Calling all Federation Commanders - The Battle for Liaedin begins now

[jpaulwilson1982]

Agreed! I hope the person behind it got an entry in to the film competition.

Good luck in your fight, chaps. Player groups and engagements like this make me wonder whether FD will have to see about some kind of built-in support for them in the game but I guess we'll see!

Yeah, players need to be able to organize within the game, I think. And more RP options in-game would be nice, too.

A while ago I had several ships based in Liaedin. I was around there when you guys' first operation was underway. It sounds like you've got a solid objective in mind and, in as unpartisan way possible, I wish you the best of luck because I think player-instigated 'stuff' like this is great.

I enjoy writing and keep coming back to the idea of maybe (maybe...) trying to act as a sort of roving journalist. With a bit of practice I thought I could then maybe submit reports to Radio Sidewinder or something like that. Do you or the OP think that there'd be scope for a sort of question-and-answer session to ask a bit about your group, objectives and the apparent history behind the Liaedin system?

Definitely. I love when the players work together to bring the game to life.

What do you plan to achieve by doing this? Operations like this will not be tolerated.

Ops like this may not be tolerated, but they're happening nonetheless.

We plan to achieve exactly what I said we would. We will fly into Liaedin as a united Federation and we will take a station in their name.

By doing this we will send a message out to all in this galaxy. A message that the Federation is strong and that together we are united and a message that we do not fear the Empire.

And indeed we don't. Death to the Empire!

So by doing such you plan to create unrest within the system and other systems, so that you may show you are "not scared" of the Empire? This is not the smartest thing and will probably be the last.

Didn't the Imperials attack Volungu for the same reason? To show the Feds that you aren't scared of us?

+1 rep mate, kids think they can just start nonsense and not get the wrath. Theres going to be alot of BASKING going on soon.

Oh, you shall bask... in fire and brimstone

Keep poking that Imperial bear and it's going to maul you.

What? That little thing? It's a panda!

Smartness? Come on, it´s a fed. They are greedy and corrupt, not smart.

When powerplay starts, I will blow EVERY Fed!

What?! lol

Guess I need to fire up the engines, warm up the guns, and start shooting people again.

When this is over, I think I'll open up an ice cream shop on Kohl Terminal. I'll call it 'Basking Robbins', and offer a 10% discount to Imperial pilots.

Don't forget the cyanide- er, I mean, almond flavored sprinkles

 

[CMDR Swift Arrow]

EIC violated the treaty. Then they want to hide behind it when we retaliate. Come on, guys, what sense does that make? I'm not a big policy guy, but if you agree to abide by a certain set of rules, abide by them, damn it! Because if you don't, then your word is no longer the truth. How can we trust that you will do anything?
I live by a simple rule. If I say I'm going to do something, I do it. I don't just do it when I feel like it, or when I want to. I do it all the time. Can you say the same, EIC? Because it looks like you can't.
On top of that, you think the Golden Rule doesn't apply to you, because you are better than everyone else? You attacked Volungu, and now we are hitting back. And you arn't doing well against these Shadow Navy guys, are you? Maybe when you lose all your credits, you'll think twice before breaking your word again.

If EIC violated the treaty, why no official condemnation from the other treaty signatories?

Oh yea, that's right, because the treated isn't being violated.

Honestly, you guys have no sense of logic. If the treaty was really being violated, then the other people who actually signed it should be getting upset. They aren't, which means your understanding of the treaty is completely and utterly wrong.

Temporary lockdowns (which by the way is over, so now the care bears can rest easy) are a legitimate action when it is clear that CFC is being pushed at the expense of others. Combined with a public statement from Shadow Navy on Reddit and GALNET (the in-game gosh darn NEWS for heavens sake), EIC was more than justified.

It is a typical tactic of a terrorist group to engage in activities that force a reaction like a lockdown (because doing otherwise would result in even worse results), and then use said lockdown to try to undermine the stronger military force via propaganda. It's a good tactic, but it's ultimately a terrorist tactic, and clearly an indicator that people who use such tactics are weak and largely ineffective at actually achieving their long term goals.

 

[Lupis]

If EIC violated the treaty, why no official condemnation from the other treaty signatories?

Because you and your pal's "voted" that your illegal lockdown is "okay" because "might makes right" and the Federation is busy making sure their president on safe on her tour.

So Coward's In Company i wonder if you'd do if one system taxed your trade routes. Would you be like your are today and "lockdown" the system and kill any ship that dares fly like the terrorists you are?

 

[CMDR Swift Arrow]

And though Crimson Fortune Company's influence was expanding, I do not recall there being outright blockades or efforts to suppress Imperial traders in the system by the Shadow Navy.

This talk of treaties is meaningless when it is clear who the terrorists really are. EIC should be evicted from the system at once.

You say that, yet when it comes to actually "running security" in Liaedin, you were nowhere to be found.

Lockdown is over (for now) as CFC influence has PLUMMETED to below 15%. You missed your chance to be a hero.

You guys are all bark and no bite unless you can actually go to the lockdown location and actually drive everyone out (and make it stay that way). You talk way too much on the forums, and don't actually do enough battling to back up your convictions.

But it's clear that you guys are either too disorganized, too weak, or to cowardly to actually put your guns where your mouth is and fight. Instead you have to cower in solo or private groups for your pointless mission running.

EIC can back up their words with pulse cannons and plasma accelerators. Can you?

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Because you and your pal's "voted" that your illegal lockdown is "okay" because "might makes right" and the Federation is busy making sure their president on safe on her tour.

Is that a jab against your supposed allies in the Federation? Quite a statement saying that Merchant Marines and the other Federation groups who signed the treaty are now "pals" with EIC.

Why don't you just go all out and call the whole lot of them TRAITORS to the Federation cause. Especially the Merchant Marines after they were labeled as HEROS by your very own SHADOW PRESIDENT.

I do hope you realize that you aren't doing your propaganda team any favors the more you post.

 

[Lupis]

You say that, yet when it comes to actually "running security" in Liaedin, you were nowhere to be found.

Lockdown is over (for now) as CFC influence has PLUMMETED to below 15%. You missed your chance to be a hero.

You guys are all bark and no bite unless you can actually go to the lockdown location and actually drive everyone out (and make it stay that way). You talk way too much on the forums, and don't actually do enough battling to back up your convictions.

But it's clear that you guys are either too disorganized, too weak, or to cowardly to actually put your guns where your mouth is and fight. Instead you have to cower in solo or private groups for your pointless mission running.

EIC can back up their words with pulse cannons and plasma accelerators. Can you?

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Is that a jab against your supposed allies in the Federation? Quite a statement saying that Merchant Marines and the other Federation groups who signed the treaty are now "pals" with EIC.

Why don't you just go all out and call the whole lot of them TRAITORS to the Federation cause. Especially the Merchant Marines after they were labeled as HEROS by your very own SHADOW PRESIDENT.

I do hope you realize that you aren't doing your propaganda team any favors the more you post.

I'm sorry what's that? All i hear is the sound of EIC shredding papers.

(out of character: if anything i'm just a little annoyed that there are stories of EIC just out right killing players after interdicting them for the first time. /end ooc)

 

[CMDR Swift Arrow]

I'm sorry what's that? All i hear is the sound of EIC shredding papers.

(out of character: if anything i'm just a little annoyed that there are stories of EIC just out right killing players after interdicting them for the first time. /end ooc)

HEHE nice try, this lockdown closure was actually scheduled and announced ahead of time on Galnet. I guess you must have missed the memo. xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7FLhScyols

It's about 3:10 or so into the video. Basically we expected stability to return in 18 hours, and EIC largely achieved this goal with CFC going down to below 15%. We expect further declines in the next 24 hours.

I'm sure if you talk to our pilots, they will say that they tried messaging them but were ignored, they didnt respond and tried to low jump. Some of them even have the gall to return after being warned and interdicted. EIC pilots operating in the area were also highly encouraged to maintain records of their interactions SHOWING they tried to warn people as well. I highly doubt those who claimed to be "just shot on successful interdiction" can show similar documentation of their supposed claims, making them less credible sources of information than EIC pilots in most situations. But it doesn't stop them from spreading these untrue stories.

Regardless, lethal force is unfortunately the only way that some people will get the message. If more people were compliant with EIC requests to leave, there would be far fewer unfortunate casualties.

In any case, I highly doubt most of these CMDRs are as "innocent" as they claim. Traffic is typically very low in the system, so a super high level of traffic combined with increases in CFC influence levels is usually a good indication that *most* of these CMDRs were there to boost CFC influence in the area with the goal of inciting civil war.

Lets be honest, Liaedin is good for only one thing: dropping off Empire bounties. Trade is terrible, and very few missions are given out, even the outfitting is lackluster. No res sites either. The place is a DUMP. Why the vast majority of people would go there (besides pushing CFC or EMPIRE or PVP of course) is beyond me, given how there are far better trade opportunities elsewhere.

 

[Isaiah Evanson]

EIC can back up their words with pulse cannons and plasma accelerators. Can you?

Why would we need to when you do such an excellent job of shooting yourselves in the foot with your miserable public relations efforts? Your heavy-handed tactics against both Federal and Imperial ships have done nothing to bolster your position favorably with either side.

Battles might be won in the void, but wars are won in the boardroom. You would do well to remember this going forward.

 

[CMDR Swift Arrow]

Why would we need to when you do such an excellent job of shooting yourselves in the foot with your miserable public relations efforts? Your heavy-handed tactics against both Federal and Imperial ships have done nothing to bolster your position favorably with either side.

Battles might be won in the void, but wars are won in the boardroom. You would do well to remember this going forward.

Kinda like how you failed to get any major Federation player groups like the Merchant Marines to jump onto your bandwagon, but how EIC was able to persuade these groups on the wisdom on holding off on an outright take-over attempt via Treaty of Liaedin for role play reasons? What's it going to take to persuade you guys to just hold off until the game (and the story line) can actually support the glorious mega-war between the Feds and the Empire?

We're still like Season 1 Game of Thrones as far as the EMPIRE is concerned, and the FD team is very big on House of Cards too (gotta get around to watching that show actually).

You guys really missed a great opportunity at 78 Ursae Majoris too, letting it fall to Alliance like that instead of fighting to keep it Federation (not that i'm complaining of course). Huge missed opportunity for a grand war.

In any case, a roughly 24-hour lockdown is hardly going to hurt EIC's reputation. EIC has done operations like this and it never hurt. In fact the Treaty of Liaedin occurred as a result of the FIRST lockdown EIC did. Some of our most hard core members are people who actually got interdicted and killed by us as their first experience with EIC. One of them was in an anaconda, and we thought he said he was with Adel's Armada when they were still KOS. Dude replied "AA" when I asked who he was with, and explained that system was under lockdown.....turns out he meant "Ahh ok".....still joined us tho when he friend-ed me and I cleared up the misunderstanding). So clearly something is working.

Also, it appears your precious CFC is below 15% influence. So we're winning the bulletin board war as well. *evil smile*

 

[Isaiah Evanson]

Kinda like how you failed to get any major Federation player groups like the Merchant Marines to jump onto your bandwagon, but how EIC was able to persuade these groups on the wisdom on holding off on an outright take-over attempt via Treaty of Liaedin for role play reasons? What's it going to take to persuade you guys to just hold off until the game (and the story line) can actually support the glorious mega-war between the Feds and the Empire?

We're still like Season 1 Game of Thrones as far as the EMPIRE is concerned, and the FD team is very big on House of Cards too (gotta get around to watching that show actually).

You guys really missed a great opportunity at 78 Ursae Majoris too, letting it fall to Alliance like that instead of fighting to keep it Federation (not that i'm complaining of course). Huge missed opportunity for a grand war.

In any case, a roughly 24-hour lockdown is hardly going to hurt EIC's reputation. EIC has done operations like this and it never hurt. In fact the Treaty of Liaedin occurred as a result of the FIRST lockdown EIC did. Some of our most hard core members are people who actually got interdicted and killed by us as their first experience with EIC. So clearly something is working.

Also, it appears your precious CFC is below 15% influence. So we're winning the bulletin board war as well. *evil smile*

Did you consider the possibility FD is waiting for the players to push the Big Red Button of Doom on Liaedin?

Just saying.

And as for CFC, as you said, we're still in Season 1 of this whole thing. I suggest you tighten your safety harnesses.

(As an aside, this has actually provided far more interesting possibilities for my experience in E thus far. Bounty hunting with friends is fun, but fighting for a cause in a universe that is shaped and molded by player actions is far more exciting.)

 

[Vasious]

It is now my personal mission to oust the Imperial Factions from Liaedin
I don't which faction ends up taking over so long as the two Imperial Factions are gone.
Found the third station actually had a Bulletin Board with things on it.

One Cmdr in one Ship may not be able to succeed, but I will be darned before I kowtow to bullies such as yourself, since the only solution you can come up with is to shoot everyone on sight and label them Terrorists.

After all your treaty

1. Non-expansion agreement: The Federation and Empire agree to maintain neutral influence in the system and avoid expansion into or out of the Liaedin system so as to maintain peaceful relations between Patron’s Principles and the Crimson Fortune Company
2. Free Travel Clause: This agreement does not restrict any pilot activity in the system provided they do not violate condition 1
3. Infraction Consequences: Any member of the Pilots’ Federation who is found violating the conditions of the treaty will be subject to attack from any faction.

Article Three does not apply to every pilot entering the system for fear they might possiblybe violating article One
The EIC have shot down pilots in direct violation of Article Two, and Article three or a Declared lockdown, be it on GalNet News or not, is no justification under the treaty you claim to be enforcing
And lets not consider the fact the treaty was "passed" with 38.1% of the vote.

You are not abiding by the treaty so why should I

 

[CMDR Swift Arrow]

Did you consider the possibility FD is waiting for the players to push the Big Red Button of Doom on Liaedin?

Just saying.

Oh believe me, we do. EIC is just of the mind that we have to wait for the story line (and general game mechanics and development) to mature. It's going to happen, but EIC doesn't want the players to jump the shark on this yet. And when the grand war between the Feds and Empire happens (as we all know is going to happen), Liaedin will become a bigger event than Lugh.

But right now, ED has show that it just couldn't handle a Lugh-scale or greater conflict, and FD is still working out all the bugs from this CG mechanic, never mind 1.3 once it hits. FD and the game just isn't ready yet!!

FD just isn't where they can provide the mega war ED DESERVES YET!!

And as for CFC, as you said, we're still in Season 1 of this whole thing. I suggest you tighten your safety harnesses.

I wasn't just talking CFC, I'm talking Empire/Fed level. If House of Cards is the Federation Storyline, and Game of Thrones is Empire, I can confidently say we're "Game of Thrones" season one before the King (Emperor) even kicks the bucket!

 

[CMDR Swift Arrow]

It is now my personal mission to oust the Imperial Factions from Liaedin
I don't which faction ends up taking over so long as the two Imperial Factions are gone.
Found the third station actually had a Bulletin Board with things on it.

One Cmdr in one Ship may not be able to succeed, but I will be darned before I kowtow to bullies such as yourself, since the only solution you can come up with is to shoot everyone on sight and label them Terrorists.

After all your treaty

1. Non-expansion agreement: The Federation and Empire agree to maintain neutral influence in the system and avoid expansion into or out of the Liaedin system so as to maintain peaceful relations between Patron’s Principles and the Crimson Fortune Company
2. Free Travel Clause: This agreement does not restrict any pilot activity in the system provided they do not violate condition 1
3. Infraction Consequences: Any member of the Pilots’ Federation who is found violating the conditions of the treaty will be subject to attack from any faction.

Article Three does not apply to every pilot entering the system for fear they might possiblybe violating article One
The EIC have shot down pilots in direct violation of Article Two, and Article three or a Declared lockdown, be it on GalNet News or not, is no justification under the treaty you claim to be enforcing
And lets not consider the fact the treaty was "passed" with 38.1% of the vote.

You are not abiding by the treaty so why should I

And you call yourself an imperial. Right. Please remove that banner from your sig, cuz you've clearly defected to the Federation for uninformed reasons. Angeli Imperial is an Empire group.

If you really have beef with EIC action, then fight EIC on the BATTLE FIELD with LASERS and PLASMA ACCELERATORS. Don't take out your anger on the poor Imperial NPCs of Liaedin.

 

[Vasious]

And you call yourself an imperial. Right. Please remove that banner from your sig, cuz you've clearly defected to the Federation for uninformed reasons. Angeli Imperial is an Empire group.

If you really have beef with EIC action, then fight EIC on the BATTLE FIELD with LASERS and PLASMA ACCELERATORS. Don't take out your anger on the poor Imperial NPCs of Liaedin.

I didn't realize the EIC had control over AI membership but very well; done.
Just like you took out you, I dont know what, on poor Imperial Cmdrs exercising their Article Two Treaty rights?

And please don't address my issues with your twisting of the articles of the treaty, I am sure if you ignore them they will go away.

 

[CMDR Swift Arrow]

I didn't realize the EIC had control over AI membership but very well; done.
Just like you took out you, I dont know what, on poor Imperial Cmdrs exercising their Article Two Treaty rights?

And please don't address my issues with your twisting of the articles of the treaty, I am sure if you ignore them they will go away.

"Article Three does not apply to every pilot entering the system for fear they might possiblybe violating article One. The EIC have shot down pilots in direct violation of Article Two, and Article three or a Declared lockdown, be it on GalNet News or not, is no justification under the treaty you claim to be enforcing"

The 24-hour lockdown (which has since expired) was done with the consent with all treaty signatories, and considered by all parties of that treaty to be a legitimate action. No group who was party to the treaty has publicly condemned the 24-hour lockdown.

These emergency actions were done in response to Shadow Navy trying to get unaffiliated pilots into flipping the system, none of whom particularly know or care about some treaty they had no part in. The lockdown was also an emergency measure to undermine the efforts of these unaffiliated pilots, as well as an equal and opposite response to the recent call to action by the Shadow Navy headed by CMDR Wolzan who goes by the false moniker "FederationNavyHQ".

The lockdown has successfully achieved its objectives, reducing CFC influence from around 29% to just under 11%, and has since been discontinued as a result.

Had the EIC not engaged in lockdown operations, the system would have been at a very high risk of civil war. That state of affairs is unacceptable to Treaty signatories at this point in time.

Quite franky no one wanted it to come to this, but it was better to have a limited level of collateral damage now until the emergency passed, instead of a massive prolonged carnage later in the event of a triggered civil war. It is....unfortunate.....that certain non-compliant CMDRs tried to run the blockade and ended up losing a fair bit of credits due to their non-comprehension of the larger issues at play. Hopefully they learned that sometimes discretion, and compliance, is the better part of valor and asset preservation.

From a meta perspective, triggering a war in Liaedin now would be pre-mature, as the game simply cannot handle a massive Empire/Federation war yet. If war is triggered now, it will end up being a minor sideshow like Volungu, whereas if it is triggered later on (maybe a couple months or later), it could end up being an event bigger than Lugh (which was epic despite all the problems).

 

[LiquidCatnip]

I came here to make a statement but really I can back Swift Arrow's posts... particularly this previous one.

You may not agree that the ends justified such horrible means... but we avoided war without loss of life (just loss of ships)... it was regrettable to have to lockdown the system again, but the situation was critical. As the crisis is averted, for now, free travel has been restored.

We apologise for any inconvenience.

PS. The Treaty signees are on board. Stop quoting the Treaty back at us. I called the meeting where it was proposed and I wrote the Treaty after the fact.

 

[Vasious]

[ooc]I don't care about meta discussions[/ooc]

You could have just worked to bolster the Imperial Faction, but instead you decide to shoot down imperial pilots
You serious expect me to believe you saw the Shadow Navy as such a huge threat when they were needing to try an recruit any one and everyone when Federal groups didn't come to the really call. No they were just an excuse to throw your weigh around and pick on whomever you liked and call it "Agreed to by the treaty"

Doesn't matter now, as you have pronounced no one can disagree with you and be aligned with the Empire, so I will undermine you with every chance I get.
At least now if you shoot me down you wont be shooting down fellow Imperial Pilots.
It must be a wonderful thing to just relabel everyone terrorist and Non-Imperials when they disagree with you, to justify you treatment of them, bravo.

 

[Jaiotu]

As you can see Commander Misnomer your efforts have bought lose of life for nought, when you have been told flat out that is what would happen.

Now, if you are truly aligned with the federation then I am sure I can find several Post Commanders, besides myself, to give you a direct order to cease your terrorist actions.

To any federal aligned independent commanders: Do not follow this fool. Do not take my word for it, speak with any of the larger federation groups such as the merchant marines and they will tell you the exact same thing.

In the Shadow Navy the highest recognized rank is simply that of Commander in the Pilots Federation. Besides, we have more than our share of Post Commanders as well.

 

[Jaiotu]

And they call us terrorists?

We entered the system and used peaceful means to help bolster the influence of the Crimson Fortune Company that is legitimately operating in the system of Liaedin.

EIC responds by killing innocent pilots who have no criminal record.

And they call us terrorists?

 

[CMDR John Casey]

Oh yea, that's right, because the treated isn't being violated.

Honestly, you guys have no sense of logic. If the treaty was really being violated, then the other people who actually signed it should be getting upset. They aren't, which means your understanding of the treaty is completely and utterly wrong.

You know- there's absolutely NO way to enforce a treaty since influence has not a "changed by group X" label. There was actually a boost of Imperial influence in Volungu - was that the EIC? Was that EG? Was that a lonely unaffiliated commander? Were them in solo? Open?
We have no way to do that and we have no control over other commanders.
As soon as the EIC will leave Liaedin the story will start again. You are not going to do this forever.

 

[Goose4291]

The treaty in its present state is broken (as we've seen from the responses of various commanders). It would perhaps be sensible to adjust the terms of its key points. Most of the issues people have had with this incident was because the EIC whilst acting in the spirit of said treaty, were in fact violating one of its key points (re: Free travel).