Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[bitstorm]

If you are going to collect a UA, you are taking a VERY high risk hoping it just falls out, and a high risk hoping all the Condas are dropped from the wing before you attack the T9.
Each jump is 10 mins in normal space + SC time to the random station in the next system. The T9 doesnt fly at full speed, so can easily spend 5 mins getting to the station. Gives you a 1/3 chance that the UA will be dropped in SC and therefore lost. There is also about 10% chance that you will loose the convoy after every jump, and a chance that you will be interdicted on route and lose the convoy. After a few jumps all this ends up with only a 50% chance or less that you will be around to see the UA fall out of the hatch.

If you DO find a UA, I think you want a better chance than that ! I would advise people either have a wing available, or have a ship capable of taking out 1 Conda escort and pirating the T9, probably after the 1st jump (Interdict it if possible). In my book, thats a Python and only a Python.
A Clipper may do, but you are forced to smuggle your UA into each and every dock
A Vulture may do, but does it might not have the jump range to follow the T9
A Courier may do, but by time it is loaded up with all the scanners etc that you need to hunt, I would not think it still packs enough punch

Aye.

Not commenting on what is best and how is best to get the UA.

But generally I would *build for what you are trying to do currently*, which is successfully extracting a UA. As long as you check out the Python's hatch idiosyncrasies before-hand I think it's probably a reasonable choice for that.

People can help you swap to another ship once you have it if you think another ship is more suitable. The folk currently holding UAs can help or someone else you trust. You might not be able to swap ship right there and then but I'd worry about that later.

 

[rizal72]

I got some more tests done this evening:

* I Bootis - https://youtu.be/t1iiqtgctH8
* Dustball, next to Maher Stellar Research (in I Bootis) - https://youtu.be/0EriGJFMQxY
* HIP 35900 - https://youtu.be/WNnzkK9d3MI
* Heike 8 - https://youtu.be/vrwRBzApRA4
* Baltah'sine 4b gourmet Vacuum Krill dinner - http://youtu.be/bo-vaZOmGL4

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I also tried find the right WSS in BD-02 4304 to do the "corpse test" (typical WSS, except the canisters are identified as "corpse" - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=164228). I spent about an hour hunting, no luck finding one. That might be a better test for a Wing to be involved in (more WSS to check & the UA bearer can stay parked in station until one is found & a wing beacon is dropped). It was unpleasant trying to keep one eye on the Cargo Hatch's HP & the other on the Nav tab for WSS.

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What little is left of our collective sanity has been retained.

mrTree, let me say you and all the other UA bearers, keep our hope flame lighted still.
Thanks!

NOW it's time to concentrate all our efforts around Azaleach, Saga, Furuhjelm and the last systems the president visited. Really.

These, for example:

Both uninhabited systems on a rough line between azaleach and Furuhjelm I-645.
As far as I can see on the wiki, COL 285 sector pz-c B14-3 and HIP 35900 haven't had a UA test but I'm aware that the wiki isn't complete.

There was another post talking about a system exactly 75Ly from Azaleach, but I cannot find it...

 

[Grumbleweed]

There was another post talking about a system excatly 75Ly from Azaleach, but I cannot find it...

This one:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2615986&viewfull=1#post2615986

..but if I'm hunting I'm sticking to where I know they've been found before, its quite tedious enough already without risking that infinitesimally tiny chance any more, plus the UA systems aren't within the Halsey trip or even close, apart from the one you saw, but we don't know which system that was in, so we can't check.

Or are you suggesting there might be something other than a UA to find in these systems?

 

[Dommarraa]

This one:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2615986&viewfull=1#post2615986

..but if I'm hunting I'm sticking to where I know they've been found before, its quite tedious enough already without risking that infinitesimally tiny chance any more, plus the UA systems aren't within the Halsey trip or even close, apart from the one you saw, but we don't know which system that was in, so we can't check.

Or are you suggesting there might be something other than a UA to find in these systems?

As we are utterly clueless ATM, who knows. You might spot something. IMHO you will need a UA to trigger the next event (if any), but we might as well be looking around the area, a UA might well appear anyway.
I am fully behind the "hunt where they are known" theory, but am prepare to spend a few hours in a different zone in the hope it may increase my knowledge, maybe group knowledge

 

[clavain]

So, another hint that is not a hint here:

Are there items in game that the community hasn't found yet?
I don’t think so, however they have not unravelled the mysteries surrounding them all yet, and there will be evolutions coming in the CQC update and beyond.

This is sort of depressing too, do they really think exploration's core systems are solid as is? Sad.

Are there any plans to revamp exploration in general?
Not a revamp as the core system is solid, however we do intend to provide more things for explorers to encounter.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=171025

 

[rizal72]

This one:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2615986&viewfull=1#post2615986

..but if I'm hunting I'm sticking to where I know they've been found before, its quite tedious enough already without risking that infinitesimally tiny chance any more, plus the UA systems aren't within the Halsey trip or even close, apart from the one you saw, but we don't know which system that was in, so we can't check.

Or are you suggesting there might be something other than a UA to find in these systems?

Yes!

I mean, the UA bearers should concentrate in that region of space, doing things FSD related, while travelling from system to system.
Remeber that test regarding an FSD took down to 49% health? Supposing that the UA could "override" your FSD in some way.
Or simply travelling in that region, with UA in their hold, hoping for something weird to happen...

Then we have always that "explorer" test, going north of galaxy plane, with an UA in hold...

Remember that some FSD misjump related posts got rep from Kerrash and others...

 

[Grumbleweed]

I can't find a COL 285 Sector KI-R C5-7, not a sector k anything.

I did spend some hours yesterday in the Halsey area, but I got despondant quickly (saw nothing out of the ordinary either) so I came back to Timocani.

Edit: if the UA does have a function, it should work anywhere.

 

[Tallsword]

It has been mentioned that the UA makes 3 purrs at Themiscrya and 3 purrs when it has Sap 8 cores nearby... Has anyone tried to fulfill both at once? I expect it to make a different number of purrs at least.

 

[bitstorm]

the UA bearers should concentrate in that region of space, doing things FSD related, while travelling from system to system.

Aye was doing exactly this ~2 days ago, but was stymied by the Python switch, will be back experimenting with this tonight.

 

[Arcanonn]

So the Python issue..........Essentially when coming in to scoop the y-axis REVERSES at 11m. Down becomes up and up becomes down! You wouldn't necessarily notice unless you made an adjustment under that distance. I expect lots don't with 15m/s scoops.(

I can confirm this, had my python a good while now.....And Yep the axis reverse just before pick up....I'm used to it now.

thats a Python and only a Python.

Damn right, I've done 100's and 100's of SSS in mine which is very highly kitted out other than hull which I don't bother with for jump range.

I smack a few Condas round at once all the time, and don't think twice about taking on fights where I'm totally out numbered by just popping cells, I carry 2-3 banks and switch em on/off for power (I tend to go weakest target first if it's a wing)......To be honest I'm bored of the Python but nothing else comes close.

 

[rizal72]

It has been mentioned that the UA makes 3 purrs at Themiscrya and 3 purrs when it has Sap 8 cores nearby... Has anyone tried to fulfill both at once? I expect it to make a different number of purrs at least.

The only hugely different recording is the Sleipnir one, where 5 CMDRs where present, with Hafnium and Sap 8 in there holds, and all around as well.
That is the only interesting test we still have to reproduce, but it seems hard to do because of "logistics". Eventually it will be done soon...

Only in that recording we had 3 low purrs, constantly, and NO MORE bg noisy morse-like sound (VID8).

But my opinion is that, all of this was something FD made up for us to recognize better the chittering morse. Some kind of help made up in 1.3, because we were still wandering in the dark (Hafnium and Sap8 were added in 1.3, in fact).
So they added sap8 and hafnium to reduce UA noises to make the morse more audible.
BTW it has to be done.

 

[Dommarraa]

Some data. Probably of no value, but data nontheless

Took the Economic Route from FuruhjelmI-645 to Azerleach (distances to Azerleach):
BEI DOU SECTOR BV-Y B4 (108.92ly), Velux (104.8), GD146-60 (104.07), L 1687 (100.73), LHS 2205 (95.54), 37 Lyncis (89.18), 15 Ursae Majoris (84.90), Turna (83.10), Hyades Sector UV-K B9-2 (77.51), LP 123-75 (71.24), B'TITUS (65.83), 60 Lyncis (65.39), Lyncis Sector XZ-P B5-3 (50.84), Dharragense (45.08), Watiwati (37.87), HIP 29720 (33.16), Lalande 11206 (32.61), Lyncis Sector XU-P B5-0 (27.88), Lyncis Sector TO-R B4-1 (19.71), Yum Kaka (14.77), HIP 29974 (4.2)

Looking back on a Fastest Route, the systems that might be called approximatly 75ly from Azerleach are Mutumu, Honii, BD+58 1208. Others are nearer 70 or 80 or off the normal route, but not knowing the jump range makes it impossible to rule things in or out.

 

[rizal72]

Some data. Probably of no value, but data nontheless

Took the Economic Route from FuruhjelmI-645 to Azerleach (distances to Azerleach):
BEI DOU SECTOR BV-Y B4 (108.92ly), Velux (104.8), GD146-60 (104.07), L 1687 (100.73), LHS 2205 (95.54), 37 Lyncis (89.18), 15 Ursae Majoris (84.90), Turna (83.10), Hyades Sector UV-K B9-2 (77.51), LP 123-75 (71.24), B'TITUS (65.83), 60 Lyncis (65.39), Lyncis Sector XZ-P B5-3 (50.84), Dharragense (45.08), Watiwati (37.87), HIP 29720 (33.16), Lalande 11206 (32.61), Lyncis Sector XU-P B5-0 (27.88), Lyncis Sector TO-R B4-1 (19.71), Yum Kaka (14.77), HIP 29974 (4.2)

Looking back on a Fastest Route, the systems that might be called approximatly 75ly from Azerleach are Mutumu, Honii, BD+58 1208. Others are nearer 70 or 80 or off the normal route, but not knowing the jump range makes it impossible to rule things in or out.

Good!
Same thing should be done between Azaleach and Saga...

 

[Dommarraa]

Good!
Same thing should be done between Azaleach and Saga...

<whimpers> <sighs>

 

[knowles2]

Are there items in game that the community hasn't found yet?

I don’t think so, however they have not unravelled the mysteries surrounding them all yet, and there will be evolutions coming in the CQC update and beyond.

From the Dev questions.

 

[Tallsword]

The only hugely different recording is the Sleipnir one, where 5 CMDRs where present, with Hafnium and Sap 8 in there holds, and all around as well.
That is the only interesting test we still have to reproduce, but it seems hard to do because of "logistics". Eventually it will be done soon...

Only in that recording we had 3 low purrs, constantly, and NO MORE bg noisy morse-like sound (VID8).

But my opinion is that, all of this was something FD made up for us to recognize better the chittering morse. Some kind of help made up in 1.3, because we were still wandering in the dark (Hafnium and Sap8 were added in 1.3, in fact).
So they added sap8 and hafnium to reduce UA noises to make the morse more audible.
BTW it has to be done.

If you are right, then what is it's purpose? It reads out the name of the nearest celestial body, and that's it? Is the mystery solved?
I think there's more to it... Eliminating those sounds kind of feels like saying they have no other purpose than making the Morse less audible... (ignore this part... even I can only half-way understand what I'm trying to say here...)
Has it been tested for Capital ships? I've seen it was dropped near one, but did it say the capital ship's name or not? if it did, then it could truly recognize the wreck of SS1, giving it the purpose we can't see yet.

Ready the detective boots and gloves, we have one single week left.

 

[shapowitz]

Has anyone tried giving it to those guys from Technology Acquisitions inc that hang around in USS's

 

[who?]

So the Python issue.

I mean't to make a video last night and report as a bug, completely forgot so no video. I assume it's not just my Python!

Essentially when coming in to scoop the y-axis REVERSES at 11m. Down becomes up and up becomes down! You wouldn't necessarily notice unless you made an adjustment under that distance. I expect lots don't with 15m/s scoops.

Weird. I've been doing a lot of scooping (not talking about beer scooping, even though it's Friday) over the last few days in my Python, and haven't noticed this. Either it doesn't always happen, or I'm adjusting to it without even being aware of it.

 

[Arcanonn]

Weird. I've been doing a lot of scooping (not talking about beer scooping, even though it's Friday) over the last few days in my Python, and haven't noticed this. Either it doesn't always happen, or I'm adjusting to it without even being aware of it.

I think if you have it lined up right in the first place you would never notice, I tend to fly "casual". If scooping a UA i think I would be doing it very very very slowly/carefully!

 

[RedWizzard]

I can confirm this, had my python a good while now.....And Yep the axis reverse just before pick up....I'm used to it now.

Yep, it's a minor flaw. Remember me scooping all that palladium from you in my python? It was definitely harder and slower than the asp I used for other commanders but it was ok in the python and IIRC I only lost a couple of canisters.

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If you are right, then what is it's purpose? It reads out the name of the nearest celestial body, and that's it? Is the mystery solved?
I think there's more to it...

I'm 95% sure that someone from FD (probably Michael but maybe DB) said there was more to it after we figured out the morse.