other way.

In my profile I do not have any docking keys setup (you can set a separate set of keys for whey you are docking), so it will default, but you can choose to map different commands just when you are docking. I am not in front of my gaming PC atm, but I think you might be able to change the yaw into roll in there just for docking. If you set any commands in the docking section they will override the default when at a station.

For docking, I will generally roll into position, then use yaw to line up further. You don't really notice the yaw to roll too much when doing one axis adjustment at a time (if that makes sense). Practice, practice Oh makes sure Rotational Correction is enabled (if it isnt it can make docking hard!).

Once again, thanks for your answer. yet again, i have another question, hope you don't mind. The slider, for the frame shift drive, am not sure if my button is a bit broken or what, but when i slide it, it looks to be pressing and releasing the scroll lock button rapidly, forever, if i don't slide it back, is this normal?

Edit: Weird, after some toggling of the slider button it now seems to function like it should, sliding it up presses and releases scroll lock once, and the same the other way, might this indicate a faulty button maybe?
Edit2: Looks like changing USB port have fixed the "problem".

 

[Strawb77]

nice one for share, given me some inspiration [and a great place to start!].

 

[Aussiedroid]

Once again, thanks for your answer. yet again, i have another question, hope you don't mind. The slider, for the frame shift drive, am not sure if my button is a bit broken or what, but when i slide it, it looks to be pressing and releasing the scroll lock button rapidly, forever, if i don't slide it back, is this normal?

Edit: Weird, after some toggling of the slider button it now seems to function like it should, sliding it up presses and releases scroll lock once, and the same the other way, might this indicate a faulty button maybe?
Edit2: Looks like changing USB port have fixed the "problem".

No worries! Glad its working now.

That weird behaviour is Saitek's glitches generally. The software, or applying the updates to the controller are a bit buggy. I've had those sort of issues before and most of the issues raised from others seem to be odd things like you have seen too.

Fly safe CMDR

 

[stefman123]

Not missing anything mate Its the way I like it is the short answer (go into why further in my post to why I swapped the axis). The slight yaw to roll doesn't really impact me when I am docking and feels more natural when out in space, but both that setting and the axis are easy to swap if you prefer it the other way.

In my profile I do not have any docking keys setup (you can set a separate set of keys for whey you are docking), so it will default, but you can choose to map different commands just when you are docking. I am not in front of my gaming PC atm, but I think you might be able to change the yaw into roll in there just for docking. If you set any commands in the docking section they will override the default when at a station.

For docking, I will generally roll into position, then use yaw to line up further. You don't really notice the yaw to roll too much when doing one axis adjustment at a time (if that makes sense). Practice, practice Oh makes sure Rotational Correction is enabled (if it isnt it can make docking hard!).



Hmmm, Hi Stefman123,

It seems from your comment that all the keys are working but not those mapped directly in Saitek software? Do other keys like Auto-Docking, Frameshift drive etc work? Did they test ok in the Saitek software? Just not working in Elite?

I would first try the basics, restart, replug in your devices once windows starts, load the Saitek profile (then Apply to controllers & Save again). Go back through the installation instructions and let me know if you get stuck somewhere when testing etc.

There seems to be some bugs in the Saitek software from others that have had similar issues with one or multple keys not working, so I am thinking it is likely an issue on that side of things.

For the Thrusters on the Nipple, haven't seen that one before. Can you try to reapply the reg file and ensure you have restarted since applying and try again? Can you go to your joy.cpl from start menu and test if the stick is working natively in windows now?

Cheers guys

Let me know how you go

Hey thanks for the response sorry im replying so late I managed to get most working by re applying everything so i must have missed something i couldnt get the nipple working for the thrusters but ive set up alternate binds that feel slightly better for my hand.I do belive there is either some issue with the stick or its driver though so im trying to figure that out.About every 15-20 mins all the joysticks buttons will stop working but the joystick itself still responds to being moved so im probably going to have to do a complete reinstall of it its all i can think of at this point. After reapplying settings it was working fine last night however today after extended use its started playing up and the problem with the buttons hat pov everything started.

 

[Aussiedroid]

Hey thanks for the response sorry im replying so late I managed to get most working by re applying everything so i must have missed something i couldnt get the nipple working for the thrusters but ive set up alternate binds that feel slightly better for my hand.I do belive there is either some issue with the stick or its driver though so im trying to figure that out.About every 15-20 mins all the joysticks buttons will stop working but the joystick itself still responds to being moved so im probably going to have to do a complete reinstall of it its all i can think of at this point. After reapplying settings it was working fine last night however today after extended use its started playing up and the problem with the buttons hat pov everything started.

There is a chance there is some fault in your device, but it might be the USB ports too. The X55 needs a lot of power from the port and some PCs have issues with them. If you can try another set of USB ports or a powered USB hub it might help. Also can try moving from USB 3 to USB 2 ports etc.

 

[Nitrius]

No worries! Glad its working now.

That weird behaviour is Saitek's glitches generally. The software, or applying the updates to the controller are a bit buggy. I've had those sort of issues before and most of the issues raised from others seem to be odd things like you have seen too.

Fly safe CMDR

Hmm, looks like it didn't completely remove the problem after all, seems to be very random, sometimes sliding the slider keeps on pressing/releasing the scroll lock forever, and sometimes it only does it once. Don't suppose you got any other suggestions?

Edit: Looks like it was teamspeak causing the problem, found this: http://support.madcatz.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/518 first i tried without having teamspeak open, then the button function was normal, with teamspeak open it started repeatedly pressing/releasing the button again, so i did what step 1 in that support article suggested, and now it seems to work correctly with teamspeak open as well.

 

[Aussiedroid]

Nice work Nitrius!

That might help others in the same situation - thanks for sharing.

Glad you found an answer cause I was out of suggestion lol!

 

[stefman123]

fixed my controller after a bit of googling there's 2 screws holding a plate where the stick attaches to the base and they were not flush tightened the screws and working perfectly now so they must have been holding the connection between the stick and the base slightly off apparently its a common issues with this stick according to reddit and if you send it back for fixing itll take 2 weeks for em to tighten the screws and send it back to you.As the screws are exposed,easily acsessabull (just unscrew your stick ring) and it does not mean dismantling it may as well do it yourself lol another thing i came across allot as well was people with the same issue changing to the yellow spring and it fixing it so maybe that pushes the plate up and gives better contact to? I haven't changed my spring so im unsure. Just thought id put it down in case anyone is having similar issues.

 

[DidierDrbois]

Ladies and gents flying their incredible machines, wonder if anyone came across my problem with the 'down' direction on the H3 hat losing all 'feel'. I mean it does work but all feedback (like a click or something) is, for no reason whatsoever, gone.
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I've remapped the keys but it bugs me nonetheless. It's too little of a problem to try and RMA it, but is it worth trying to peek inside the throttle lever you think? I googled like crazy, but couldn't find how to do it though.

 

[stefman123]

Ladies and gents flying their incredible machines, wonder if anyone came across my problem with the 'down' direction on the H3 hat losing all 'feel'. I mean it does work but all feedback (like a click or something) is, for no reason whatsoever, gone.
_
I've remapped the keys but it bugs me nonetheless. It's too little of a problem to try and RMA it, but is it worth trying to peek inside the throttle lever you think? I googled like crazy, but couldn't find how to do it though.

I wouldnt take it to bits as itll likely void the warrenty try tightning the screws where the stick screws in though could just be holding one of the contacts off? myne was holding a few contacts off it seems.

 

[DidierDrbois]

I wouldnt take it to bits as itll likely void the warrenty try tightning the screws where the stick screws in though could just be holding one of the contacts off? myne was holding a few contacts off it seems.

Yeah taking the throttle apart does seem drastic. Will check the screws, cheers mate!

 

[stefman123]

Yeah taking the throttle apart does seem drastic. Will check the screws, cheers mate!

Just spoken to a freand who also had issues with his who got it for arma 3 (seems these sticks are very hit or miss) he fixed his by cleaning the contacts with rubbing alcohol(same as you would use to clean a cpu) after noticing some of the ones on the base(the indented ones) had little black spots on them and pressing down very hard when he reattached the stick so try brute forcing it down when tightening the ring of course carefully though.

I know a few peoaple in my arma 3 community use the stick so ill ask them if they had issues and if so solutions as they get on ts for our sunday op to try and help peoaple out.

Stef

 

[Aussiedroid]

Ladies and gents flying their incredible machines, wonder if anyone came across my problem with the 'down' direction on the H3 hat losing all 'feel'. I mean it does work but all feedback (like a click or something) is, for no reason whatsoever, gone.
_
I've remapped the keys but it bugs me nonetheless. It's too little of a problem to try and RMA it, but is it worth trying to peek inside the throttle lever you think? I googled like crazy, but couldn't find how to do it though.

These might help you (use at your own risk ofc ):

Joystick:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTnD3SDHCXQ
Throttle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g02dch8aZls