Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[Vingtetun]

Just as an aside.. anyone else think that SOONTIll could just be Michael Brookes trolling us with his trademark response to the question 'when?'.

The 'till' on the end could be tm if you squint. My 6 year old son wrote it down the other day and it didn't half look like Soon^tm

 

[PsychoFish]

Unfortunately, no luck here. The significance of BD-02 4304 lies in that it's a new CG location (bring medicines). Nothing special happened with the UA while being there.

Are you sure? Maybe the UA was the cause of the outbreak and due to this they (FD) made the CG to be in this system. - That's what I was going for earlier, but nobody replied. We should have a list of what happened to the known UAs and monitor the systems where they are sold.

 

[edd]

Just as an aside.. anyone else think that SOONTIll could just be Michael Brookes trolling us with his trademark response to the question 'when?'.

The 'till' on the end could be tm if you squint. My 6 year old son wrote it down the other day and it didn't half look like Soon^tm

Soontill is a creation of John Harper. I believe he used the name in a story before E: D was even announced? Certainly before his Elite novel.

 

[Grumbleweed]

Well I suggest you look at the Elite Dangerous wiki page of the Unkown Arterfact (found here) and see what's been done and such, I've been trying to add to it when something comes to mind that hasn't been added though...it's hard to remember what is there to what is in my head.


Thats what i reviewed through earlier while at work,,, and the clue is already in there.. only 1 item had an effect on it,, the Sap 8 core container,,

• Sap 8 Core Containers = Colour of the emissions change?

now not knowning much about these objects myself since their addition to the game apart from seeing the item listed in the commodity market,, and the mission on BB, i started to look for info on those, , Do Sap 8 core containers make a sound? and can i ask,,, how many did you try next to the artifact,,, if it was just one i'd imagine just a small change in emmisions,, its still waiting for the other 7 of them,, Sap 8 core container not a clue either? fits nicely onto the 8 pods of the artifact i would assume.
Has anyone tried putting 8 'Sap 8 core containers' nearby and see if it has an effect? if not ,, i'd like to be there when you do try,

I wouldn't over interpret that, I wrote it and the question mark is very important because its unverified, it was a passing remark on wishblends twitch stream (if I remember correctly) I was expecting more people to edit than just read, sorry if that's misleading. When I get the chance I'll update it, or someone can.

While crossing space & testing locations tonight, I thought about what possible outcomes might directly come from the UA. Not long-term, but what we might get out of it short-term & what we should be looking for. Forewarning: the UA acts like a cargo canister, so many of my thoughts are centered around "what can we do with a piece of cargo".

* The sound itself - Maybe some message hidden in the sounds made by the UA itself. It seems obvious to me that Morse is in there, but what else might be is unclear.
* A mission - Possession of the UA in a specific location triggers a mission to be available, presumably involving the UA itself.
* A Point-Of-Interest - Similar to the Voyagers & Debris Fields, a special location in space (visible from the "Navigation" panel).
* Access to a previously inaccessible system
* Special Normal Space behavior - Jettison the UA, see it do something special.
* Upon arriving in the correct place, a wormhole appears, ripping apart the space-time continuum, sucking through our hapless ships & emerging in a distance system surrounded by... - Sorry, got carried away.

So what am I missing? What else do we think we should be looking for?

Sell it. At Leonard Nimoy for example.

 

[Vingtetun]

Soontill is a creation of John Harper. I believe he used the name in a story before E: D was even announced? Certainly before his Elite novel.

Bah. There goes my conspiracy theory....

 

[Kulin]

Further to this, Out of the Darkness is pretty clear that:

Spoiler

The Oresrians were the first batch of Thargoids that humanity met and fought in a "skirmish", i.e. what we call the First Thargoid War, and what Michael Brookes referred to as a lost "scouting party" we destroyed that the Thargoids are now looking for. What happens in the book at Peregrina could very well explain the quarantine that appears there, whether or not the UAs are related to the events in Peregrina remains to be seen - they could be some form of more forward scouting by the Thargoids looking for their earlier scouting party.

If we are really unlucky they are Klaxians...

As you say, it is also unclear whether humanity actually made peace with the Oresrians as they might have based on the old lore. A strong indication that we did though is the planet Quy in Quiness system. Take a look at the FFE lore for it, and then take a look at the planet itself in the Galaxy Map, particularly it's description. Thargoids are not coming... they are already here! (i.e. note lack of the word "indigenous" in the description of the planetary life).

Thats pretty interesting. The missing of the word "Indigenous" is indeed a unique occurance. But what can we learn from the theory that the Thargoids are already in human space and have their own colony there? And why has nobody at Galnet noticed?

I checked Quy tonight (both the port nearby & the planet itself). Even jettisoning the UA close to the planet (17Mm away), there was nothing of interest. The usual chitter changes, but that's all I could detect in the sound. I may post video later.

I would be very happy to analyse this video. I'm still trying to find some regularities or anomalys, beside the morse code. There must be something more, because a morse code encrypting the name of the system we are in alone is pretty useless. It tells us that the UA is indeed doing something. But not much more. That's why im back on the purrs and try to find something of use.

The only interesting thing up to now is this purr sequence(recorded by Ratking and Wishblend in HIP 46388):



As you see there is some strange regularity in it. If you transform the purr in binary and the binary to decimal we get this numbers from the recorded purrs:

38 9 19 91 91 38 108

All numbers are either divisible by 19 or by 9. Or they are a inverted version of 19(91).

Pretty strange coincidence, but of no real use up to now.

 

[Arcanonn]

only 1 item had an effect on it,, the Sap 8 core container,,

• Sap 8 Core Containers = Colour of the emissions change?

Yes I threw this one around not long ago, I would also like to see this "reaction" tested and ruled out or in.....It was put on the back burner perhaps too soon as my line of thinking was 8x Sap 8.......but of course the UA has 12 "ports".

Trouble is very few UA's....a lot of theories to test....and there "may" be some results coming from the Morse route which for good reason is taking priority right now.

We need more UA's please do continue searching all, I will be real life allowing.

 

[bitstorm]

Kulin, there's a bit more to the purrs, might as well repost from p17 :

For a given UA deployment, the chittering stays consistent (or at least appears to) over cycles, the purrs however change which each cycle.

It's around 4-6 purrs, sometimes it seems the last purr is squashed by the honk coming in over the top so it's not always clear how many they are.

The purrs don't seem obviously to be morse in that for a set of purrs the gaps between each purr seems to be consistent, like it doesn't SEEM like there's a letter gap.

Between the purrs there sometimes seems to be a short piece of high/low alternating audio, this changes in position across cycles and changes itself across cycles, it may encode something itself or it may be a start/end marker.

Here's a example cycle, this particular one has multiple "in between purrs".

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wqgs48hto3ohpcy/between_purrs.wav?dl=0

It goes :

1. Honk/Wail
2. Chittering [Location block]
3. Purrs
   • Purr (High)
   • Purr (Low)
   • Inbetween purr (LHH?)
   • Purr (L)
   • Purr (H)
   • Purr (H)
   • Inbetween purr (HLH?)
4. Honk/Wail

For the more curious, here's the full audio across multiple cycles the above was taken from : https://www.dropbox.com/s/gywdxpskw2ta3s7/ross_154_first.mp3?dl=0

 

[Han_Zen]

Are you sure? Maybe the UA was the cause of the outbreak and due to this they (FD) made the CG to be in this system. - That's what I was going for earlier, but nobody replied. We should have a list of what happened to the known UAs and monitor the systems where they are sold.

There is something going on with the outbreaks. Both He Bo and this one. I don't know if it is UA related. I think it's a case of wait and see.

P.S. Arissa is not a Duval. Blain has miss-lead us ;-)

 

[bitstorm]

only 1 item had an effect on it,, the Sap 8 core container,,
Sap 8 Core Containers = Colour of the emissions change?

Yes I threw this one around not long ago, I would also like to see this "reaction" tested and ruled out or in.....It was put on the back burner perhaps too soon as my line of thinking was 8x Sap 8.......but of course the UA has 12 "ports".

I think this would be good, if there's a change it's worth pursuing, if not it's a red herring off the list.

I have a SAP core, I'm sure others do but if we want to try multiple I'm happy to private group for a meet up, would like to see one of these UAs in person TBH. =p

We need more UA's please do continue searching all, I will be real life allowing.

I'm searching, always searching. =(

Endless SSs, one day....

 

[Kulin]

Kulin, there's a bit more to the purrs, might as well repost from p17 :

I already've seen that. The inbetween "noise" is interesting. But i wasnt able to reproduce it in other sound files. So it may be a background noise or a noise of the recorders ship. However, i'm going to follow this idea a bit. I have quite a few sound files to look for this tones in.

Btw: i hear not 5 purrs, but 7. In the honk are 2 hidden purrs. First is low-tone, and very hard to hear. Second is high toned, and pretty easy to hear. To hear it better you need to use audacity and speed the thing up(with the toolbar-control, not with effect, because the effect does not increase the tone height, too).

 

[Han_Zen]

Thats pretty interesting. The missing of the word "Indigenous" is indeed a unique occurance. But what can we learn from the theory that the Thargoids are already in human space and have their own colony there? And why has nobody at Galnet noticed?

My take on this is that it is the so called "Scouting party" that lives in these colonies.
I think the "Scouting party" refers to the small bunch of Thargoids we encountered in FFE. It seems we actually made peace with them. All or some of these have stayed in human space. Either as observers/ambassadors or because the mycoid virus damaged their drives to much to return home.
This is off course hidden from the public to avoid panic or attacks on the Thargoids.

 

[Kulin]

The purrs don't seem obviously to be morse in that for a set of purrs the gaps between each purr seems to be consistent, like it doesn't SEEM like there's a letter gap.

Between the purrs there sometimes seems to be a short piece of high/low alternating audio, this changes in position across cycles and changes itself across cycles, it may encode something itself or it may be a start/end marker.

Here's a example cycle, this particular one has multiple "in between purrs".

I tested a few other sound files and noticed that yours were a bit stronger "boosted". I've found these "inbetween purrs" there, too. They have indeed 2 different tone heights. I hope i'm going to find some regularities. At the moment they vary in position pretty strongly. Sometimes they seem to be even completly missing.

Makes the thing not easier.

 

[Dommarraa]

There is something going on with the outbreaks. Both He Bo and this one. I don't know if it is UA related. I think it's a case of wait and see.

I concur. I have noticed a link between Medical CG and UA discovery. Only the fact that the UA is not discovered in or near the CG makes me doubt it.

 

[knowles2]

I already've seen that. The inbetween "noise" is interesting. But i wasnt able to reproduce it in other sound files. So it may be a background noise or a noise of the recorders ship. However, i'm going to follow this idea a bit. I have quite a few sound files to look for this tones in.

Btw: i hear not 5 purrs, but 7. In the honk are 2 hidden purrs. First is low-tone, and very hard to hear. Second is high toned, and pretty easy to hear. To hear it better you need to use audacity and speed the thing up(with the toolbar-control, not with effect, because the effect does not increase the tone height, too).

Which system was it record in? Using that as a beginning
which other systems are in jump range,
visit them all (certainly ones with 20ly or so) and see if any of the others locations produce the same sound, if you find one and ideally only one that reproduce that sound, then we have a trail to follow rinse and repeat until we arrive at our destination. Which will hopefully be so distinctive to be obvious we arrived.

Another idea to overlay the outbreaks onto the map and see if their any pattern to them. If they are being orchestrated by something like the UA there should surely be a pattern. Another possibility is to take the UA a colony let it explode and see if another outbreak follows along. This does mean sacrificing one of the few UA but it would also explain why Frontier has limited them to only a handful and even controlling when and where they drop.

 

[bitstorm]

I think the issues with the purrs are:

1. There does not appear to be a repeating pattern over cycles in a single deployment.
2. I am unsure if multiple deployments in the same area produce the same purrs each time.

I think the main issue with the purrs is (unlike the chittering) we have found no consistency, it would be good to run some tests on (2).

This might already have been done though?

 

[Kulin]

I think the issues with the purrs are:

1. There does not appear to be a repeating pattern over cycles in a single deployment.
2. I am unsure if multiple deployments in the same area produce the same purrs each time.

I think the main issue with the purrs is (unlike the chittering) we have found no consistency, it would be good to run some tests on (2).

This might already have been done though?

We already have tested number 2. The results are this post: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=141038&p=2477602&viewfull=1#post2477602

The purrs are indeed different when you release 2 UAs at the same position at the same time. Which is something that makes it very hard to believe that there is some code in the tone height of the purrs. Btw: we've also proved with this test that the chitter-length is position dependant which also supports the morse code.

I've collected a few of this "inbetween purrs"-example. While in your example they are indeed only high and low purrs that follow in a pretty exact rythm in other examples there are other tones in it. Some of it even remembers me about some kind of voice.

There is also another sound i hear again and again. Its at the end of the inbetween purr samples:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h9rtmzef9coidt5/inbetweenpurrs.mp3?dl=0

What i'm going to do is to study this sound files from the linked test. If the purrs are not the same when releasing 2 artifacts at the same position and time maybe the inbetween purrs are.

 

[Han_Zen]

Quiet before the storm?
I wonder if the sneaked in something secret in 1.3.07.





Probably not :-/

 

[clavain]

I'm sorry it's come to that for you, and I hope you'll reconsider.

Thanks for your post. I just want to clarify that the discussion here is not behind my decision to take a break from ED for a while, my mind had been made up on that before this. I also want to apologize if Jmanis or QorbeQ or others took offense at any of my posts - my intent was never to criticize their work or the effort behind it (or of others), simply to have it clearly explained and independently verified. I've deleted my last post, RedWizzard, perhaps you would be so kind as to delete the parts of it you quoted as well? If Zoltan and RedWizzard are satisfied with it, that works for me. As I have said from the start, I hope it leads to something concrete that will solve this thing once and for all. In any case, I am going to take a break from ED for a bit, although like Zoltan I am a bit addicted to this thread so may check back from time to time to see how things are going. Good luck, commanders.

 

[Han_Zen]

Thanks for your post. I just want to clarify that the discussion here is not behind my decision to take a break from ED for a while, my mind had been made up on that before this. I also want apologize if Jmanis or QorbeQ or others took offense at any of my posts - my intent was never to criticize their work or the effort behind it (or of others), simply to have it clearly explained and independently verified. I've deleted my last post, RedWizzard, perhaps you would be so kind as to delete the parts of it you quoted as well? If Zoltan and RedWizzard are satisfied with it, that works for me. As I have said from the start, I hope it leads to something concrete that will solve this thing once and for all. In any case, I am going to take a break from ED for a bit, although like Zoltan I am a bit addicted to this thread so may check back from time to time to see how things are going. Good luck, commanders.

Thanks for your efforts in this and the old thread. I have appreciated it. Specially your knowledge of the lore and history has been refreshing.