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QorbeQ is right, it says PORT because my first clip has some part of the chittering too. But I'm talking about the other sound, you call background radioactive bee.
First, it's not a background sound, because it's audible JUST close to the UA. Yes, it could be a background sound emitted by the UA as it is radioactive in some kind.

In my second clip, there is not chittering anymore, just that sound.

But really can't you hear the structure of bips? Long and shorts?

I totally thrust QorbeQ as he has the best ear here I think, and I don't want to harass you :)

But I really hear that structure... sorry...

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In the second clip it starts with four long bips as I've cut it differently from the first, but the sequence is the same.

Diiii Diiii Diiii Diiii - Di Diiii Di Diiii Di Di Di Diiii or something like that...

_ _ _ _ (pause) ._._..._

Sorry, for me, the radioactive bee - which is very difficult to pay attention to, like you say - just comes in three 'pulses' for me, two short (first is right at the start in your second clip), followed by a delay and then a longer pulse at the end.

If we are to treat that as Morse, we're going to get '. . -', which is just 'EET' I think. In order to be intelligible Morse, we'd have to have far more compact short and long pulses, to make up the various letters of the alphabet, and, to be honest, they'd have to be sounds that don't fade in and out in order to be readable, for that same reason.

Just my two pence...
 
Sorry, for me, the radioactive bee - which is very difficult to pay attention to, like you say - just comes in three 'pulses' for me, two short (first is right at the start in your second clip), followed by a delay and then a longer pulse at the end.

If we are to treat that as Morse, we're going to get '. . -', which is just 'EET' I think. In order to be intelligible Morse, we'd have to have far more compact short and long pulses, to make up the various letters of the alphabet, and, to be honest, they'd have to be sounds that don't fade in and out in order to be readable, for that same reason.

Just my two pence...

It took quite some time to get my ear used to it, I've listened that sound a thousand times by now and, where you here just one pulse, I can hear many of them, at a very fast speed and in two flavours: longs and shorts.
BTW, when I discovered this thing I thought it was important and that you must know.
Now it's done.
I'm almost surely wrong but, between a Mayan and a Binary theory, it was worth a try, as I'm still convinced that the solution is in-game, without any need to go outside of it, looking for books or tables or else. The MORSE is the only thing that was already known about the game, as it is widely used in it.

Thanks for your time, CMDR!
 
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It took quite some time to get my ear get used, I've listened that sound a thousand times by now and, where you here just one pulse, I can hear many of them, at a very fast speed and in two flavours: longs and shorts.
BTW, when I discovered this thing I thought it was important and that you must know.
Now it's done.
I'm almost surely wrong but, between a Mayan and a Binary theory, it was worth a try, as I'm still convinced that the solution is in-game, without any need to go outside of it, looking for books or tables or else. The MORSE is the only thing that was already known about the game, as it is widely used in it.

Thanks for your time, CMDR!

I hate to say it, but i also have the strong feeling that we are a little bit lost at the moment.

The morse code did never change and only gives the closest steller objects name in the same system away. The purrs resist everything, beside that change in this two videos. The Mayan Numbers seem to lead nowhere. The other noises are not complex enough to contain data.

In my opinion the only good leads we have are:

The Plague
New Plagues with unknown transmission methods appearing at about the same time as new unknown artifacts who emit strange clouds are never a good sign. But what could we do? Bringing more UAs in a System where the plague already broke out? What could we possibly learn from it? And why are the systems like Sleipnir - where dozens of tests have been done - not infected? I searched last evening in the system named in the galnet news for a while and also found no UA. (I had the theory that we maybe need to find and remove the UAs from those systems, to help them recovering.) Any other ideas?

The 2-Purr Videos
We have 2 videos where the purrs behave different then in dozens of other tests. In fact this is the ONLY case where the artifact is doing something different. We should find out why.

I think we should focus a bit more on this two theories again.
 
Just to summarize, it goes

  • Honk Type 1 (low high low)
  • Stretched clicking begins indicating start of location block, clicking "contains"...
    • Morse location block of nearest object (star, planet, station)
  • Stretched clicking ends (note, this clicking accompanies the morse throughout)
  • Purrs block
    • (2-7) ish purrs
    • Sometimes there are "interstitial" noises between the purrs sounding (low high low) (low high high), there appears to be a set number of these.
  • Honk Type 2 (high low low(maybe medium))
  • Morse location block of nearest object (star, planet, station)
  • Stretched clicking ends
  • Purrs block

Also each "block" is not necesarilly distinct, there's often overlap, purr starting in chittering, purrs continuing into honk and through the other side.

It's been said the purrs increase in pitch the longer the UA is broadcasting.

Qorbec says the purrs are continuous throughout but the volume is reduced during the location block.

There is also a whine throughout, almost like station background noise, Rizal72 thinks this might be morse or similar.
 
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if true, then this might explain why we're having a hard time finding them, Timocani's population is only 74k

There's also the security level of the system, 109 V and Tomagotchi are both medium.

High security areas *seem* to spawn less SSSs.

I've been wondering whether high or low sec is best.

i.e It makes sense to me that high sec spawns less SSS then low sec, but that any found SSS is MORE LIKELY to be military.

It depends on how the devs have implemented. I was hoping to get an answer here but didn't =( https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=165393&p=2532606&viewfull=1#post2532606

- - - Updated - - -

Its 6-7 and in two(of about 20 recordings i have as reference) occasions 2-3. 2-7 would mean there are also sequences with 4 purrs or something! :D

Ahhhhhh!

edit: actually im sure i've seen a 4, maybe im mistaken ill have a look later
 
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Actually @kulin you should repost your summary since this seems to be the current topic, it's a lot more thorough than what I've posted above!

You were asking if anything should be added...

Maybe add in the stretched clicking that seem to serve as an "enclosing container" for the location morse.

Maybe rename inbetween purrs to interstitial noises, it sounds better! =p

Also there's this:

Brimstone attempts to provide the actual notes and frequencies for the honks...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2542454&viewfull=1#post2542454

and I think here he does one of the interstitials too? (double check this im at work, cannot verify)

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2542482&viewfull=1#post2542482

Maybe put a [needs confirmation] by the notes for now or something until someone else with a good ear can confirm the specific notes.
 
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I am convinced their appearance is linked to medical outbreaks. 1.3 drops with no cg. No ua spotted. 1st medical cg appears, 1 ua appears. Latest 3 system cg appears, 2 spotted but not collected.
That leaves between 1 and 3 ua available right now, so hunt away. If I wasn't in a tent in Wales, I would be.

Still only confirmed in Tim or 109 v. Coincidence because that is where everyone hunts? Surely a non ua hunter would have spotted one by now somewhere else. Yet these systems are not related to each other or the outbreak locations in any way, it all stinks to me. Either we are missing something, we are sidetracked by our ssss, or its bad coding.

If I find a ua, I would:
Beg for a pile of sap 8 from someone
Do some Explorer elite missions
Do more tests of sap 8 and ua, and record if I can work out how
Try and bump a sap 8 into a floating ua
Get a ua and sap 8 on collector limpets with my cargo closed and watch.
Go places of interest, including polaris

If there are no ua available, then I might try and follow some hafnium convoys to see where they go. But I won't hunt unless I think there is something to find

Maian stuff is fun, but unless you can get 3 coordinate numbers out of it, I think you are wasting your time.
I still think there is more to the purrs, but they are a long sequence that cannot be recorded in 1 session
 
Ahhhhhh!

edit: actually im sure i've seen a 4, maybe im mistaken ill have a look later

Please don't let's start the discussion if there are 5 or 7 purrs again. We have a 30 page thread where people came to the conclusion that there are 6-7 purrs. We have our discussion with me trying to convince you that there are more purrs in your example, coming to the conclusion that its a matter of interpretation(count or dont count purrs in howls). But either you are interpreting it my way or your way. Meaning: If we interpret it my way we have 2 videos with 2-3 and countless videos with 6-7 purrs. And if we interpret it your way we have 2 videos with 2-3 and tons of videos with 5-6. But in NO case 2-7.

I just want to make this clear because there always come new people to the thread that seem to get highly confused by those contradicting numbers.
 
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Actually @kulin you should repost your summary since this seems to be the current topic, it's a lot more thorough than what I've posted above!

You were asking if anything should be added...

Maybe add in the stretched clicking that seem to serve as an "enclosing container" for the location morse.

Ok, i'm going to add it and repost it later.

Maybe rename inbetween purrs to interstitial noises, it sounds better! =p

I actually think inbetween purr is very good, because when you slow them down they almost sound like a normal purr. But it generates a lot of confusion so maybe it's better to rename them. I think they get by far too less attention in cause of this confusion for my taste even if they make the thing a LOT more complicated.

Also there's this:

Brimstone attempts to provide the actual notes and frequencies for the honks...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2542454&viewfull=1#post2542454

and I think here he does one of the interstitials too? (double check this im at work, cannot verify)

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2542482&viewfull=1#post2542482

Maybe put a [needs confirmation] by the notes for now or something until someone else with a good ear can confirm the specific notes.

That is indeed interesting. I hope Brimstone could also listen to this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/as7ddnoy99pqadl/1.2_all_tones_start_end.mp3?dl=0

I had the feeling a while back that shortly after releasing the UA there are much more different "tones" then later. If i'm right there are about 6-7 different purr-tones. But i'm no musician. But they just sound so different....
 
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He said _some_ of it is not canon on the wiki as it is fan-created. The Oresrians, however, do appear in at least two of the new lore books (which are canon) as a faction of the Thargoids (the one humanity met and either defeated with the virus or made peace with in FFE). What is likely not canon is their use in the FFE fan fiction by Drew and others, and perhaps their appearance description.
 
I hate to say it, but i also have the strong feeling that we are a little bit lost at the moment.

The morse code did never change and only gives the closest steller objects name in the same system away. The purrs resist everything, beside that change in this two videos. The Mayan Numbers seem to lead nowhere. The other noises are not complex enough to contain data.

In my opinion the only good leads we have are:

The Plague
New Plagues with unknown transmission methods appearing at about the same time as new unknown artifacts who emit strange clouds are never a good sign. But what could we do? Bringing more UAs in a System where the plague already broke out? What could we possibly learn from it? And why are the systems like Sleipnir - where dozens of tests have been done - not infected? I searched last evening in the system named in the galnet news for a while and also found no UA. (I had the theory that we maybe need to find and remove the UAs from those systems, to help them recovering.) Any other ideas?

The 2-Purr Videos
We have 2 videos where the purrs behave different then in dozens of other tests. In fact this is the ONLY case where the artifact is doing something different. We should find out why.

I think we should focus a bit more on this two theories again.

I agree that there could a significance in the 2 purr recordings, but to be honest there really isn't anything intelligible in the purrs themselves - certainly not in terms of 'encoded data'.

I've just been doing some exploring and have been reminded (again - the similarity was mentioned early in the last thread, before we knew about the morse) of how some of the UA sounds are similar to the DSS, even some of the higher warbles, which happen during the purrs, sound just like it.

What that means, I don't know - could just be coincidence. But it's location aware, and like our DSS, which takes longer to resolve its target the further away you are, might be too far from its actual target to be able to do something, well, 'extra'.

Based on that theory, we'd be looking for audio which gets shorter and longer based on location - assuming it's only one location it's looking for. The number of purrs could be a clue, but the change in the number of purrs was observed in the same system (but was it the same location in that system?).

It mightn't be external systems it was looking for, but specific locations within any suitable system. Problem with that theory is that the UA is very well-travelled now, with multiple recordings from multiple locations, and not much 'consistent variance' has been observed between them, except the Morse.

With regards to the plague - as I said last night, I really don't think it's plausible that it's the source of the outbreak - far too easy for UA carriers to spread the plague like wildfire - assuming the very presence of the UA was enough to spread it. Admittedly, there are coincidences between the plague systems, the phage idea, and the UA itself, but if a plague system was a key location to the UA, then I think FD would have programmed behaviour into it that would make it obvious we were getting warmer when it was released in that system.

There must be something about the UA itself and, most likely the sound it emits, that provides a keen observer with all the necessary information to figure out what to 'do' with it, if anything. Outside of community generated Galnet articles, the only other 'official' information about the UA is the trailer, the convoy chatter, and the UA itself.

My guess is that once the Morse was discovered, it was expected we'd figure it out from there, but we haven't.

We're missing something blindingly obvious here - and by obvious I don't mean hard-to-hear sounds - I think the next step is a logical one from the information we have - possibly with a bit of lateral thought (not great at that, sorry!).
 
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Please don't let's start the discussion if there are 5 or 7 purrs again. We have a 30 page thread where people came to the conclusion that there are 6-7 purrs. We have our discussion with me trying to convince you that there are more purrs in your example, coming to the conclusion that its a matter of interpretation(count or dont count purrs in howls).

I'd always count purrs in howls.
 
We're missing something blindingly obvious here.

Don't know what you mean..

My working theory is if you take the "If found, please return to Asellus Primus A" text from the underside of the UA, ROT-13 it, do a character distribution pattern, translate it to Morse and use that as the key to decode the green and purple pulses, that might narrow it down to a few thousands systems for us to try.. Doesn't get any simpler than that.. ;)

I agree though, I think we're putting more imagination and effort into it than Frontier probably have. It has to be simpler than multiple encoded signals layered over each other using different encoding methods..
 
I agree that there could a significance in the 2 purr recordings, but to be honest there really isn't anything intelligible in the purrs themselves - certainly not in terms of 'encoded data'.

I've just been doing some exploring and have been reminded of how some of the UA sounds are similar to the DSS, even some of the higher warbles, which happen during the purrs, sound just like it.

What that means, I don't know - could just be coincidence. But it's location aware, and like our DSS, which takes longer to resolve its target the further away you are, might be too far from its actual target to be able to do something, well, 'extra'.

Based on that theory, we'd be looking for audio which gets shorter and longer based on location - assuming it's only one location it's looking for. The number of purrs could be a clue, but the change in the number of purrs was observed in the same system (but was it the same location in that system?).

It mightn't be external systems it was looking for, but specific locations within any suitable system. Problem with that theory is that the UA is very well-travelled now, with multiple recordings from multiple locations, and not much 'consistent variance' has been observed between them, except the Morse.We're missing something blindingly obvious here.

Yes, i had that thought yesterday, too. Was close to polaris and did some exploration. The DSS sounds really very, very similar sometimes.

But my thoughts about the 2 purr video were also wandering in another direction. What was the difference between this 2 videos and most of the other videos? SAP8? It was there in one video and not there in the other video. There are also SAP8 videos with normal purr sequences. The only difference i saw was that in both videos were about 4-5 players around. Maybe its just a matter of getting as many peoples together as possible? :D But that would be a little bit too easy. :p

With regards to the plague - as I said last night, I really don't think it's plausible that it's the source of the outbreak - far too easy for UA carriers to spread the plague like wildfire - assuming the very presence of the UA was enough to spread it. Admittedly, there are coincidences between the plague systems, the phage idea, and the UA itself, but if a plague system was a key location to the UA, then I think FD would have programmed behaviour into it that would make it obvious we were getting warmer when it was released in that system.

There must be something about the UA itself and, most likely the sound it emits, that provides a keen observer with all the necessary information to figure out what to 'do' with it, if anything. Outside of community generated Galnet articles, the only other 'official' information about the UA is the trailer, the convoy chatter, and the UA itself.

My guess is that once the Morse was discovered, it was expected we'd figure it out from there, but we haven't.

It could also just be that the morse is something optional and was never intended to be decrypted. Maybe its just a nice easter egg that makes the thing a bit more interesting. We should remember how long it took until we were sure that it's morse. It's a bit too strongly distorted for being an "obvious" and essential hint to solve the puzzle.
 
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