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RedWizzard

RedWizzard
LordZoltan said:
The Nav Beacons tap out the Morse for the system name don't they, even though they're right next to stars?

But yes, either way, I agree there's a stronger Morse link to Nav Beacons than the Voyagers - which was why I also like the idea that they could be 'delivery points' for some long distance jump tech: you arrive after a long jump, and can use the Morse to identify not only where you are galaxy-wise, but also within the system.

That said, if it's alien tech, then it's quite a coincidence that they use the same star catalogue for naming that we humans do... Unless that's just to keep things simple for us.
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I'm not sure whether the nav beacons report the system name or the name of the nearest star (will be the same in the case of single star systems anyway).

Agree about the issue of using the same star catalogue. Logically that suggests either human origin or a hybrid human/alien device (perhaps a modified nav beacon). But being a game, we have to also consider the possibility that FD didn't want to implement a second naming scheme for all the systems in the galaxy and just deployed some handwavium instead.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Allitnil said:
FWIW, back when they were easily findable, Voyager 2 was about 2.07m Ls from Sol, see for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzDFfkArh0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPYsYrGVIc

Voyager 1 was about 2.3m Ls from Sol, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxOQRcyisyY (50 seconds in for the distance)


From the second video above, you can see that the signal source (with no name) would appear in the HUD from over 2m Ls away. The "Ancient Probe" name only appeared when within 1,000 Ls.

Do SS's currently appear more than 1000 Ls away? I've only noticed them within that range but I've not tried looking at very high SC speeds.
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Thanks - yes I shouldn't rely on memory at this time in the morning - I've done the calculations twice now, and come up with around 2.1 and 2.3 - and I've watched those vids, too - so I should've double checked!

I've seen signal sources beyond 5kls before when booting along at 100c - the distance seems proportional to your speed; logically so, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to slow down ;)

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RedWizzard said:
You used to be able to see the Voyagers as targets in space even from right beside Sol and that doesn't work now. I'm not sure when they showed up in the nav panel and I never tried the ADS on them though. I think res/combat sites have always been visible only within 1kLs so that wouldn't be a changed mechanic itself, though maybe they changed it to apply to the Voyagers. That would be stupid though because it's basically impossible to stumble into a 1kLs radius of something after travelling 2MLs. If I've done the calculation correctly, you'd have to be aimed within 0.03 degrees of the correct direction, which on my 1440p monitor would mean you've have to aim at the exactly right pixel (based on a 90 degree FOV; I'm not sure if that's right). Also I think if this was an intentional change they would have said so on the bug.
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Excellent - that all makes sense - so the fact they don't appear any more on the list of targets implies they really have either gone (deliberately or not), or FD have changed the logic to stop them appearing to make them harder to find.

Fwiw, even if your calculations are not quite right - I reckon a pixel accuracy at that distance is probably an overestimate if anything. It would seem desperately unfair to require that level of accuracy from us either way!
 
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VR Mr Teatime

VR Mr Teatime
Morning all,

I was thinking about the UA's last night and wondered if anyone has taken 2 or more recordings from star systems along a roughly straight line from each other and analysed for differences in honk or purr frequency or even one of the decoded numbers (binary or otherwise) decreasing or increasing? My reasoning for this theory is that perhaps the UA is a directional indicator for a beacon or system somewhere other than its current location (a bit like an aircraft's radio navigation aids e.g. VORTAC or similar).

If the honks and purrs do change then perhaps the honks are "vertical" distance from the target system's location in relation to the galactic plane and the purrs are lateral distance?

Another reason I like this theory is that it would be totally in game solvable by one person and one UA, with basic sound analysis - the morse that has been found could be the most difficult part of the signal the UA emits and therefore we try even more elaborate things to match or exceed the level of decoding difficulty.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
RailBalco said:
cant find any audio file with UA blahbling, can someone point me to right direction?

RedWizzard:
it doesnt have to be answer to Voyager. As you said, Voyagers are very slow, compared to ED universe. So I guess if UA is a probe, it won't be answer to Voyagers. It can be more likely something like original probe. Creators could have simply same feelings and ideas as humans (to give another species prove they are not alone, and perhaps we can join each other) so they sent out these probes.
Still I don't think UA is a probe, since it decays in space... I still think it is supposed to stay on planets surface. Maybe remnants of some civilization? Or only surface probes to measure and send data?

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Just found bitstorms sig, thx man!!! +rep
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Other probes than the Voyagers were sent out. A lot of them had hyperspace capability. If they all had a golden disk onboard, who knows where they have gotten.

These aliens think we speak whale. That could be because the only intelligent message they found was in whale language or it could be the the language they decoded.

There is not a lot of whale sounds transmited into space.

Maybe these aliens know about us, but don't want to meet us.

Morse sound more whale than human because of the clicking.

Voyagers was just found by these guys in their search for whale transmitions. They kept them.

Are there any silly new age groups that transmits whale sounds in ED?

Edit: filter GalMap on theocracy? :) ?
 
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Tallsword

Tallsword
LordZoltan said:
With our vast variety of biscuits, I can't imagine why an alien would *not* want to meet us!

Good point about the other probes, btw :)
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No alien race could resist a good tinfoil wrapped biscuit.

Redwizard has a staff and a... Katana? That's my guess.

About some ideas... We never examined the UA sounds from really far away, right? What I'm trying to say... The wiki contains information about the UA disappearing after 800-900 meters sometimes. That's why I drew the conclusion that no one tried to listen to it from 1 kilometer, 3 kilometer afar... Well, if some1 stands next to the UA while the other commander flies away to 1 then 3 kilometer then the UA would be safe!

Expected optimistic results: the sound changes in some way.
Expected realistic results: nothing, but one more test biting the dust.
 
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oriklo

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http://goldenrecord.org/#discus-aureus
lets try to search some math on the UA.
maybe something is his voice or shape is releated to the place of origin, in the golden record, there is a map of the closest 14 polsars to sol and thier time of spining per sec.
what if there is something similar on the UA
 
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bitstorm

bitstorm
RedWizzard said:
I shot the hatch to get mine, but I guess you could say it still fell out. I was way too focused on the UA to notice what was happening in the chat at that point though.
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Aye but that would trigger an "attack" event and I'd then definitely expect the chatter to stop, and the "mission" to halt.

I'm thinking more the natural progression of the "mission" as created by Frontier....

Convoy carries hatch eating cargo, crew is talking about nothing but the UA.

They say...

"Transport checking in, status nominal, mission is still go" <= They are aware of their mission, they explicitly mention the "go" or stop state of the mission

"This mission succeeds, I guess we're all looking at promotions. Stay sharp. Transport out." <= The mission is important to the crew, stay sharp, BE AWARE

UA drops out of it's own accord, so what do they then say or do?


Frontier have created this event/scenario, it's scripted to some degree. I'm just wondering if the only "simple thing" we haven't done is let the scenario actually play out fully as an observer. ie weve been too focused on the UA all this time.

it drops...

"Oh crap the THARGOID PROBE fell out!"

I just find it hard to believe the crew who've talked of nothing but the probe DO NOT react to it being lost. Yes it's possible but by all rights they SHOULD, it should definitely be communicated to the rest of the convoy. And if it doesn't that's not because it's an "out there" theory, it's because the mission progression hasn't been scripted properly. (which unfortunately is quite possible)


Or if we want to theorise further...

UA falls out... 6 minutes later UA expires in front of the convoy, do they notice, they should! What is their reaction? It should really be something, I mean it's all they've been talking about, those promotions they were discussing are now out of the window. The VERY IMPORTANT mission is now a failure, the crew are in for a bollocking..

"WE'VE LOST THE ARTEFACT, HUDSON/SIRIUS CORP IS NOT GOING TO BE PLEASED"

or

"REPORT THE LOSS TO &##SystemName IMMEDIATELY"

i'm thinking it's a solution that seems to meet all the criteria of the hints weve had, it's simple and you'd be surprised it hadn't been found yet. It Frontier had came out and said that's the solution you'd be like, I can't believe we didn't get that. =(

The trouble of course the UAs are so rare that it's very difficult to resist the urge to grab it asap.

Ratking: I checked Wishblend's videos I can't see this having occurred on her Twitch as you suggested, I've pm'd her.

If anyone's seen or has evidence of the UA falling of on it's own and nothing happening it'd be great to rule the above out.
 
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knowles2

K
bitstorm said:
Aye but that would trigger an "attack" event and I'd then definitely expect the chatter to stop, and the "mission" to halt.

I'm thinking more the natural progression of the "mission" as created by Frontier....

Convoy carries hatch eating cargo, crew is talking about nothing but the UA.

They say...

"Transport checking in, status nominal, mission is still go" <= They are aware of their mission, and they are explicitly mention to "go" or stop state of the mission

"This mission succeeds, I guess we're all looking at promotions. Stay sharp. Transport out." <= The mission is important to the crew, stay sharp, be aware

UA drops out of it's own accord, so what do they then say or do?


Frontier have created this "event", it's scripted to some degree. I'm just wondering if the only "simple thing" we haven't done is let the scenario actually play out fully as an observer. ie weve been too focused on the UA all this time.

it drops...

"Oh crap the THARGOID PROBE fell out!"

I just find it hard to believe the crew who've talked of nothing but the probe DO NOT react to it being lost. Yes it's possible but by all rights they SHOULD, it should definitely be communicated to the rest of the convoy. And if it doesn't that's not because it's an "out there" theory, it's because the mission progression hasn't been scripted properly.


Or if we want to theorise further...

UA falls out... 6 minutes later UA expires in front of the convoy, do they notice, they should! What is their reaction? It should really be something, I mean it's all they've been talking about, those promotions they were discussing are now out of the window. The VERY IMPORTANT mission is now a failure, the crew are in for a bollocking..

"WE'VE LOST THE ARTEFACT, HUDSON/SIRIUS CORP IS NOT GOING TO BE PLEASED"

or

"REPORT THE LOSS TO &##SystemName IMMEDIATELY"

This just seems to me a simple scenario that seems to meet all the criteria of the hints weve had, it's simple and you'd be surprised it hadn't been found yet.

Ratking: I checked Wishblend's videos I can't see this having occurred on her Twitch, I've pm'd her.
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Make sense to me, we were told to listen, not what to listen to.
 

lo lobey

lo lobey
LordZoltan said:
The Nav Beacons tap out the Morse for the system name don't they, even though they're right next to stars?

But yes, either way, I agree there's a stronger Morse link to Nav Beacons than the Voyagers - which was why I also like the idea that they could be 'delivery points' for some long distance jump tech: you arrive after a long jump, and can use the Morse to identify not only where you are galaxy-wise, but also within the system.

That said, if it's alien tech, then it's quite a coincidence that they use the same star catalogue for naming that we humans do... Unless that's just to keep things simple for us.
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the john harper book mentions humans using "thargoid derived" technology. Given it looks alien but uses morse and "our" stellar/station names, i think its more likely connected to some kind of shadowy "organization" of humans instead of a "first contact" type of deal. I think humanity in the elite universe in 3301 is past that stage, and it would fit the events being played out in galnet.

in the book: (spoilers)
thargoid derived weapons are fitted to ships of a dark wheel offshoot faction that resides on soontill, an ancient thargoid "lost world"

my pet theory is that it is some kind of jump drive, with the chitter-morse being the present location and the other stuff being something like info of nearby reference stars that would make no sense to us. Thargoids have a much better understanding of witchspace than we do (i have no clue myself hehe :) ), maybe a jump through witchspace is not dimensioned simply point A > point B, maybe stellar classification plays a part to them. In the book it is mentioned that thargoids maybe would not know about dark systems (apparently neither do we hehe :) ) as their ships goes massive distances in a single jump.
It would, to me at least, just "fit" good with the remaining answer of the puzzle being (or conclusions made from) some kind of reference to the stellar data present in-game made by the simulator-generator-tool that FD put a lot of work into.

No obscure leonard nimoy reference. No special star name conjured from combinations of wikipedia, one particular aspect of the sound or look of the UA and multiple leaps of association (I am guilty of this myself :D). no whales



 

ilmostro

ilmostro
Has anyone ever got 2 or more UA together either in ship or close proximity in space?

If they are some kind of lifeform, something might happen?
 
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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
lo lobey said:
the john harper book mentions humans using "thargoid derived" technology. Given it looks alien but uses morse and "our" stellar/station names, i think its more likely connected to some kind of shadowy "organization" of humans instead of a "first contact" type of deal. I think humanity in the elite universe in 3301 is past that stage, and it would fit the events being played out in galnet.

in the book: (spoilers)
thargoid derived weapons are fitted to ships of a dark wheel offshoot faction that resides on soontill, an ancient thargoid "lost world"

my pet theory is that it is some kind of jump drive, with the chitter-morse being the present location and the other stuff being something like info of nearby reference stars that would make no sense to us. Thargoids have a much better understanding of witchspace than we do (i have no clue myself hehe :) ), maybe a jump through witchspace is not dimensioned simply point A > point B, maybe stellar classification plays a part to them. In the book it is mentioned that thargoids maybe would not know about dark systems (apparently neither do we hehe :) ) as their ships goes massive distances in a single jump.
It would, to me at least, just "fit" good with the remaining answer of the puzzle being (or conclusions made from) some kind of reference to the stellar data present in-game made by the simulator-generator-tool that FD put a lot of work into.

No obscure leonard nimoy reference. No special star name conjured from combinations of wikipedia, one particular aspect of the sound or look of the UA and multiple leaps of association (I am guilty of this myself :D). no whales
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I agree with a lot of this (hence the rep) but this is the thing - I reckon we've been round this circle a few times and got to similar conclusions, ruling out everything else we'd thought to get to that point. And if we've already dismissed the answer - it's possible we're dismissing it again by out-thinking ourselves!

I'm not criticising you - you understand.

There are reasons why aliens would use the same designations as us for systems - not necessarily hybrid tech, but hybrid culture from a prior contact. We won't know, I think, until it's solved, and so probably shouldn't rule anything out that's otherwise plausible. The conspiracy idea is definitely one of those things, too, for sure :)

Still think the UA needs to be taken on a close tour of some of the suspect systems and their bodies - e.g. Soontill, Sirius etc.

I think we really do need to rule out whether Voyagers are gone or not. There's something not right about that.

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ilmostro said:
Has anyone ever got 2 or more UA together either in ship or close proximity in space?

If they are some kind of lifeform, something might happen?
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Two, yes; three or more - not that I know of, no.
 

clavain

clavain
RedWizzard said:
You used to be able to see the Voyagers as targets in space even from right beside Sol and that doesn't work now. I'm not sure when they showed up in the nav panel and I never tried the ADS on them though. I think res/combat sites have always been visible only within 1kLs so that wouldn't be a changed mechanic itself, though maybe they changed it to apply to the Voyagers. That would be stupid though because it's basically impossible to stumble into a 1kLs radius of something after travelling 2MLs. If I've done the calculation correctly, you'd have to be aimed within 0.03 degrees of the correct direction, which on my 1440p monitor would mean you've have to aim at the exactly right pixel (based on a 90 degree FOV; I'm not sure if that's right). Also I think if this was an intentional change they would have said so on the bug.
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They used to show up as an unnamed target in the HUD at around 2 million ls IIRC. (ninja'd by Altinil)
 
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Murp

Murp
I'll just leave this here.

Historical flag, eh? Maybe it's the Thargoid-Human translator? Could it be translating the names of celestial objects? Or could my previous theory be right and it's a Thargoid FSD? Could it be that it's locking on to objects? Maybe the messages being in morse ties in with it being a translator?

Obviously all wild speculation, what do you guys think?
 

RedWizzard

RedWizzard
ilmostro said:
Has anyone ever got 2 or more UA together either in ship or close proximity in space?

If they are some kind of lifeform, something might happen?
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Wow, we didn't think of that in the last 10 weeks! Just kidding. When we did the first viewing I screwed up and let mine expire accidentally which triggered a cargo duplication bug that resulted in 5+ copies. So we had many in one place that night and I had 3 in my hold at one point. Nothing interesting was noted, other than that carrying multiple UAs does mean a lot of toxic cargo damage.
 

lo lobey

lo lobey
LordZoltan said:
I agree with a lot of this (hence the rep) but this is the thing - I reckon we've been round this circle a few times and got to similar conclusions, ruling out everything else we'd thought to get to that point. And if we've already dismissed the answer - it's possible we're dismissing it again by out-thinking ourselves!

I'm not criticising you - you understand.

There are reasons why aliens would use the same designations as us for systems - not necessarily hybrid tech, but hybrid culture from a prior contact. We won't know, I think, until it's solved, and so probably shouldn't rule anything out that's otherwise plausible. The conspiracy idea is definitely one of those things, too, for sure :)

Still think the UA needs to be taken on a close tour of some of the suspect systems and their bodies - e.g. Soontill, Sirius etc.

I think we really do need to rule out whether Voyagers are gone or not. There's something not right about that.
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Yeah i understand, this is truly a circle. When you think someone is behind you on the path, he could in fact be several laps ahead of you. :D

In the book,
soontill was destroyed tho :(
 
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