Hardware & Technical Computer Build to run Elite Dangerous

Ladies and Gentlemen, I need some advice!

My PC needs replacing and I'm a bit behind the times of what's good and what's not. I'd need to buy something from a PC World or something similar, there's no way I could build something myself. I found the following and wondered if it would be suitable;

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/desktop-pc-monitors/desktop-pcs/desktop-pcs/hp-pavilion-500-119ea-desktop-pc-21775671-pdt.html

As it's quite a cheap set-up I could then spend £120-150 on a better graphics card. What do you guys think? My budget is £500 for a system that will play Elite to a good standard for a long time. If you know of anything better, I'd be glad to hear it. Thanks in advance x

From what I can see, yes it should be able to play ED. Hopefully someone here is using a similar CPU and if so, try the game with the gfx card that is already with it before getting another one as it might be suitable.
 
go to places like 'Overclockers.com' or something like that .. don't buy from places like PC world ..do a google search .. for £500 you could get so much better than a PC world pc

people here will lead you the right way .. don't go to PC world :)
 
go to places like 'Overclockers.com' or something like that .. don't buy from places like PC world ..do a google search .. for £500 you could get so much better than a PC world pc

people here will lead you the right way .. don't go to PC world :)

Seconded; don't ever buy a PC from PC World!!
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, I need some advice!

My PC needs replacing and I'm a bit behind the times of what's good and what's not. I'd need to buy something from a PC World or something similar, there's no way I could build something myself. I found the following and wondered if it would be suitable;

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/desktop-pc-monitors/desktop-pcs/desktop-pcs/hp-pavilion-500-119ea-desktop-pc-21775671-pdt.html

As it's quite a cheap set-up I could then spend £120-150 on a better graphics card. What do you guys think? My budget is £500 for a system that will play Elite to a good standard for a long time. If you know of anything better, I'd be glad to hear it. Thanks in advance x
That PC has only 300W (brand not specified, so quality most likely low) PSU. If you plug in a better GFX than the integrated one, the PSU will struggle plus the risk of failure is not negligible. The CPU isn't that great either.

Several people around the forums have recommended Scan, have a look:
http://3xs.scan.co.uk/value/gaming/form-factors
Check out the G25 models, pretty near your budget and you can change parts to squeeze a few £ off the price.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, I need some advice!

My PC needs replacing and I'm a bit behind the times of what's good and what's not. I'd need to buy something from a PC World or something similar, there's no way I could build something myself. I found the following and wondered if it would be suitable;

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/deskt...vilion-500-119ea-desktop-pc-21775671-pdt.html

As it's quite a cheap set-up I could then spend £120-150 on a better graphics card. What do you guys think? My budget is £500 for a system that will play Elite to a good standard for a long time. If you know of anything better, I'd be glad to hear it. Thanks in advance x

The problem I see is that with a pre-built computer like that you can't be sure it CAN be fitted with a graphics card because those things usually use proprietary mainboards which are made to a (low) price rather than to a good spec & often lack features you would expect to find in a consumer board.
Also, the PSUs are not very good quality, are usually rated to cope only with the basic machine, & are often a non-standard pattern, so they can not be replaced with a more powerful off-the-shelf part.
Don't waste your money on something like that, because you can get something much better for your budget.
 
Hello!
My first post, although I've lurked here for a while having been a Kickstarter backer...

I was wondering about my PC and the experience gained from the alpha so far.

It's based on an ageing 4 year old Shuttle mini-PC with the following spec:

AMD Phenom II x4 975
8GB DDR2 RAM
1TB Seagate HD
40GB Corsair Accelerator SSD cache drive
2GB AMD Radeon 7850HD

I've overclocked the motherboard/cpu by upping the FSB to 220Mhz, so the CPU is running at 3.96GHz vs the 3.6GHz stock speed. Although the CPU is a "Black Edition" I can't for the life of me fathom how to alter the multipliers in the BIOS using FID/DID settings :)

The motherboard only has room for a single-slot graphics card, so the 7850 is the fastest I can get. It also doesn't support DDR3 RAM so that's a limiting factor.

I did wonder if swapping the CPU for a Phenom X6 1100T would liberate any further performance with the 2 extra cores, (albeit at a lower clock speed unless I can work out how to overclock the multiplier!) although there's a chance the (old) BIOS won't recognize the microprocessor?

What do people think? Should I just leave it alone and see how it goes?
I'd like to run the game at 1080p with a decent frame-rate (who wouldn't!)...
 
Hello!
My first post, although I've lurked here for a while having been a Kickstarter backer...

I was wondering about my PC and the experience gained from the alpha so far.

It's based on an ageing 4 year old Shuttle mini-PC with the following spec:

AMD Phenom II x4 975
8GB DDR2 RAM
1TB Seagate HD
40GB Corsair Accelerator SSD cache drive
2GB AMD Radeon 7850HD

I've overclocked the motherboard/cpu by upping the FSB to 220Mhz, so the CPU is running at 3.96GHz vs the 3.6GHz stock speed. Although the CPU is a "Black Edition" I can't for the life of me fathom how to alter the multipliers in the BIOS using FID/DID settings :)

The motherboard only has room for a single-slot graphics card, so the 7850 is the fastest I can get. It also doesn't support DDR3 RAM so that's a limiting factor.

I did wonder if swapping the CPU for a Phenom X6 1100T would liberate any further performance with the 2 extra cores, (albeit at a lower clock speed unless I can work out how to overclock the multiplier!) although there's a chance the (old) BIOS won't recognize the microprocessor?

What do people think? Should I just leave it alone and see how it goes?
I'd like to run the game at 1080p with a decent frame-rate (who wouldn't!)...

I have posted on the forum recently about upgrading from a Phenom II-965 to a FX-8350 and the bench marking results. http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=237177&postcount=1002

The quick summary is that upgrading your CPU to a X6 will be a waste of time. You may want to upgrade your video card however to be honest I would recommend EVERYONE waits on the upgrades until the game is more complete... unless they have a very old PC which can't play the alpha at all.

Once we've seen and tested a more complete game we will have a much better idea on what the real performance benefits are from a new CPU, RAM, SSD, GPU and you can therefore target your money better.

You'll also find that (hopefully) the prices of the components will have decreased a bit more.

Irrespective, X4->X6 is not worth it. Playing at 1080p you are not stressing the system that much so I would also wait on the graphics card until we have more of a feel. Also by then the new AMD/nVidia cards will be at a more sensible price which will push down the price of the slightly older cards and there will be new generation single slot cards.

At some point though, assuming there are no reasons preventing it, you will most likely have to upgrade your motherboard. There are likely to be quite a few 2nd hand motherboards that could use your CPU based on other people upgrading. So might be worth considering once more details are known on the game bottlenecks.

Commander Wombat
 
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Thanks - that's exactly the sort of definitive answer I was looking for! I'll stick with the CPU I have then. Might continue to tinker with trying to overclock it just for the fun of it. Anyone have any advice on altering the FID/DID settings in the BIOS to change the multiplier?

Bit stuck with Graphics Cards upgrades as the chassis requires a single-slot card and all the real big players now-a-days are dual-slot.

It's an ageing system but I still like it :)

In the meantime, I've got Fallout 3 and GTA5 to try and finish before E:D comes out!

I have posted on the forum recently about upgrading from a Phenom II-965 to a FX-8350 and the bench marking results. http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=237177&postcount=1002

Irrespective, X4->X6 is not worth it. Playing at 1080p you are not stressing the system that much so I would also wait on the graphics card until we have more of a feel. Also by then the new AMD/nVidia cards will be at a more sensible price which will push down the price of the slightly older cards and there will be new generation single slot cards.

At some point though, assuming there are no reasons preventing it, you will most likely have to upgrade your motherboard. There are likely to be quite a few 2nd hand motherboards that could use your CPU based on other people upgrading. So might be worth considering once more details are known on the game bottlenecks.

Commander Wombat
 
Can anyone here help with this:



From what I can see, my new components are up and running - everything seems OK apart from the wireless card:

TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 N900 Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Adapter

The system appears to be recognising it: the device comes up in device manager so it must be properly seated but when I try to switch over to it, I get the following message:

vy5x.png


I upgraded my motherboard as well - is it best to reinstall Windows when switching to a different motherboard? Could this be causing the problem? I've looked for different drivers, but to no avail.

New Specs:

Gigabyte Z87-DS3H
Intel Core i5 4670K 3.40ghz
Corsair 8gb Vengeance 1866mhz RAM

GPU is the same as before: AMD 6850 1gb.

Thanks in advance.

Incidentally, I had a Gigabyte motherboard before as well.
 
Anyone able to set my mind straight on something?

I currently have a "XFX HD 6870 900MHz 1GB GDDR5" but it's been going nuts recently so I've bought a "MSI Radeon R9 270 Gaming 2G".

If I use a GPU comparison site such as this:

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-6870-vs-MSI-Radeon-R9-270

It shows the R9 270 as the winner, but not by that much in terms of performance.

However, if I look at TomsHardware 3D Mark 11 results, the R9 270 is almost twice as powerful in terms of performance.

What gives? :S
 
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I upgraded my motherboard as well - is it best to reinstall Windows when switching to a different motherboard? Could this be causing the problem?
Yeah, changing motherboard is radical enough upgrade to warrant re-install of Windows. That you got your system otherwise working without problems was probably due to the fact your new MoBo is same brand than the previous.
When you install Windows again, you may need to activate it again too, IIRC MoBo is such component that M$ thinks your PC is new. If you have OEM Windows, you may need to call their service to try to 'free' your license back to you. In worst case you need to upgrade it to retail or even buy new retail.
http://www.maketecheasier.com/what-happens-to-windows-7-after-changing-motherboard/
 

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If the CPU vendor is the same you can run SYSPREP before swapping out mobo - say Intel to Intel - saves re installing. Backup first however, you will have to create new profile etc...

You'll be flagged for auto re activation but its over the Internet so no drama.

Can anyone here help with this:



From what I can see, my new components are up and running - everything seems OK apart from the wireless card:

TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 N900 Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Adapter

The system appears to be recognising it: the device comes up in device manager so it must be properly seated but when I try to switch over to it, I get the following message:

vy5x.png


I upgraded my motherboard as well - is it best to reinstall Windows when switching to a different motherboard? Could this be causing the problem? I've looked for different drivers, but to no avail.

New Specs:

Gigabyte Z87-DS3H
Intel Core i5 4670K 3.40ghz
Corsair 8gb Vengeance 1866mhz RAM

GPU is the same as before: AMD 6850 1gb.

Thanks in advance.

Incidentally, I had a Gigabyte motherboard before as well.
 
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Yeah, changing motherboard is radical enough upgrade to warrant re-install of Windows. That you got your system otherwise working without problems was probably due to the fact your new MoBo is same brand than the previous.
When you install Windows again, you may need to activate it again too, IIRC MoBo is such component that M$ thinks your PC is new. If you have OEM Windows, you may need to call their service to try to 'free' your license back to you. In worst case you need to upgrade it to retail or even buy new retail.
http://www.maketecheasier.com/what-happens-to-windows-7-after-changing-motherboard/

Should be fine; I've reinstalled Win 7 a few times before without any issues. It's a full retail purchase. :)
 
The system appears to be recognising it: the device comes up in device manager so it must be properly seated but when I try to switch over to it, I get the following message:

Some wireless adapters and their drivers don't play well when they detect an active wired connection. You may want to unplug that before switching on the wireless.

Multihoming can be awkward if you are not sure what you are doing.
 
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