News Elite: Dangerous Steam Keys

Wavey

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Lostinear said:
With getting a key from Steam is there a way to takes the version I have installed already and copy the files into steam. My connection is slow and I would rather not have to uninstall Elite to reinstall it via Steam :(
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zeeboid said:
Same here
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Scelous said:
There is no "Partner Keys" link listed on my account dashboard.
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Wavey

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No it is your browser ,sorry :) there have been loads of posts here about it ,either delete all cookies for FD or just use another browser
 
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FuegoTigre

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Wavey said:
No it is your browser ,sorry :) there have been loads of posts here about it ,either delete all cookies for FD or just use another browser
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Wavey's got it. I noticed late last night that an individual we were able to help mentioned that Chrome worked fine for him, and that it was the Cookies in the browser that was the issue, not the browser itself. The reason a browser you don't use often, or at all, works is because it doesn't have cookies on it. Clear your cookies, and that may work for you.

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I'm still utterly perplexed why Jim and Bottom are proclaiming unsubstantiated rumors and referencing vagueries, as fact, to dissuade people from using their Steam keys. They're the most vocal advocates in pushing some anti-Steam agenda. Ladies, and/or Gentlemen, just stop.

Get your Steam key. You wanted it. You're here to discover how to get it. Frontier has gifted it. Just take it. If you want to support Frontier, as you ALREADY have by purchasing this game, buy through the online shop.

Allegations that ALL sales that come through Frontier's shop go to Steam if you link your account are absurd, at best. While we're making wild allegation, I will also allege that for every purchase you make on the EliteDangerous Store, an Angel has it's wings torn from its back. We have about as much evidence for that statement.

Frontier has made no such statement that purchases from their website go to Steam, if you link your account. This is counter to everything we know about developer relationships with Steam. And it is counter to what Ed stated in his very first post, at the start of this thread.

You buy from Steam, Steam takes their cut.

You, however, are not buying through Steam.

You have already bought. You are activating your key for your Steam copy. This is a practice most developers follow these days. When I buy from Humble Bundle, there are games where I get a DRM-free copy, and a Steam version. I am purchasing the game, and the developers/publishers are providing me multiple ways to consume it. This is rapidly becoming pretty standard practice, if it isn't just plain common sense already.

When I buy from Gaijin for War Thunder, I can buy through the store, or via their website. Sales through Steam go to Steam. Sales through the website goes to the developer/publisher.

For Steam to take from the sales on Frontier's website would mean Steam would have access to Frontier's books and financial information. Or, we would assume that Frontier is willingly giving that information up, and Steam has NO interest in policing it. That's just... crazy to think a company would agree to that. Especially a company that has investors to consider. Would you agree to let a 3rd party retailer have access to your finances just to sell in their store?

No. Steam is taking a cut from sales through their shop. NOT from any other shop. So, you want to support Frontier, buy though their website, through the store, here:

https://store.elitedangerous.com/

I'm completely boggled by this campaign by a couple of individuals to sow confusion, fear, and concern on this incredibly loyal and enthusiastic fan base.

Stop. There is no official word that this causes Frontier to lose money. Get your key, and as Ed said himself:

Edward Lewis said:
We especially appreciate it when you buy direct from us, but we're happy for you to play how and where you like. Just enjoy the game, and fly safe Commanders!
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Gah, I get enough of this misinformation here in the States with Fox News. It is disturbing to see similar tactics used here.

Get your key, or don't, but leave people in peace to utilize the forms of consumption they deem best for themselves.
 
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Pup

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FuegoTigre, it's not just a case for some people of whether they want a steam key or not. I wanted a Steam key, but I don't want one so much that I'll take it regardless of anything else. To some people, myself included, if FD get less than 100% when we go buy a tshirt or mug on the frontier store, or even a skin or two, then it matters to us.

I have read through most of the post and the official comments, and I am not sure what the real situation is. If I was to guess from the wording of Ed's later post, after getting a steam key purchases made through the FD store will incur a 'tax' (for want of a better word) to Valve. To be honest that does sound completely daft to me if that was the case for physical items, but it wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility for digital purchases for which steam effectively supports through its CDN.

The thing is people are interpreting what has been said in different ways, some people seem to think what has been said by FD is clear, on both sides of the coin, and are adamant that they are right. A number of us believe that it is not clear at all, and some of the information seems quite contradictory, and personally I would like to know before making a decision, one that I am not desperate to make so will just wait and see if any official clarification does come.
 

Jim Steinman

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I have never actually laughed as much at deranged ramblings such as yours as I have tonight. We've known what you are for a while now, but this confirms it.


We could possibly take you seriously if you actually addressed points by Ed and many different posters with greater knowledge than you, but you have refused to do so. The argument has never been about an anti-Steam agenda, about supporting FD in the best and fullest way possible. We are sad that you do not wish to do this.


But I will say you are wrong about the Steam purchases, it is your malfeasance and obstinance that has sowed the doubt. Steam don't need access to the financials. They'll be able to count registered keys and depending on the nature of any agreement, contact FD with that information.


As to your campaign comment towards the end, try a mirror.


I'll leave this here again so that people hopefully don't get caught up in your statements.


http://imgur.com/lpm1OuJ


Good day.


Fox News? Really?
 

SentineI

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Frontier's lack of an answer is their answer

Since Frontier (Ed) has failed to clarify whether or not Valve will take a cut of future sales from Frontier's shop (if you link your account to Steam), I think it is clear that he is not allowed to answer. Which obviously means that Valve DO take a cut, but they have an NDA (or similar) preventing Frontier from stating that fact.

And the fact that Ed failed to make clear-cut statements twice on the matter (before going silent) also strengthens the idea he's not allowed to state what Frontier agreed to with Valve. It's also likely part of the reason Steam keys took so long to be made available - they'd have long legal agreement from Valve to carefully read (and get their lawyers to read) before signing.


So for those on the fence about getting a "free" Steam key: Don't do it if you want to support Frontier.

Edward Lewis said:
By generating a Steam key all future purchases made with your Frontier account will also be associated with your Steam account. ... sticking with the EliteDangerous.com store remains the best way to support ongoing development with 100 percent of your money on future purchases. We especially appreciate it when you buy direct from us
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Edward Lewis said:
I expect that generating steam keys is free, but by doing so any future FD store purchases become subject to the "valve tax". A bit of confirmation on that point wouldn't hurt but it makes sense to me.
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Yeah, that's a fair interpretation. We don't think of it as a tax though, just part of working with third party retailers.
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nx74913

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To FuegoTigre:-

I have read these forums and learn on the internet for a few weeks now before deciding whether to buy Elite.

After having been on the Internet for many years, I think to say that you have put me to buy the game. You have caused a loss of sales to Frontier.

Your behavior and attitude is very wrong and this is a game I do not want to play for people you involed.

To summarize, this is the worst example of a troll that I've ever seen online. Shameful.
 

FuegoTigre

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Jim Steinman said:
Steam don't need access to the financials. They'll be able to count registered keys and depending on the nature of any agreement, contact FD with that information.
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My dear friend. How do you propose Steam would account for DLCs purchased offsite? Are you proposing that Frontier would volunteer this information? Are you proposing that Steam would have no interest in policing, or keeping an account, of these offsite purchases if such an absurd arrangement WERE to be made?

Would you not agree that it would be a much more simple business model for Steam to take a cut of proceeds from purchase they were responsible? Not just simple, but traditional?

I do not understand why we are fabricating scenarios that have no precedence in this industry we're addressing.

I respect, and understand, a desire to understand WHAT one is agreeing to, when making a decision such as this. Claiming a Steam key and linking your account. Frontier hasn't presented us with a concise, and unquestionable, understanding of what this arrangement entails in its entirety. Frankly, they may consider the entire discussion unnecessary and trivial.

However, I think the declarations you have been making, Jim, without any more understanding than any of us have, are more harmful than helpful.

Those who want to wait for a more definitive answer, should do as they seem fit. But we should NOT be telling people that their decision to claim the rightful key is harmful to Frontier, as if it were fact.

You simply do not know that. And it would be a fool decision to have sought out Steam, as Frontier did, if they believed that to be the case as well.
 

Crinkley Bottom

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ChrisH said:
Since Frontier (Ed) has failed to clarify whether or not Valve will take a cut of future sales from Frontier's shop (if you link your account to Steam), I think it is clear that he is not allowed to answer. Which obviously means that Valve DO take a cut, but they have an NDA (or similar) preventing Frontier from stating that fact.

And the fact that Ed failed to make clear-cut statements twice on the matter (before going silent) also strengthens the idea he's not allowed to state what Frontier agreed to with Valve. It's also likely part of the reason Steam keys took so long to be made available - they'd have long legal agreement from Valve to carefully read (and get their lawyers to read) before signing.


So for those on the fence about getting a "free" Steam key: Don't do it if you want to support Frontier.
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Hear, hear.
 

Jim Steinman

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FuegoTigre said:
My dear friend. How do you propose Steam would account for DLCs purchased offsite? Are you proposing that Frontier would volunteer this information? Are you proposing that Steam would have no interest in policing, or keeping an account, of these offsite purchases if such an absurd arrangement WERE to be made?

Would you not agree that it would be a much more simple business model for Steam to take a cut of proceeds from purchase they were responsible? Not just simple, but traditional?

I do not understand why we are fabricating scenarios that have no precedence in this industry we're addressing.

I respect, and understand, a desire to understand WHAT one is agreeing to, when making a decision such as this. Claiming a Steam key and linking your account. Frontier hasn't presented us with a concise, and unquestionable, understanding of what this arrangement entails in its entirety. Frankly, they may consider the entire discussion unnecessary and trivial.

However, I think the declarations you have been making, Jim, without any more understanding than any of us have, are more harmful than helpful.

Those who want to wait for a more definitive answer, should do as they seem fit. But we should NOT be telling people that their decision to claim the rightful key is harmful to Frontier, as if it were fact.

You simply do not know that. And it would be a fool decision to have sought out Steam, as Frontier did, if they believed that to be the case as well.
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Fuego, I'd really wish you'd read everything as it would have answered you. But we know you don't like to do that. You'll find a popular phrase I've used is "Based on current information", I hope you could understand what that means. As to DLC? There'd be a few ways this could be monitored automatically. If you're technical at all, I'm sure you would know what they are. But I doubt we'll ever know the exact process. Commercial agreements and all.

But as to harmful, I think that's been you (some recent posts/pages) more than anything whether you have misconceived or interpreted something wrongly which has caused you to further your campaign of current obfuscation.
 

FuegoTigre

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Jim Steinman said:
Fuego, I'd really wish you'd read everything as it would have answered you.
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Jim, you have no idea what I've read. Just like Steam would have little, to no idea, what was purchased offsite, nor should they. Nor do they with other publishers/developers. Steam is concerned with what you've purchased through them. Your online 3rd party accounts are between you and your provider of service.

It's kind of like your understanding of what I've read in this forum. You have no idea, nor can you verify. But this certainly doesn't stop you from making claims as you so deem truthful.

I suppose when one is convinced of their position, it can be difficult to see reality.

It can be made even more difficult when that reality is not disclosed to us, much like in this case.

I am opposed to fabricating realities that have no basis of fact behind them, let alone an official declaration.

This is what is happening here.
 

Lord_Crazy

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Harbinger said:
If people are not seeing the "Partner Keys" link or seeing a white page then delete all your cookies for *.elitedangerous.com and try logging in again.



You can copy the files and Steam will validate and use them whilst installing.

Default installation location of main game files folder on non-Steam Version:

Code: 
%localappdata%\Frontier Developments\Products\FORC-FDEV-D-1000
(The number 1000 at the end of this path may be different depending on when you purchased)

  • FORC-FDEV-D-1010 - Elite: Dangerous
  • FORC-FDEV-D-1008 - Elite: Dangerous - Gamma
  • FORC-FDEV-D-1003 - Elite: Dangerous - Mercenary Edition
  • FORC-FDEV-D-1002 - Elite: Dangerous - Beta
  • FORC-FDEV-D-1001 - Elite: Dangerous - Premium Beta
  • FORC-FDEV-D-1000 - Elite: Dangerous - Alpha

The default Steam installation location should be:
Code: 
[whatever root you've defined]\SteamApps\common\Elite Dangerous\Products\FORC-FDEV-D-1010

So essentially copy the main game files directory to [whatever root you've defined]\SteamApps\common\Elite Dangerous\Products and if necessary rename it FORC-FDEV-D-1010 and you should be good to go.

NOTE: If you have the COMBAT_TUTORIAL_DEMO and PUBLIC_TEST_SERVER folders copy them to [whatever root you've defined]\SteamApps\common\Elite Dangerous\Products too.

(COMBAT_TUTORIAL_DEMO is part of the Steam distribution so if you don't have it you'll still need to download ~1.5GB).
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Worked for me thank you so much! Actually I have only 3.6go/5.2go as far some reason I don't have the combat tutorial in my folder. But it is still really nice thank you.
BTW quoting it to have show it on the last page of this thread :)
Thank you again!
 

Gremlin

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The thing you anti-steam folks are missing is that the more steam players there are, the more people will notice the game.

I bought my 2 boys elite via steam (because it was trivially easy to gift and redeem) - so thats $120 on top of the 200UKP as a KS backer;
I can safely say if ED hadn't been available on steam that $120 would not have been spent.
And, as my boys chat with their friends, those friends also get exposed to ED, which may lead to sales - it worked for "Space Engineers", "Robocraft", "KSP", "Hawken" just to name a few.

Other than the 30% tax, I would assume the potential upside is large otherwise FD wouldn't have signed up in the first place - same as the putting an app in the Apple store, you pay the tax but you get the exposure and infrastructure that comes with it.
 
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