Why? Back in 1984 we had crappy gfx, sound, controllers etc so they had to have GOOD gameplay to make games worthwhile. Now we have amazing eye candy, funky sound, very cool controllers... AND NO GAMEPLAY WORTH SPEAKING OF. It's been said a million times... ED's a thousand miles wide and one inch deep. While noone's suggesting that we go back to wireframe graphics and PC Speaker beeps, there's a bunch that can be learned from looking at the gameplay of earlier eras to improve current games.
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Why? Back in 1984 we had crappy gfx, sound, controllers etc so they had to have GOOD gameplay to make games worthwhile. Now we have amazing eye candy, funky sound, very cool controllers... AND NO GAMEPLAY WORTH SPEAKING OF. It's been said a million times... ED's a thousand miles wide and one inch deep. While noone's suggesting that we go back to wireframe graphics and PC Speaker beeps, there's a bunch that can be learned from looking at the gameplay of earlier eras to improve current games.
I'm thinking about the insurance mechanic in this game since I started playing it. I'm not sure if the current insurance system is the best way to achieve the things I guess it tries to achieve. What follows are my thoughts on this topic so please add "in my opinion" and "I think" to everything that follows.
a) the insurance system is a way to prevent players from doing unwanted, stupid or to risky things
b) the insurance system adds the risk of having to go back the starter space ship
My main problem with the insurance system is, that it punishes the new player much harder than the player who already played for a long time. Playing Elite Dangerous a long time will result in a lot of credits on the bank and this will make the insurance system a slight annoyance, but it won't affect the player that much. In-game credits are a bad way to balance a game, especially if that game is already very grind heavy.
Additional unwanted effects - at least I think they are unwanted - of the insurance system is that it punishes the attacked harder than the attacker and it is an added bonus for the griefer.
My solution would be:
- keep insurance the way it is if the ship destruction is the result of NPCs or things the player did (hitting an object, self-destruct)
- add cargo insurance
two tier insurance: piracy and destruction. Piracy insurance would cover almost all cost of the cargo, destruction insurance only covers a small part. Piracy insurance could be adjusted to the security level of the system. (the abandon cargo system would have to be adjusted)
- remove the insurance system if the ship destruction is the result of the actions of an other player
All CMDRs are members of the Pilots Federation. The Pilots Federation (PF) pays the insurance cost for their members - IF the member who lost the ship was clean in the system the incident happened.
Those things will - I hope - have the following results:
- nothing much changes for players who play SOLO or in a PvE private group (nothing would change if the cargo insurance is part of the PF membership)
- players don't self-destruct if pirated by an other player as they would not get the insurance for the cargo
- players won't get less upset if they get destroyed by an other player as they won't get hurt that much
- players would be more willing to give real pirates cargo as the cargo is covered by the insurance
- players who kill just to make others feel bad would have less motivation to do so
I know it isn't the best solution, but it would be a start.
a) the insurance system is a way to prevent players from doing unwanted, stupid or to risky things
b) the insurance system adds the risk of having to go back the starter space ship
My main problem with the insurance system is, that it punishes the new player much harder than the player who already played for a long time. Playing Elite Dangerous a long time will result in a lot of credits on the bank and this will make the insurance system a slight annoyance, but it won't affect the player that much. In-game credits are a bad way to balance a game, especially if that game is already very grind heavy.
Additional unwanted effects - at least I think they are unwanted - of the insurance system is that it punishes the attacked harder than the attacker and it is an added bonus for the griefer.
My solution would be:
- keep insurance the way it is if the ship destruction is the result of NPCs or things the player did (hitting an object, self-destruct)
- add cargo insurance
two tier insurance: piracy and destruction. Piracy insurance would cover almost all cost of the cargo, destruction insurance only covers a small part. Piracy insurance could be adjusted to the security level of the system. (the abandon cargo system would have to be adjusted)
- remove the insurance system if the ship destruction is the result of the actions of an other player
All CMDRs are members of the Pilots Federation. The Pilots Federation (PF) pays the insurance cost for their members - IF the member who lost the ship was clean in the system the incident happened.
Those things will - I hope - have the following results:
- nothing much changes for players who play SOLO or in a PvE private group (nothing would change if the cargo insurance is part of the PF membership)
- players don't self-destruct if pirated by an other player as they would not get the insurance for the cargo
- players won't get less upset if they get destroyed by an other player as they won't get hurt that much
- players would be more willing to give real pirates cargo as the cargo is covered by the insurance
- players who kill just to make others feel bad would have less motivation to do so
I know it isn't the best solution, but it would be a start.
*Sigh*..
Open play = fun
Solo play = Fun
Groups = fun
at no point is anyone hiding. Just because they don't like open and you do doesn't mean their play style is wrong and yours is right.
Robert Maynard
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i can't dissagree with you there...in the early days of old consoles a game had to be good within a very small memory block, so the games had very good depth & gameplay.
These days with basically infinite memory available all games are lacking in depth & gameplay but all graphics & sounds.
Probably why this is the first game iv bought in years.
This thread is like V from V for Vendetta:
"Why. Won't. You. DIE!?"
"Why. Won't. You. DIE!?"
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Some posters are not happy with the status quo - requests for change will keep this thread (and, presumably, its successor) going ad infinitum.
I'm waiting for someone to blow themselves up under the Palace of Westminster!
man in a dress: "This is madness!"
muscular man with oiled skin and in very tight underwear: "THIS IS OPEN VS. SOLO!"
Self-destruction? That was already discussed somewhere in Mk II, or was it in some "Piracy" thread? I searched the galaxy map for "Palace of Westminster" and didn't find that system, but there is no reason why somebody wouldn't self-destruct there to make a point against piracy.
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Everything is awesome..
$36 for horizons? Awesome
[video=youtube;E4Kx-jqDgRo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Kx-jqDgRo[/video]
$36 for horizons? Awesome
[video=youtube;E4Kx-jqDgRo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Kx-jqDgRo[/video]
Let me correct that for you.
I do not HIDE in solo play because at the moment I see no POINT in open play.
-No cheat guard
-Peer-2-Peer server solution makes cheating simpler
-People who treat this game like CoD and shoot people just because they can for their own sense of satisfaction
-Badly designed crime and punishment system where basically all systems are Anarchy systems and bounties mean nothing
-All the danger is piled on victims and not agressors.
I like open PVE where I can co-operate with people so at best I would play in team play and unless SOME of the above points are fixed I see no point in open play.
And I did not back this game to be a FORCED MMO which some people think it should be.
You want open to be fun - help people to find open play FUN.
Not just open PVP but OPEN, as in ALL aspects of open play.
I do not HIDE in solo play because at the moment I see no POINT in open play.
-No cheat guard
-Peer-2-Peer server solution makes cheating simpler
-People who treat this game like CoD and shoot people just because they can for their own sense of satisfaction
-Badly designed crime and punishment system where basically all systems are Anarchy systems and bounties mean nothing
-All the danger is piled on victims and not agressors.
I like open PVE where I can co-operate with people so at best I would play in team play and unless SOME of the above points are fixed I see no point in open play.
And I did not back this game to be a FORCED MMO which some people think it should be.
You want open to be fun - help people to find open play FUN.
Not just open PVP but OPEN, as in ALL aspects of open play.
sorry i was out of line
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something to note here, there is a big difference between piracy for the goods in the hold of the cargo ship, then letting you fly away and killing for the fun of it {AKA griefing}
even thou i agree wholeheartedly with this idea, the structure of the internet protocol is not going to allow this to be an easy thing.
i'd rather see this done for griefers than for pirates.
Well your definition of griefers does not equate with the devs ideas of griefers...obviously.
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