Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[QorbeQ]

I have two questions now:

1) Are we 100%* certain that this stylised/corrupted morse is 'fact', or do we need further verification & testing, before it gets added to the wiki?
2) Out of interest, is this new, or do the previous 1.2 recordings also contain this stylised/corrupted morse, and if so, do they indicate the same thing?

* ok, we're talking about 'wiki percent certain'. It is important to be pretty sure though, as it would potentially kill any further investigation for folks reading it, as people tend to believe what they read on the internets, I know I do. Plus we'd have to provide a reference as 'evidence'.

I don't have headphones here, but I can't make out any morsey sounding bits myself, plus my stomach keeps making distracting sounds like the UA purring. Maybe its hungry. The UA I mean.

1) Honk, chittering, slow purrs. I cannot comment about the honk, and the purrs have eluded all of my analysis, but I guarantee that the chittering for all recordings I've heard so far contain the specified stylised-morse data as above.

2) Yes, 1.2 was the first one I checked (Seega Port I believe, RedWizzard's first release)

 

[Noobdelux]

Im putting down 100t of palladium if someone turns a ua to someone for testing

 

[bitstorm]

1) Honk, chittering, slow purrs. I cannot comment about the honk, and the purrs have eluded all of my analysis, but I guarantee that the chittering for all recordings I've heard so far contain the specified stylised-morse data as above.

You don't need to guarantee, nobody needs to take anyone else's word for this, people can listen for themselves.

Here's Ross 154 https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&page=6&p=2490413&viewfull=1#post2490413 broken down piece by piece, I think it's really obvious if you listen to the provided samples. Listening to that I'm not sure how anyone can doubt it's morse.

 

[Han_Zen]

The work with the audio is going really well. I feel sorry about trying to crowbar in another direction for consideration.


The "Obfuscation In The Outer Rim" mission is a plain delivery mission that only an Elite Explorer can take on.
In response to a question on the G+ ED group, I took on the mission to see what it says in the text.

Spoiler

Setting out the mission
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After completion
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The main point I wanted to make was about the delivery. It was for some unusual crystals that seem to be some sort of map. There was also a comment made about not knowing the frame of reference, a mention of The Dark Wheel and a question of whether they're of human origin or not.

My line of thinking...
Unusual crystals of unknown origin...
SAP8 Core Container contains an unusual crystal...
UA is of unknown origin...

... Crystals, SAP8 Core Containers and Unknown Artefacts are connected in some way?

I think all these UA, SAP, trinkets maybe even Hafnium and painite are linked to future story content. How the are linked to each other is more unclear.

Your mission text hints of coordinates to Raxxla. It could be in game now, but very hard to find. As the story progresses, more info will be available.

In FFE, if you didn't do a mission conected to the story a NPC would do it. They could be using the same prinsipal in ED. We get a chance to something important. If we miss it, it does not matter for the story line.

The morse code from the UA could be just a funny easter egg or it could do something important by saying Raxxla, Miackee or whatever by droping it in the right place.

It is still very early in this part of the story. Hints are few.
I hope the end og the exploration CG and the delay of 1.3.07 means a step forward.

 

[RedWizzard]

No one listened to them! For a very last time:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=141038&page=339&p=2208964&highlight=nilreb#post2208964
Proof:
Case #1 T9 disappear
Case #2 T9 gives nothing out

Show me one additional case where the UA come out! But legends hardly die ...
RedWizzard's loss (if i remember it was SOL system?) is a other tale if UA is in a player ship.
And I don't will post the trick how to manage that the T9 is no longer in wing before the other CMDR's (Ratking15/Wishblend/Murp/FYI I decloak) arrived.
For hunters: T9 lost mostly one wing at each jump/wake dive. Test this out with other convois if you don't believe.

The two posts you quoted are not related, I was replying to a different post that was talking specifically about having a UA in a player ship.

However, the UA will drop out of the T9, with a little help. That is exactly what happened when I got my original one. I had been shooting at the hatch and some other cargo had dropped, but the UA did eventually drop, probably due to a hatch failure caused by extra damage from the UA. The key is to do a small amount of damage to the hatch and then wait for cargo to drop before continuing. The main problem is that the T9 will attempt to jump periodically (at least for T9s in the more common encounter), so waiting for the UA to drop is not always possible.

 

[sohara]

Right.

It's starting to look like information is becoming misinformation.

I'm WAY behind, but I'm not seeing a coherent line of investigation. It's all a bit... unmanaged. Even if this thing IS emitting morse code, it means absolutely NOTHING.

- Has anyone managed to obtain 'morse code' from the original recordings, posted here?
- Do we have any more confirmed UA's obtained? Last I heard, we had a mere TWO systems as positives... Timocani, 109 Virginis.
- Has the sound changed since 1.2?

Timocani and 109 Virginis are 180ly apart - that covers a major part of the roof of inhabited space. It's a large target area; we need to co-ordinate a search to be successful.

I am currently docked at Timocani with my classic Cobra. DEEP SPACE is pretty much any point you leave the station; it's not throwing up any Signal Sources at all. I've been here for 2 hours, flying around, waiting.

 

[nilreb]

The two posts you quoted are not related, I was replying to a different post that was talking specifically about having a UA in a player ship.

However, the UA will drop out of the T9, with a little help. That is exactly what happened when I got my original one. I had been shooting at the hatch and some other cargo had dropped, but the UA did eventually drop, probably due to a hatch failure caused by extra damage from the UA. The key is to do a small amount of damage to the hatch and then wait for cargo to drop before continuing. The main problem is that the T9 will attempt to jump periodically (at least for T9s in the more common encounter), so waiting for the UA to drop is not always possible.

Thank's for correct this. Sorry.
Everybody can only bring in their own experience. Bandwidth in game (Mr. Brookes often refer to this) seems big.
Unfortunately UA hunt is history now without new sightings.

 

[Jmanis]

- Has anyone managed to obtain 'morse code' from the original recordings, posted here?

Which ones, specifically? I did Saman's a while back, recognising morse in theirs for ASTER, ROSS 154, HERA and HE BO # (# being whichever number it was suffixed by), and the new video recordings from:

Wishblend - http://www.twitch.tv/wishblend/c/6920083 which says SYNUEFE TTJ C245 (despite being in deep space. Key marker here is the TTJ which also has a considerable gap either side in the recording)

Ratking - http://www.twitch.tv/ratking15/c/6899591 very clearly says "Littrow Terminal" (at the 6:10 mark), key markers again being the double T, and the T after the gap.

Ratking - http://www.twitch.tv/ratking15/b/672161703 which also clearly says "KALANA 2", key marker for this one being the triple occurance of "A"; listening to it you will hear "<something> wip-warp <something> wip-warp, <something> wip-warp <gap> <more sound for 2>"

WRT to the other recordings, QorbeQ might have a better chance at interpreting them... as mentioned back when you set me to task to listen to them, I'm no morse operator, but I can recognise patterns. I tried, and the wall I hit with the other recordings was:

- Glynie's recordings are in "sol" without more detail. Sol has many bodies, most of which have unique names, so I'd have to brute-force which one I thought it was, and honestly, I don't have time for that.

- Murp's Virginis 109 recording, I just revisited, it says Melvill Gateway.

- digitalscreams don't have the locations listed, so like Glynies, I don't really have much hope of working it out. QorbeQ might have a better chance again.

I can't speak for anyone else, but this is proof enough for me, at least to mean it would take someone to show me a video recording showing the location+system it was recorded at which shows the chittering *not* sounding like the closest celestial body.

 

[sohara]

I'm beginning to doubt your logic... If you don't know where the recordings are from, you can't even begin to decipher them? What use is that?

Come on. Teacher doesn't give you the answer before posing 'what is 3 x 3'. If the UA spits out the nearest station/star, the UA output is 100% irrelevant.

At least attempt to pick out a partial hit! Morse has gaps... else you are just smashing a bunch of tones together hoping to make a message.

Also, you seem to be the only Rain Man type in here that can hear this hidden and 'stylised' Morse Code... Yet, you have claimed not to be a Morse expert.

If it rains on my head, I can tell you that it's raining. Bletchley Park demands better

 

[Zenith]

- Do we have any more confirmed UA's obtained? Last I heard, we had a mere TWO systems as positives... Timocani, 109 Virginis.

Timocani and 109 Virginis are 180ly apart - that covers a major part of the roof of inhabited space. It's a large target area; we need to co-ordinate a search to be successful.[/B]

I spent 3 hours in 109 Virginis earlier this evening just going from one SSS to another. I got the "right" one 3 times (Type9, Anacondas, Federal Navy) and checked them with my cargo scanner. Each one was carrying 1t of Hafnium 178 as well as sundry other items like Battle Weapons. It's simply a case of keeping at it often enough until I either get lucky, or it's clearly a waste of time (10 times perhaps?).

I'm in my old Asp, with cargo and kill warrant scanners and also a hatch-breaker limpet controller. If I find one with a UA, I'll try to wait it out and see if it drops out itself. Otherwise I might try to "help it along".

 

[Jmanis]

I'm beginning to doubt your logic... If you don't know where the recordings are from, you can't even begin to decipher them? What use is that?

Come on. Teacher doesn't give you the answer before posing 'what is 3 x 3'. If the UA spits out the nearest station/star, the UA output is 100% irrelevant. At least attempt to pick out a partial hit! Morse has gaps... else you are just smashing a bunch of tones together hoping to make a message.

If it rains on my head, I can tell you that it's raining. Bletchley Park demands better

EDIT: Hindsight, i don't want to turn this into mudslinging.

I've done what you asked for, and don't have the time for more at the moment. I've told you how to do it. Go to it.

 

[sohara]

<snip>
but I suppose it's easier to peg insults at people on an Internet forum...
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not to get flamed by people like you.

My post contained neither flames nor insults - I'm merely debunking your theory as you haven't offered enough tangible proof to be conclusive on the matter.

I mentioned I'm coming back into this after a long absence... apologies if I have missed salient information, but what little evidence you have provided comes with the proviso that you know the answer first - hardly... scientific.

I spent 3 hours in 109 Virginis earlier this evening just going from one SSS to another. I got the "right" one 3 times (Type9, Anacondas, Federal Navy) and checked them with my cargo scanner. Each one was carrying 1t of Hafnium 178

I'll keep an eye out for you... I would recommend AGAINST engaging... my current plan is to follow them as far as I can I hope to establish a destination.

Speaking of Hafnium - has anyone actually figured a use for that yet? Also, there was another mineral... Painite? Are the just garden variety commodities now?

I've been to 19 USS, 2 WSS and 0 SSS so far... it's quite painful just flying around waiting for a lottery ticket to fall in my lap.

 

[Jmanis]

I mentioned I'm coming back into this after a long absence... apologies if I have missed salient information, but what little evidence you have provided comes with the proviso that you know the answer first - hardly... scientific.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known-plaintext_attack

"The term "crib" originated at Bletchley Park, the British World War II decryption operation"

Kinda ironic hey...

 

[sohara]

@Zenith I'm up to 7 SSS now - way too strong for me, and a lot of them attack on drop. Not found anything remotely [Type9, Anacondas, Federal Navy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known-plaintext_attack

"The term "crib" originated at Bletchley Park, the British World War II decryption operation"

Kinda ironic hey...

Not really the same... what you have isn't a crib, you have what you think is the answer.

Lesson one of crypto-analysis - show a recruit an encrypted message. Show them the decrypted message. Ask them to work out how it was decrypted.
They WILL find a pattern, one way or the other. This is the point you tell them that the answer - the one supposed 'TRUTH' that they had been working to - is incorrect

 

[Jmanis]

Not really the same... what you have isn't a crib, you have what you think is the answer.

Lesson one of crypto-analysis - show a recruit an encrypted message. Show them the decrypted message. Ask them to work out how it was decrypted.
They WILL find a pattern, one way or the other. This is the point you tell them that the answer - the one supposed 'TRUTH' that they had been working to - is incorrect

I think I'm not the one struggling with the concept of being wrong here... I've got 8 samples from others back there where I've pulled the nearest body out using the same techniques every time.

But whatever. As mentioned before, that's my proposal, and others have verified it. It's no smoking gun, but it's good enough for me. If people want to spend another 170 pages assuming this isn't right, by all means.

I know I'm right, as mentioned, I just don't have the resources to prove it.

 

[Jmanis]

For the record, if someone does want to prove it, here's how.

Get a UA, and record it at locations enough to give you the entire alphabet and all numbers 0-9.

Break down each symbol in an audio editor (Audacity works well). It also helps to remove background noise, but you do lose some fidelity. That'll give you your "alphabet".

Then, you should be able to paste together the symbols as needed to predict what another location will sound like. Go out and record that, compare it with your construct. If they're roughly the same (roughly-> human error in reassembly, also background noise recording differences), then that's that, job done. If they're *wildly* different, like, 3-4 seconds length of difference, or massive changes in pattern, then for me, that's proof I'm wrong.

 

[Jmanis]

Below are cuts taken from various recordings, which are believed to comprise the "alphabet" of the chittering.

Massive thanks to Wishblend, who provided more than half of the recordings needed to collect all the different symbols.

It seems to be a highly stylised version of morse, so for example, where "5" is normally "dit dit dit dit dit", the cut will sound more like "wip wup wip wup wip". Note, non-alphanumeric symbols don't seem to be transmitted.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

For clarity regarding the , I extracted the "O" sound twice, once from a He Bo recording, the other from a Ross 154 recording.

Ross 154 "o"
He Bo "o"

They're only very slightly different.

It's worth noting that between transmissions, symbols can vary in pitch and frequency slightly, lengthening and shortening on occasion, but structurally identical to each other, so the sound of recordings may vary slightly to what's here.

Notes
- The "Z" sample is very weak and hard to hear. This is because it was the first letter of the recording, which is always hard to hear due to an overlap with the UA's "Wail" when the chittering begins. If someone can find a celestial object with a "Z" in the middle and get a recording, I can cut and replace.
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Want to help?
This is my "smoking barrel" shot. I've just created this audio cut, which I believe spells out EKURU A 1. To emphasise, this is not a recording of a UA, it is audio generated by me. If I'm right, and you have a UA, go to the EKURU system, outside EKURU A 1, and record the UA audio. I'm willing to bet they'll be almost the same.

 

[mrtree]

So, putting my money where my mouth is: here's a selection of audio cuts which I believe makes up part of the "alphabet" for this (not all found yet, I don't have a UA so I can't produce more samples to get the whole alphabet). Please let me know if the links don't work.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

For clarity, I extracted the "O" sound twice, once from a He Bo recording, the other from a Ross 154 recording.

Ross 154 "o"
He Bo "o"

They're only very slightly different.

So, want to help?

There's two things you can do.
- Get recordings outside bodies containing different letters, which will help me complete the alphabet.
or;
- This is my "smoking barrel" shot. I've just created this audio cut, which I believe spells out EKURU A 1. To emphasise, this is not a recording of a UA, it is audio generated by me. If I'm right, and you have a UA, go to the EKURU system, outside EKURU A 1, and record the UA audio. I'm willing to bet they'll be almost the same.

Jmanis, this is a really exciting prospect. I'm hoping our good CMDRs Wishblend or RatKing can record there & check. IMO, that's definitive enough for me.

I'm still trying to hunt a UA in Timocani. Lots of SSS & WSS tonight, but no Fed Navy to be seen.

 

[mrtree]

I went back through all the GalNet posts I could find, looking for mentions of "alien", "relic", "unknown" or "artefact". For future reference, here's all the articles that match any of those terms.

* https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/e3650db48fcce4488905b3e13763eebad65735b8 - Soontill Auction
* https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/04-MAY-3301 - "Scientists Baffled by Mysterious Artefacts" (player-submitted)
* https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/07-MAY-3301 - "Arcanonn Challenges Halsey"
* https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/2ff0af566b06e051c2af52cd02a467351b449535 - "Soontill Relics Test Results Queried"
* https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/a817ba0a6348b4d65e6ca77a171aa300d2998ef9 - "Extraordinary Transmission Contesting Dr Arcanonn" (player-submitted?)

There are also a couple articles about unknown illnesses (like He Bo & now BD-02 4304), which may or may not be related.

Stupid question: I know this all started with "Unknown Artefacts are *NOT* Soontill Relics", but since they're maybe alien/crystaline, have we tried combining the UA with a Soontill Relic? Or taking the UA to the Soontill system (where the relics supposedly come from)? That's a super-tenuous stretch, but I feel like I have to at least ask.

 

[Arcanonn]

I'm merely debunking your theory as you haven't offered enough tangible proof to be conclusive on the matter.

Please do allow for different opinions all and do let people follow their theories through, to be honest the morse code stuff is beyond me and I have no idea if it's the right direction (although a fair few folks seems to be confident there's something in it). But what I can say is that if there's something to this we have previously missed it, odds are the actual answer has been dismissed at some point.

I'll keep an eye out for you... I would recommend AGAINST engaging... my current plan is to follow them as far as I can I hope to establish a destination.

I'm not sure if this is correct but I would swear someone already tried this idea as I was very keen on it myself, I am lead to believe they just disapear in the end......again however this could theoretically been an error on behave of the CMDR that tried it so by all means DO try it again.

The lack of UA's is worrying to say the least. We only have one unverified possible sighting post 1.3