Weeks of hard grinding, all gone in an instant (please help)

Imagine someone would release a car-parking system which bumps your car here and there... off the market in 3...2...1... Hell, it wouldn't even get on the market, you see my point?
FDEV are just lazy and unreliable and it shows in many details which disappoints me as an alpha backer.

You are ignoring rate of incident, and degree of consequence. Nothing that involves humans achieves 100%, including humans making machines that fail due to human design, manufacturing error, etc

So saying the SDC has bugs is an obvious. But ascribing significant or huge fault, making SDC sound like it is not market ready, is clearly false because a) the rate of error is quite low, and b) the consequence when an error happens is also usually quite low

The known issue with SDC is a slow speed crash now and then into outpost landing pads - which I've replicated as due to my own initial boost before I contact outpost for landing, and then initiate auto doc. SDC gets confused on rate of speed closure and hits the landing pad bit hard in that case, but never anywhere near fatal - minor hull damage for unshielded, very light shield dmg otherwise.

But using your car parking system analogy, there ARE automotive systems released to market with known issues - in fact, every single one of them. The only difference is what the "acceptable" rate of error each system has, and what the degree of consequence each system has. Ask any corporate malpractice attorney - suing an automotive company for negligence is not about proving error - that never is a deciding factor, EVER.

It is whether the rate of error is higher than society deems "normal", and then if it does fail - what the consequence is - just a bump while parking, or full throttle down and high speed crash.

You can either take my word in the corporate legal side of things, or just research automotive fuel tanks and PDC or park distance control. Every car has fuel tanks - many cars come with some form of park distance control or assistance.

ALL of them, 100% - every single one - has a known rate of failure incident report on file with each corporate entity - this is to PROTECT them - so that if and when they are inevitably sued, there are able to prove beyond reasonable credibility that they had researched and tested exhaustive scenarios that proved the rate of error was low, and in what manner the consequence was when the system failed.

EVERY fuel tank has a crash collision rating in which if you exceed that, it may burst into flames and kill you by agonizing death-by-burning - the percentage is low, but when that speed is achieved (you hit someone, or drunk driver collides with you in just the right angle). And guess what? The speeds most of us drive at exceeds almost every single fuel tank manufactured by the industry.

but society has deemed that if the manufacturer cut costs and only achieved say a 15 mph rating, then they are evil cheap s and should be sued for billions - *read up on or google re: $4.9B -as in Billion - dollar jury verdict against GM (Anderson v. GM, 1999)

but if the manufacturer achieves say 60-70 mph, then society shrugs and says well that seems reasonable because the costs to allow for higher tolerance becomes logarithmic.

the same example applies for park distance or parking assistance - there is not a single, released to market and state / fed regulatory approved parking system that does not have known collision issues. but as stated, the rate of incident is fairly low, and the consequence is usually low. keywords usually - at some point, a baby will get in the way and then there will be another billion dollar suit which may or may not ever get paid out ala GM suit.

The SDC is basically the parking assistance of any modern car - usually fine, usually a ding when it does fail. That is by definition what every real life manufacturer tries to achieve and is tolerated to achieve - why should an AI program in a game be any different?
 
As a side note, there's loans now? They didn't show up when I lost my python or vulture a bunch of times.

Yup - and a reasonable player will never see it because it only shows up if you are short on insurance money - and since players learn either by prudence or darwinian consequence to always carry insurance.....

I only started 9-10 days ago, so not sure when implemented, but what I read - it's pretty new relative to the game's year or so release from alpha to now.

Like a normal noob, I started this game and said to myself - game manual? Tutorial from the menu? Hah! Who needs manuals or tutorials, I'm just gonna fire up this bad boy and learn as I go.

Fast forward to my first high speed attempt at docking in my newbie sidewinder and hello insurance screen - hello no money so here'a a loan

From what I've researched but obviously no longer see, since I carry insurance always, is that the max loan offered is based on the highest of your fed pilot ranking. And as I said, even a brand newbie will get something like 890k if I recall correctly as the max loan with no rating in combat, trade, or explore.

Not sure if and when it ever tops out - as in your max loan will not be enough to cover higher grades of insurance, but for sure it is a 2nd safety net that should never be counted on, but if you need to - it does cover you through all of being a a new player and all the way up to mid game ships at minimum
 
You bought a docking computer instead of shields? That's the opposite of how to configure a trading ship. I've flown nearly ever trading ship except anaconda and found that a docking computer is a waste of a perfectly good module slot. Toss the docking computer and outfit your ship to survive an NPC attack and a docking sequence gone wrong. My advice is purely optional if you don't mind blowing your cash.
 
Sorry for your loss, I never fly without triple the insurance costs in the bank. I also never use an auto-docker, too many other options to fill that valuable slot with.
 
At the risk of being unhelpful, it's called insurance. Sorry
No, it's called a BUG. No problem after waiting 48hours to amend by the ED team. He should not need to use insurance even if he had it all in this case.
 
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No, it's called a BUG. No problem after waiting 48hours to amend by the ED team. He should not need to use insurance even if he had it all in this case.

Your tone seems to suggest you believe 100% failsafe is possible in anything, in real life costing lives much less in a game. Do you believe a bug in game or real world systems is 0% proof?
 
No shield, no insurance AND docking computer? What can go wrong?

Greed really does cloud a person's judgement, and this is not even real money...
 
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Hmm... Next trader who forgot insurance...
Why it's always trader who grinded for weeks.
I never bought ship without cash for 5-10 re-buys
 
SJA said she has another fix in the pipeline for the docking computer. I still wouldn't rely on it 100% though no matter how good it gets. I do sometimes pop to the kitchen while the ship is auto-docking but can't stay there for more than 2 seconds without getting a panic attack and running back to the lounge to check nothing is going horribly wrong. Fortunately, not once has the docking computer messed up for me.

However, while i hope OP gets a refund due to losing things because of a bug, i also hope they have learnt a valuable lesson here and will never again fly without insurance, becaues next time it might not be the DC that kills them, but a player or an NPC, and then they will have no grounds to ask for a refund.
 
Auto dock computer is STILL messed up. You can NOT trust it. Sorry for your loss. :(

Yeah.. Its a bit hit and miss with the clipper. I often use a docking computer if I'm trucking stuff around but always tend to keep an eye on it. Trick with the clipper is to not activate docking computer if approaching the entrance face on until you are within 5 km.. Otherwise it tends to boost and crash into the station. Coming on frmo the side or behind seems safe.

As has been suggested OP should contact support. I would take this as a lesson and always make sure you have enough for a full rebuy. No excuses tbh ;)
 
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You should be able to take out a loan to pay it off say the bill is 500k, you only got 400k, you give all you got and then the other -100k or whatever shows up in the closest station as a loan kinda like the ticket fees.
 
You bought a docking computer instead of shields? That's the opposite of how to configure a trading ship. I've flown nearly ever trading ship except anaconda and found that a docking computer is a waste of a perfectly good module slot. Toss the docking computer and outfit your ship to survive an NPC attack and a docking sequence gone wrong. My advice is purely optional if you don't mind blowing your cash.

I disagree you can't equip a shield generator in the smallest slot of the imperial clipper. further more you are only loosing out on 4T of cargo
I will take the convince of a docking computer any day over the discovery scanner.
 
I find it SO embarrassing that after a year, the auto-docking computer is STILL a waste of time and not even working as intended.
Good job Frontier, thanks for making me laugh at you... again.
OP probably made the mistake to not use enough imagination in that situation.
To the OP, I'm mostly sorry for that mishap, but then again, leaving while in space and especially while approaching a station is like begging for something like this.
Could have been prevented if you would have been there, but that won't help now obviously.

I have never had a problem with the auto dock on my shieldless typ-9. But I always have insurance
 
Wouldn't it be nice if you kept your insurance claim, even if you don't have the money to pay for it right away?
So if you fall short, you just have to earn the insurance fee in a sidewinder to get your ship back.
 
I never understand insurance in the game. usually you pay beforehand so you know if you can afford it. Besides that, why can't you get partially insurance? Here you get a fixed price to buy your ship back, if you are 88.000 short why not get a partial ship back for cheaper? Like some of your add on's are not in your ship, now you lose everything.

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Wouldn't it be nice if you kept your insurance claim, even if you don't have the money to pay for it right away?
So if you fall short, you just have to earn the insurance fee in a sidewinder to get your ship back.

That is a good plan too. ;o)
 
I never understand insurance in the game. usually you pay beforehand so you know if you can afford it. Besides that, why can't you get partially insurance? Here you get a fixed price to buy your ship back, if you are 88.000 short why not get a partial ship back for cheaper? Like some of your add on's are not in your ship, now you lose everything.

There is such a system in the game- it's the SECOND safety net you are offered in the way of a loan to cover any shortfall of insurance money.

If your insurance is 1 million, and you have 900k in cash - you will be short 100k and can't re-buy your ship with just insurance. BUT - not sure when implemented, but there is also now a Loan that you can get to cover any shortage of cash. A brand new player with zero status will have a maximum loan ~900k

That means if you have re-buy cost of 1 million after dying, you only technically need 100k in cash - because the loan will cover the rest.

So the ONLY time you are unable to re-buy your ship with insurance now, is if you absolutely are trying to get yourself broke and in trouble - because you need to not only have not enough money for insurance, you also need to literally drain your cash to so low, that even the loan won't over the total of the insurance.

So while I empathize - as in feel sympathy for anyone who finds themselves horribly without means to rebuy their ship - I will also feel you deserve to be in that situation because you ignored not one, but two safety nets put in place to ensure that didn't happen
 
Not a fan of docking computer, as docking and undocking are one of the most fun parts of a game (especially when trading), but if there is an auto-docking component, then it should work as expected (except possibly if it was damaged), so open a support ticket and FD will get you your ship back.
 
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