[Proposal] shield generator overhaul Imperial Clipper

Rudolphus

Rudolphus
Dear Frontier,

I want to make a proposal to look in to the shield generator quality of the Clipper when you look at this you see something is not in line,
Also how fun is it when in every PVP battle you see always the same ships and you know before you go to battle you will pay insurance because it is not balanced well with no chance to win,

Anaconda A7, 595Mj, 51 Million
Python A6, 403Mj, 16 Million
FDL A5, 475Mj, 5 Million
Clipper A7, 308Mj, 51 Million
 
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Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
Federal Dropship 6A, 235 MJ: 16 million cr

Just sayin' some ships are just not made for shields, or combat at all.


Oh and by the way:

Clipper 6A, 265 MJ: 16 million cr
 
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Io_Sys

Io_Sys
  1. Clipper can outboost damn near everything.
  2. Stack SCBs, Boosters and chaff.

Aside from poor hardpoint placement you do realise that weak shields are the only downside it has?
 

Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
Io_Sys said:
Aside from poor hardpoint placement you do realise that weak shields are the only downside it has?
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To be fair:

- giant hitbox
- average manouverbility
- not the lightest ship
- bad weapon placements


That are the downsides I see but for this the clipper has giant internal space plus the unbelieveable speed. Fits for imperials, they mostly run :D
 

Brujah

Brujah
I think the 4MCr Vulture has better shields. It does seem low. I'd rather shields were a function of the hull mass and the rating/class of Shield Generator equipped, rather than an arbitrary value. Prices of ships could be adjusted to take that into account.
 

Apos

Apos
Brujah said:
I think the 4MCr Vulture has better shields. It does seem low. I'd rather shields were a function of the hull mass and the rating/class of Shield Generator equipped, rather than an arbitrary value. Prices of ships could be adjusted to take that into account.
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The 4M Cr Vulture doesn't reach 400-430 boost speeds and neither does the Python or the Anaconda.
 

Banjax

Banjax
if I interdict you in my combat Annie , all you have to do is boost away. and that is what all clipper pilots I've interdicted do. annie's hit hard, but they have the running speed of a continental shelf...an asthmatic one at that.

So if you stand and fight me, chances are you'll either die or be limping home....BUT the greatest gift the clipper has got is it's speed. it can get the hell out of dodge faster than anything its size. think the millennium falcon for scumbags ;) (sorry, i'm a fed lol.)
 
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Io_Sys

Io_Sys
Crimson Kaim said:
To be fair:

- giant hitbox
- average manouverbility
- not the lightest ship
- bad weapon placements


That are the downsides I see but for this the clipper has giant internal space plus the unbelieveable speed. Fits for imperials, they mostly run :D
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Okay, giant hitbox I'll grant you but average mobility?
Try flying the Python. It's like a flying brick. :D

Hell, even the FDL can't turn that well without judicious use of power pips, boost and thrusters.
 

ExRex

ExRex
You forgot about:

- very cheap compared to every other high-MJ ship above its weight class :)

Crimson Kaim said:
To be fair:

- giant hitbox
- average manouverbility
- not the lightest ship
- bad weapon placements


That are the downsides I see but for this the clipper has giant internal space plus the unbelieveable speed. Fits for imperials, they mostly run :D
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Bertrand Du Guesclin

Bertrand Du Guesclin
Rudolphus said:
Dear Frontier,

I want to make a proposal to look in to the shield generator quality of the Clipper when you look at this you see something is not in line,
Also how fun is it when in every PVP battle you see always the same ships and you know before you go to battle you will pay insurance because it is not balanced well with no chance to win,

Anaconda A7, 595Mj, 51 Million
Python A6, 403Mj, 16 Million
FDL A5, 475Mj, 5 Million
Clipper A7, 308Mj, 51 Million
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The Dropship has even weaker shields.
And it is less maneuverable.
And it has a top speed of about 200m/s with A grade thrusters and a combat setup.
And it has a top boost of 320m/s with A grade thrusters and a combat setup.
And it has less internals.

The Dropship advantages over a Clipper are : good hard point placement, and size of the internals (2 class 5 slots). That's it.

The Clipper has a LOT of advantages. Speed, cargo, maneuverability considering its size, number of internals to stack SCBs.
The downsides are the shield strenght, and the hardpoint placement.
 
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Poseidal

Poseidal
Cmdr Du Guesclin said:
The Dropship has even weaker shields.
And it is less maneuverable.
And it has a top speed of about 200m/s with A grade thrusters and a combat setup.
And it has a top boost of 320m/s with A grade thrusters and a combat setup.
And it has less internals.

The Dropship advantages over a Clipper are : good hard point placement, and size of the internals (2 class 5 slots). That's it.

The Clipper has a LOT of advantages. Speed, cargo, maneuverability considering its size, number of internals to stack SCBs.
The downsides are the shield strenght, and the hardpoint placement.
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It isn't really a fair comparison to compare something we all know has issues.

It's like if they released the T7 as a 'combat/multirole' and then say the Dropship is fine, because it compares well with the T7.
 

Bertrand Du Guesclin

Bertrand Du Guesclin
Poseidal said:
It isn't really a fair comparison to compare something we all know has issues.

It's like if they released the T7 as a 'combat/multirole' and then say the Dropship is fine, because it compares well with the T7.
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Yes I know, it's not a fair comparison. I only compared them because they are combat-oriented ships (as long as passengers and passengers missions are not ingame), with weak shields, purchasable at around 20 million, and unlocked are the same navy rank.

It's really hard to compare ships when they are so far appart, but it was just to put things into perspective. The Clipper does have a major advantage : enough speed to run away from everything.
 
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Thoemse

T
It's a multiroleship. Actually it is a multiroleship that is better than the similar priced T7 in it's only role.
If you make it's shields better it would also make it better in it's combat role where it is viable now - just not great.
The only two ships i onw right now are imperial clipper and imperial courier (i like their cockpits in VR) so i would benefit but i think the clipper would be too good with better shields. If i want to do bounty hunting PVE right now my best bet would be buying a vulture. If you boost my shields there would be no reason to.
 

Raf von Thorn

Raf von Thorn
Rudolphus said:
Yes you have proven mine point,

You only survive because you use 4 shield boosters, and stacked with A6, 2*A4, 2*A3 SCB.

I myself hate to use them and should not be like that,
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Well, if you cant be bothered to use a proper equipment, what gives you right to say "buff Clipper"? Dont you think it would be overpowered, if people would come up with good loadout?

Btw, its only 3 boosters. And its my friends channel. But if you watch videos on it, you will see that the Clipper may be a BEAST in right hands (people who use proper modules).

If you would hate using shields, would you go around saying "Vulture is too weak! I hate to use shields, it shouldnt be so weak without shields"? Would anyone treat you seriously?

Man up and fit your Clipper properly.
 
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