News Elite: Dangerous Steam Keys

fearlessfrog

fearlessfrog
Frontier Store seems a bit better now.

I got in and linked accounts. ED downloaded fresh from Steam in about 2 minutes (I can almost see the Valve regional CDN servers from where I sit)

Just a heads-up, I popped into Tesco's Express and got some milk. Got a shock on the receipt though!

- Tesco British Semi Skimmed Milk 568Ml/1 Pint
£0.42 - Tescos
£0.07 - VALVE SOFTWARE INC

I can't believe it!

As this exact case hasn't been denied by Edward explicitly we should now repeat this as truth? :)
 

Cyda

Cyda
bossbrigand said:
I'm not redeeming my key until there's some serious official clarification.
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Yeah, that seems wise. I think I'll be doing the same.

veelckoo said:
Quite clear if you ask me - once you redeemed your key everything you purchase on Frontier Store will be treated as you did transaction through Steam store.
Nothing else to explain - they put it in a VERY clear way...
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This only clears up the fact that it ties the purchases to your steam account, in the same way as if you had bought it from steam, but it doesn't answer the main question of: will Valve get a 30% cut of all Frontier store purchases?
 
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westy

westy
bossbrigand said:
I'm not redeeming my key until there's some serious official clarification.
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How many more times do people need clarification?

You are not generating a steam key, you are linking your FD account to Steam - on the page you login to Steam rather than just hit a "generate key" button.
Any future purchases you make on the FD store will have a cut claimed by Valve.

It's not clear whether this includes physical goods or not; that's the only question remaining I guess.
I'd assume that it would to be honest.
 

bossbrigand

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veelckoo said:
What kind of clarification you need? Read the OP:

Quite clear if you ask me - once you redeemed your key everything you purchase on Frontier Store will be treated as you did transaction through Steam store.
Nothing else to explain - they put it in a VERY clear way...
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It needs clarification because that's what it seems to be saying but that doesn't make sense to us - we're just wanting a "Yes, that's what that means" or "No, I misread the question/responded too vaguely".

It doesn't make sense because it conflicts with their earlier request to continue to make purchases through their store if you want to support them fully.

You do get a Steam key to be redeemed via the Steam client, but the key is tied to your FDEV account so it can only be used by someone with your credentials.
 
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T@F

T@F
Eggplant! said:
No, I think what he means is that going forward Valve gets a cut of all your future purchases if you generate a steam key, even if you purchase future things on the FD store. Personally, I'd rather 100% of my money goes toward development at FD, so I won't be generating a Steam key.
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Tbh i would have thought if you bought out using steam client or steam wallet as a payment,then valve gets a 30% cut.
If you buy straight from there store by not going through steam then valve would not get a cut.
 
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CornishCracker

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I can understand why some people might be oblivious to generating a Steam key as it will take 30% profit from the items sold on Frontier's store. However if you think of the additional exposure that the game will attain from the enhanced playing numbers on Steam stats and the reviews. It might encourage more sales that Frontier would not have attained until now.

I for one will be generating a Steam key, I spend £100 on the beta and I enjoy having all my games on Steam. Can we please have Steam trading cards also?
 
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MacAdler

MacAdler
bossbrigand said:
I'm not redeeming my key until there's some serious official clarification.



a) I suspect you would have to redownload it through Steam to play it through Steam, but you could probably just transfer files from the existing installation into your steamapps/common folder - someone who's tried will need to clarify but it's worked like that for other games.
b) No, your save is linked to your FDEV account, which will now be linked to your Steam account to let you use Steam community functions.
c) I think Steam requires you to have launched the game and played for at least an hour to leave a review.
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Thanks mate. I'll just wait a couple of days to see what's what, and how're people doing it. I personally have no interest in keep centralising my games, I'm actually trying to doing the opposite. I don't like monopolies and whatnot, but I think that it's nice that Frontier offers the option. It's all about options.
 

veelckoo

veelckoo
bossbrigand said:
It needs clarification because that's what it seems to be saying but that doesn't make sense to us - we're just wanting a "Yes, that's what that means" or "No, I misread the question/responded too vaguely".
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Why ddoesn't it make sense?
Valve want's a cut of every microtransaction done on every game they sell AFAIK - there was quite 'famous' clash between Valve and EA regarding that.
It wouldn't make sense for Valve to sell games and then allow developers to sell microtransactions intependently.
Once you linked your ED with steam you are treated like a person that bought the game from Steam
 

Monk

Monk
Guess steam ain't all it is cracked up to be...seems it's just another place to buy stuff...

It is almost as if being granted a steam key says to a publisher that steam brought you this individual's business now give us almost a third of all that revenue. Which isn't true...most people were drawn to ED on its own merits and not through some promotion on Steam....eh

Is it really worth 30% of future revenue to be listed on some ranking in Steam? Is it worth it to have reviews in Steam? Is it worth that cut so that individuals can guilt themselves with how much they have played the game?

I can't answer that...I just wonder if the decision was purely down to fan service or actually has some verifiable profit motive.
 
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bossbrigand

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veelckoo said:
Why ddoesn't it make sense?
Valve want's a cut of every microtransaction done on every game they sell AFAIK - there was quite 'famous' clash between Valve and EA regarding that.
It wouldn't make sense for Valve to sell games and then allow developers to sell microtransactions intependently.
Once you linked your ED with steam you are treated like a person that bought the game from Steam
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My edit was a little slow, apologies. FDEV originally stated the opposite - that only sales through Steam would have a cut taken by Valve - so we're currently unsure if this is a misunderstanding or a misspeaking on Ed's part.

Monk said:
Guess steam ain't all it is cracked up to be...seems it's just another place to buy stuff...

It is almost as if being granted a steam key says to a publisher that steam brought you this individual's business now give us almost a third of all that revenue. Which isn't true...most people were drawn to ED on its own merits and not through some promotion on Steam....eh

Is it really worth 30% of future revenue to be listed on some ranking in Steam? Is it worth it to have reviews in Steam? Is it worth that cut so that individuals can guilt themselves with how much they have played the game?

I can't answer that...I just wonder if the decision was purely down to fan service or actually has some verifiable profit motive.
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Steam publishing means massive exposure. Elite's player count doubled upon the Steam launch. But the problem is that many Steam users are, eh, not really the Elite type, so there's a lot of negative reviews equating to "I'm too dense to figure this out/the game didn't hand me an Anaconda during the tutorial so this game sucks!". I mainly want to link my account to add my positive voice, but not at the cost of Valve taking 30% of the future money I try to give to FDEV.

Keep in mind that the largest percentage of Steam's playerbase was attracted to it via F2P TF2, DOTA 2, or CS:GO. These players tend to expect something much more fast paced and more forgiving than Elite. The trailers which to us are tongue-in-cheek imply to them nothing but fast paced shoot em up spaceship action with little in the way of permanent consequences.
 
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Cyda

Cyda
grunchlk said:
This was my understanding also.

Whatever you buy through Steam, Valve gets a cut of it.
Whatever you buy direct from the FD store page goes direct to FD and gets incorporated into your account with FD, which you can then access through Steam.

But still, in case I'm wrong, I won't be linking to Steam. Not until it's been confirmed by FD.
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This is exactly what needs clarifying.
 

Jim Steinman

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Well, there's still no reason to generate a key, but it's really bad of Steam to get 30% of future FD store sales.

No plans to generate a key in the future, I like a lot of people try to avoid Steam like the plague.
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
I got a screen saying my account is partnered with steam but its not on my steam library, is ya servers flooded with requests?
 

ricmadeira

ricmadeira
Calm down, gents! Valve does take its rightful cut, but only from purchases made on Steam's store.

That's why the first post on this thread tells that you that wherever you choose to play the game (Steam or Frontier download) the devs will appreciate it if you can please continue to make your purchases through the FD store.
 

Die Zahl

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Hi,

i linked my Steam Account with the store. But i cant find "Claim an Elite: Dangerous". Can someone lead me to get my steam key?
 

bossbrigand

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EdzUp said:
I got a screen saying my account is partnered with steam but its not on my steam library, is ya servers flooded with requests?
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Because the post advises you not to give your key to a friend, I think you are supposed to get an actual key to redeem through Steam. Click around in your account history and see if you can find anything like that. I'd attribute any errors atm to the sheer server load.

Personally I would wait until much later today to try and redeem mine just to avoid tempting fate.
 
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