YOu are not a part of the cult of we have move around the UA to different systems and put things beside it and listen to the UA.
What do you think they should do with one?
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YOu are not a part of the cult of we have move around the UA to different systems and put things beside it and listen to the UA.
What do you think they should do with one?
No I think you're right.
I think (and I may be wrong, you'll probably be better suited to doing this sort of thing than me!) the low purrs might stay the same pitch while the high purrs are the ones that increase, in other words the gap between the pitch of the low and high purrs increases.
I do not know if the pitch increase is time dependent or it's cycle dependent, as in does it continually increase or is there a jump at each cycle start (maybe the honk).
If it continually increases doing the test at a short morse name is irrelevant as the pitch would be the same after 5 minutes regardless of the number of cycles.
Also I'm not 100% sure if the time between purrs lessens ie it speeds up. I know some people have said it doesn't but I think some have said they think it does.
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Well except it might have a water pump in it. =p
I think people just pick up on aspects they're interested in. If folk interested in theorizing about the overall function can come up with ways to test what it's function might be then I'm all ears.
(I'm still not up for destructive testing tho!)
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You are making a real life analogy, and very funny indeed.
But we are talking about a game, and a Puzzle that was deliberately created by sentient being for us to solve.
In this game, there is an Alien race as well. In Games Aliens tend to kill you, or to communicate. Or both things.
In a Game, if you want to communicate something, you do it with sound, and light. No telepathy, unfortunately.
That, just to say that sounds and lights MUST be analyzed, even if they are just Choreography.
Then, you sell the UA to Newton Dock.
I'm not saying DO NOT analyse the sounds and lights - That is indeed what we have been doing for some time now, and we have had good results. I'm concerned that we MAY have exhausted the actual information available from those sources, and we are now attempting to analyse sounds which are incidental to the the function of the UA (like the waterpump in my analogy). Hey - I have nothing against continuing light and sound testing - but I think we should be also be trying to look at The UA as a whole. ie What might it do??????
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IF its supposed to do something - does it need fuel - drop it in the fuel scooping zone of a star - very carefully
You say your all for FULLY testing its function. Not one FULLY functioned detailed test has been done to them.
All we have is 2 videos one Giff and one not so well recorded. Which i will post again
[video=youtube;edvUqVgAcY0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edvUqVgAcY0[/video]
This was not an actual test it was a mistake. It wasnt recorded properly and in good detail.
We lucked out the video was even recorded.
So you can not say you have ever tested the UA OVERALL FUNCTION and recorded its Overall function in detail.
The sky looks blue for me today.
Hmm, just had another And Here the Wheel thought:
Edit: Of course, the UA might in fact still be an alien probe or nav beacon or whatever, and perhaps even a peaceful one based around whales, dolphins, sea turtles, Junior and Leviathan - its appearance is just being used for nefarious purposes by one of those two groups, or both of them operating together after the recent failures.
Anyways, just my latest mad musings, fuelled by beer and keyword eBook searches.
I had forgotten that the book started with the assassination of a Federal minister by the CEIP, who then planted the Thargoid tech from Soontill at the site of the ambush. And they later try to take down a senior Imperial Royal, but with a stolen Federation weapon (not a Thargoid one), but fail because of Alliance Intelligence and Federation Intelligence and pirate intervention, which leads to the destruction of the CEIP/former Thargoid base on Soontill. I suppose this could mean the CEIP might be behind the disappearance of the Federal President (assassination?) who was such an impressively built-up character I can no longer remember the name (Hadley?). So is the UA simply another attempt by the CEIP to use Thargoid or alien tech to instil fear and unite humanity? And if so, how?
Other than being obviously alien and possibly some sort of probe and nav beacon? Perhaps that is all there is to it, and this part of the UA story is over? I am not convinced of any plague connections other than the CEIP may have used the pre-existing plague to generate fear with the UAs as Zoltan mentions above.
And you would think that if the UA had been related to the President's disappearance, the CG to look for her (his?) ship would have turned something up as a reward, either a continuing story in Galnet, or perhaps even a UA reference or find, as they had been in play for some time before the disappearance. But there was a hint in Galnet. My theory is CEIP (or even INRA), after the failures in And Here The Wheel, went to Plan D and popped the President, and also are using the UA (and the articles in Galnet which appeared after the disappearance about the "alien threat") to generate more fear in an attempt to move the Feds and Imps closer to war. Plan E will be an attempt on the Emperor's life during his wedding (perhaps even wiping out his court and entourage and many Senators) which they will try to pin on the Federation, to start a war between new Evil Federation President (also forget his name) and new Evil Imperial Emperor replacement, that in their warped view will have one clear winner to unite all of humanity against the aliens.
Oh, and I also forgot the bit about the INRA Admiral mentioning that they killed Mic Turner of the AAAI, who had "brought the Thargoids back into the game" by negotiating with them. And the bit where the INRA "retriever" device used to download the CEIP computer core which contains the navigational information for the hidden location of Soontill is described as "a crystal with wires snaking out of it". Possibly a SAP-8 Core Container? Also described as having a foot-long crystal?
And would it be beyond the CEIP to be able to change the nav system designation of "dark systems" like Kumbaya and Soontill to actually hide the real location of Soontill, which could explain why we have found nothing there, and will not until the SAP-8 mission line is completed? i.e. since these were dark systems to start with that very few knew of, they simply created fake discovery data for them in other systems, to hide the real Soontill/Kumbaya.
Edit: And Soontill may just have been one of seven CEIP bases...
Edit2: And of course this would mean CEIP or INRA (probably working through or with Hudson) are behind the earlier probable assassination of the Federation Vice-President as well.
Other than being obviously alien and possibly some sort of probe and nav beacon? Perhaps that is all there is to it, and this part of the UA story is over? I am not convinced of any plague connections other than the CEIP may have used the pre-existing plague to generate fear with the UAs as Zoltan mentions above.
And you would think that if the UA had been related to the President's disappearance, the CG to look for her (his?) ship would have turned something up as a reward, either a continuing story in Galnet, or perhaps even a UA reference or find, as they had been in play for some time before the disappearance. But there was a hint in Galnet. My theory is CEIP (or even INRA), after the failures in And Here The Wheel, went to Plan D and popped the President, and also are using the UA (and the articles in Galnet which appeared after the disappearance about the "alien threat") to generate more fear in an attempt to move the Feds and Imps closer to war. Plan E will be an attempt on the Emperor's life during his wedding (perhaps even wiping out his court and entourage and many Senators) which they will try to pin on the Federation, to start a war between new Evil Federation President (also forget his name) and new Evil Imperial Emperor replacement, that in their warped view will have one clear winner to unite all of humanity against the aliens.
Oh, and I also forgot the bit about the INRA Admiral mentioning that they killed Mic Turner of the AAAI, who had "brought the Thargoids back into the game" by negotiating with them. And the bit where the INRA "retriever" device used to download the CEIP computer core which contains the navigational information for the hidden location of Soontill is described as "a crystal with wires snaking out of it". Possibly a SAP-8 Core Container? Also described as having a foot-long crystal?
And would it be beyond the CEIP to be able to change the nav system designation of "dark systems" like Kumbaya and Soontill to actually hide the real location of Soontill, which could explain why we have found nothing there, and will not until the SAP-8 mission line is completed? i.e. since these were dark systems to start with that very few knew of, they simply created fake discovery data for them in other systems, to hide the real Soontill/Kumbaya.
Edit: And Soontill may just have been one of seven CEIP bases...
Edit2: And of course this would mean CEIP or INRA (probably working through or with Hudson) are behind the earlier probable assassination of the Federation Vice-President as well.
Edit: Of course, the UA might in fact still be an alien probe or nav beacon or whatever, and perhaps even a peaceful one based around whales, dolphins, sea turtles, Junior and Leviathan - its appearance is just being used for nefarious purposes by one of those two groups, or both of them operating together after the recent failures.
Anyways, just my latest mad musings, fuelled by beer and keyword eBook searches.
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^^ this so very much - excellent thinking.
I'm far less grounded in all the background, but, genuinely, this kind of world view (er, galaxy view?) is pressing my plausibility buttons almost uncomfortably firmly
Thanks for enticing me back in!
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^^ this so very much - excellent thinking.
I'm far less grounded in all the background, but, genuinely, this kind of world view (er, galaxy view?) is pressing my plausibility buttons almost uncomfortably firmly
Thanks for enticing me back in!
No prob. Glad you are back! John's book is well worth the read.
I pick out 4 distinct notes. Using note letter and octave number, my preliminary analysis of those particular notes: D4, Gsharp/Aflat4, D4, and (I think the note is so low) D1 or D2.
Or for the galactic map searching purposes, D4 A4 D4 D1, or D4 G4 D4 D1. However, that's assuming the tuning of my electronic piano is identical to that of the Elite: Dangerous composer.
If not, then there are many, many more possible iterations. For example, with the proper (downward) tuning B3, F4, B3, B0 would yield the same melody (and doesn't have any nuisance sharp/flat notes).
I notice naming conventions in the galactic map often end with a letter-number. So for example: Crucis Sector ER-V B2-0, or Crucis Sector CL-Y D165, and so forth.
So, maybe there's a connection between note letter, octave number notes from the signal. Something with a D4 combination at the end?
This seemed like a great idea two hours ago. I was so sure of myself! Now I'm pouring through the 400,000,000,000 galaxy star map looking at names! Aaaa!!!
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A possible idea if a LRA site is found ( liazeda radio annomoly ). Could it MORSE what it is?
Although the LRAs mentioned in elite timeliness are elusive to locations,and doesn't correlate to our 3d map.
I am curious about the antares incident. Now mentioned twice in galnet.first after Hasley vanishes,now again in sirius corp history galnet.I hope more info comes as it is in next galnet post. Could be a LRA in this game I hope. Date of antares incident not in the old timeline so must be new
Although the LRAs mentioned in elite timeliness are elusive to locations,and doesn't correlate to our 3d map.
I am curious about the antares incident. Now mentioned twice in galnet.first after Hasley vanishes,now again in sirius corp history galnet.I hope more info comes as it is in next galnet post. Could be a LRA in this game I hope. Date of antares incident not in the old timeline so must be new
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When I was listening to the sound it seemed possible that if extracted the background sound could perhaps be interpreted as a spectrogram, thus providing an image. This yielded nothing exciting. I tried numerous techniques but after reading quite a bit I've come to the conclusion that these are, in fact, navigational beacons of sorts.
I've gone through the list of where these have been found and they have all been habitable systems and for the most part approximately 90ly from Sol. Now while they are generally found in cargo holds of escorted vessels it seems to me that they are being found in inhabited space. I would say this is a precursor to an outside invasion.
Here is the spectrogram, nothing exciting:
Imagine for a moment that Witch Space (In our modern understanding, very similar to "Imaginary Space" or as Tesla called it, the "Ether"/"Aether") is literally a component of the existing Universe, as opposed to a detached dimension. Also imagine that, and this is my actual standing theory unrelated to the game, that virtual particles do not borrow energy from the future, instead they traverse between "Real" and "Imaginary" Space as either a form of equilibrium as per the law of conservation as other matter travels between the two, or it's a constant exchange and that both would not exist without. According to the math and theories gone into understanding "Imaginary Space" there is no physical speed limit making breaching this barrier very important to travelling vast distances within a reasonable time-frame.
Back to game logic! So if we were to understand that both "Witch Space" and our space exist as merely different layers of the same reality it is entirely possible that to find a known point in "Real Space" you must have something marking it; as in "Witch Space" things would quickly become unrecognizable in relation to the other. So these objects, given their already distorted space-time field, are most likely "Half-in, half-out" between "Real Space" and "Imaginary" or "Witch Space". Which is entirely possible in the real world via Zero-point manipulation and electromagnetic means. This would enable those traversing "Witch Space" the ability to quickly determine a location and emerge into "Real Space" at the appropriate and desired location.
Moral of the story, take them as far as possible from inhabited space and keep an eye on them with a Fleet while reverse engineering them, or destroy every last one.
Furthermore, perhaps they don't "degrade in space" and instead perhaps they are doing something not so far fetched - like self-detonating when they detect being compromised. Shields are most likely Electromagnetic projections therefore it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that inside a shielded environment they are "contained".
I've gone through the list of where these have been found and they have all been habitable systems and for the most part approximately 90ly from Sol. Now while they are generally found in cargo holds of escorted vessels it seems to me that they are being found in inhabited space. I would say this is a precursor to an outside invasion.
Here is the spectrogram, nothing exciting:
Imagine for a moment that Witch Space (In our modern understanding, very similar to "Imaginary Space" or as Tesla called it, the "Ether"/"Aether") is literally a component of the existing Universe, as opposed to a detached dimension. Also imagine that, and this is my actual standing theory unrelated to the game, that virtual particles do not borrow energy from the future, instead they traverse between "Real" and "Imaginary" Space as either a form of equilibrium as per the law of conservation as other matter travels between the two, or it's a constant exchange and that both would not exist without. According to the math and theories gone into understanding "Imaginary Space" there is no physical speed limit making breaching this barrier very important to travelling vast distances within a reasonable time-frame.
Back to game logic! So if we were to understand that both "Witch Space" and our space exist as merely different layers of the same reality it is entirely possible that to find a known point in "Real Space" you must have something marking it; as in "Witch Space" things would quickly become unrecognizable in relation to the other. So these objects, given their already distorted space-time field, are most likely "Half-in, half-out" between "Real Space" and "Imaginary" or "Witch Space". Which is entirely possible in the real world via Zero-point manipulation and electromagnetic means. This would enable those traversing "Witch Space" the ability to quickly determine a location and emerge into "Real Space" at the appropriate and desired location.
Moral of the story, take them as far as possible from inhabited space and keep an eye on them with a Fleet while reverse engineering them, or destroy every last one.
Furthermore, perhaps they don't "degrade in space" and instead perhaps they are doing something not so far fetched - like self-detonating when they detect being compromised. Shields are most likely Electromagnetic projections therefore it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that inside a shielded environment they are "contained".
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Most of your objections are related to the fact that the trailer was filmed in that particular system. What if they only chose that system because it has a pretty background? There is no reason to believe that either everything in the trailer is a clue or nothing is. We can ignore the setting and still think the station mentioned might be a clue.
I'm unconvinced we should dismiss the trailer due to being "out of game" either. The books are also "out of game", and even less accessible and yet we're perfectly happy to look for clues there.
Selling at Leonard Nimoy may well be "unlikely" to be the answer, but it's been 10 weeks since we got the first UA, we should have tried it by now.
Antares incident hapened in the early 3250s.
I'm sure thats possible with some notice?
Yes it should.
There have been quite a few incidents of UAs being lost in unfortunate accidental bumps - and yet there are now 2 or 3 out there in the hands of CMDRs.
Better that one of them had been sold at Nimoy Station instead of being lost in this way, surely! Now, I'm not carrying one, but if I were to find one it'd be going straight to Nimoy - based purely on the trailer link alone - or to Newton, possibly with the lead-in of a Galnet article saying it was being donated to plague science.
Both options, for me, are clear logical leaders over any other ideas. Letting it 'die' is probably next - but I don't personally think the 'where' is important in this case - there's no way to know 'where' is the right place. And really - I just want to see that option forgotten, so when I say it's next, it's because I personally would like to see it discounted.
Those of us still studying audio should have more than enough material to work with now, so losing the current stack of UAs isn't going to make much of a difference on that front; and I'd wager if went down to 0 UAs, within a few days there'd be 1 or 2 back out there soon enough.
Don't we all want this thing moved on!? I want to open the after dinner luxury shortbread!
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I agree, however I also understand peoples reticence. I admit it is equally likely that Nimoy was just mentioned in the trailer because they thought it was a cool tribute......but again I must say these things need to be ruled out desperately, scientific method and all that.
It seems you've missed my last line, that finally said I agree with you
(selling it to Newton Dock...)I was just saying that the sound SHOULD be analyzed. And, for me, it has been enough.
Newton Dock, Leonard Nimoy, Let it die with a ship very close (for the Space/time travel hint in the book).
These are our three options.
MAD MUSING?! I call it smart thinking! Finally someone who read the book. You came to my exact same conclusions, pal.
Just two points: if you read the book carefully, it is revealed that the stolen Fed Mass destruction Weapon, is derived from Thargoid tech.
And the UA has a lot of reasons to be related to the plague. believe me
And yes, when I read about that crystal, the SAP8 came immediately to my mind as well.
We have Plan C going on, my friend, and President's vanishing, was the first move.
Now it's Emperor's turn... you'll see.
Ah! Very important: I think I have an explanation for the UA UNIQUE behaviour in Sleipnir recording.
And my idea comes directly from the Book itself. I will follow with details soon.
^^ this so very much - excellent thinking.
I'm far less grounded in all the background, but, genuinely, this kind of world view (er, galaxy view?) is pressing my plausibility buttons almost uncomfortably firmly
Thanks for enticing me back in!
Welcome back, LordZoltan! I'm happy about it
We needed your mind back!
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Welcome back, LordZoltan! I'm happy about it
We needed your mind back!
If you listen to my wife - she'd tell you I never had a mind in the first place!
Clavain is pretty hot on the content of these books, and if you're finding extra content there that could have a provable link then great
I'm strongly considering starting the journey back from my exploration jaunt to cash in and hopefully buy a UA Hunter so I can try and get these things ruled out, because I do agree with our esteemed Dr Arcanonn: if you have a UA, it's like having the One Ring (as someone else has already put it)!
I know: it's not that easy to get them(!), but at the moment I feel we are at stand-still just a bit.
I concur, its just bad luck that the folks who want the destructive tests discounted can't find one for love nor money.
Anyway. Crazy theory 1584. The let it die folks actually have something, the explosion gives you a glimpse into the future, and drops you into a CQC instance. Its in game, fits current theories and I am joking.
Anyway. Crazy theory 1584. The let it die folks actually have something, the explosion gives you a glimpse into the future, and drops you into a CQC instance. Its in game, fits current theories and I am joking.
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