Horizons: 64 bit only; DX11 only

Does the quality of graphics and gaming increase going from 32bit to 64bit?
I suppose so, because to a novice, just the numbers sound like an increase...like going from DX9 to DX 11 and 12.
There are several benefits from going 64-bit. Firstly a 64-bit operating system can use more than 4GB of memory in total, while a 32-bit OS is limited to 4GB (and as FalconFly noted, for reasons that are too technical to describe here often only 3.5 or 3.25GB of that is actually available for use). The second main benefit is the memory available to each program/game you run; 32-bit programs are limited to 2GB of memory. This is the case on both 32-bit and 64-bit OSs, so the current build of Elite Dangerous can't use more than 2GB no matter how much memory you have fitted or what version of Windows you have.

A 64-bit program can in theory access up to 16TB of memory, and in practice will let you use 128GB+ unless you are running the Home Premium version of Windows 7 which is limited to, I think, 16GB of memory in total.

This is the reason why games are going 64-bit so quickly now. The 2GB limitation on 32-bit is becoming a major pain, games have to keep loading in data from the hard drive while you're playing because there isn't enough memory to load it in advance. Stuttering, pauses, long loading times, and lacklustre texture detail in games are often down to the developers having to squeeze everything into that 2GB. And some features that developers want to do just can't fit in 2GB. Multiplatform games have particular issues here because the new consoles generally have 5-6GB of memory available for use, so keeping the PC build below 2GB can cause huge problems.

tl;dr - 64-bit is good and makes for better games. I'd expect the majority of high-profile games to be 64-bit only by the end of next year, so anyone still on 32-bit Windows is going to have lots of reasons to upgrade.
 
Awesome.. Lastly is $175 Canadian a good price..

THANKS EVERYONE. . price seems good to me I will grab it and soon hope to leave the XBONE side of ED and join the "DARK SIDE " OF pc ED

Seems quite cheap for that CPU, about £90. I'd check it comes with the heatsink if I were you or you'll need to buy one separately and some thermal grease. Maybe that's obvious to you, just thought I'd mention it.
 
Has there been any word lately on optimisations for those still having problems with stutter and freezing with well above reccomended specs?

While I dont have a great system myself, I was running ED at 120fps on high settings when I bought it. Since then the performance has been worse every update. Im sow stuggleing to maintain 45 fps with garbage settings and get eye strain from planetary rings and stations.

I really want to know if anything is being done about this problem. There is no way im upgrading since im well above minimum specs, and theres no way ill be purchasing Horizons of theres problems are not being sorted out.

Those playing the beta.. How have you found the optimisation? Is it improved at all?
 
Has there been any word lately on optimisations for those still having problems with stutter and freezing with well above reccomended specs?

While I dont have a great system myself, I was running ED at 120fps on high settings when I bought it. Since then the performance has been worse every update. Im sow stuggleing to maintain 45 fps with garbage settings and get eye strain from planetary rings and stations.

I really want to know if anything is being done about this problem. There is no way im upgrading since im well above minimum specs, and theres no way ill be purchasing Horizons of theres problems are not being sorted out.

Those playing the beta.. How have you found the optimisation? Is it improved at all?

I have a Higher end syste, SLI 980gtx. Get about 140 - 180fps everywhere. No Judder, however in the roids, there is a long pause that occurs are regular intervals (distance related) travel so far andd there is a HUGE pause like up to half a second. Many of us get it. It has been there since the games release but is currently Gone in the BETA. We are tentatively excited waiting to see if it is fixed due to code or just because we are on the beta servers.
 
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Question:

Should I upgrade my PC?

i3 3220 (3.30Ghz) (Dual core)
4 GB DDR3 RAM
NVidia GTX 650 (1GB)

Elite Dangerous runs just fine, should I upgrade to 8 GB RAM?!

Thank you! =)
 
There are several benefits from going 64-bit. Firstly a 64-bit operating system can use more than 4GB of memory in total, while a 32-bit OS is limited to 4GB (and as FalconFly noted, for reasons that are too technical to describe here often only 3.5 or 3.25GB of that is actually available for use). The second main benefit is the memory available to each program/game you run; 32-bit programs are limited to 2GB of memory. This is the case on both 32-bit and 64-bit OSs, so the current build of Elite Dangerous can't use more than 2GB no matter how much memory you have fitted or what version of Windows you have.

A 64-bit program can in theory access up to 16TB of memory, and in practice will let you use 128GB+ unless you are running the Home Premium version of Windows 7 which is limited to, I think, 16GB of memory in total.

This is the reason why games are going 64-bit so quickly now. The 2GB limitation on 32-bit is becoming a major pain, games have to keep loading in data from the hard drive while you're playing because there isn't enough memory to load it in advance. Stuttering, pauses, long loading times, and lacklustre texture detail in games are often down to the developers having to squeeze everything into that 2GB. And some features that developers want to do just can't fit in 2GB. Multiplatform games have particular issues here because the new consoles generally have 5-6GB of memory available for use, so keeping the PC build below 2GB can cause huge problems.

tl;dr - 64-bit is good and makes for better games. I'd expect the majority of high-profile games to be 64-bit only by the end of next year, so anyone still on 32-bit Windows is going to have lots of reasons to upgrade.

I would like to add that 64 bit gives you a larger address table, meaning that CPU can take larger chunks of information to process per cycle. When I try to explain 32 bit vs 64 bit to my students I usually tell them to think about 2 pipes, one small and one large.
 
Thanks - I dont know much about upgrading. WOuld if I could/did. Any website for a non techy you know of that can explain my options?

Would need to know your complete setup for that. If you're lucky, you can just switch the GPU down the line. Btw I read you have an HD5700 series. Is it a 5750 or a 5770?
 
Question:

Should I upgrade my PC?

i3 3220 (3.30Ghz) (Dual core)
4 GB DDR3 RAM
NVidia GTX 650 (1GB)

Elite Dangerous runs just fine, should I upgrade to 8 GB RAM?!

Thank you! =)

Your CPU is a bit underpowered, graphics card a bit underpowered. Will definitely need more RAM. Just my opinion, I'd seek others!
 
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That still gives us over 8000 PC users on WIN32. Admittedly not all will be going for season 2, but from what DB has said the season 1 release has its days numbered as a 32BIT version.

Play your way
GL

Maybe a few of those 8000 are thinking it's a good reason to finally get round to upgrading/replacing an older machine; "turns out my PC just can't run the latest software and I have to upgrade darling" ��
 
I have a Higher end syste, SLI 980gtx. Get about 140 - 180fps everywhere. No Judder, however in the roids, there is a long pause that occurs are regular intervals (distance related) travel so far andd there is a HUGE pause like up to half a second. Many of us get it. It has been there since the games release but is currently Gone in the BETA. We are tentatively excited waiting to see if it is fixed due to code or just because we are on the beta servers.

OK, now I am actually a little excited. Since it started getting bad, ive only come back to the game long enough to see if the latest batch of drivers has helped aand to OC the :):):):) outta my machine as if it will magically help this time. Then I get fed up with the eye strain and constant tweaaking and I give it in for another couple months.

This is good news. Even if you are not having the same constant stutter im getting, even just the stupidly long screen freeze being gone might mean there is progress at least. Id love to hear from someone with constant stutter issues and see how the beta is handling, but I know alot of those ppl are probly like me and not really playing.

Im so badly hoping for it to be fixed with this update, I really want to get back into the game.
 
I thought I was the only one on the planet with a 2600k - which has worked nicely for 5 years odd...

Tbh I will eat my hat if my 2500k even struggles with horizons..... Not that it really matters. After nearly 5 years service it is getting time to upgrade and migrate the trusty sandybridge to my arcade. Even now tho its not my cpu holding me back but lack of sli support and too few usb3
 
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Question:

Should I upgrade my PC?

i3 3220 (3.30Ghz) (Dual core)
4 GB DDR3 RAM
NVidia GTX 650 (1GB)

Elite Dangerous runs just fine, should I upgrade to 8 GB RAM?!

Thank you! =)

On general principles I'd have to say "yes". However the only way to be sure is to run the game on the hardware and see if you're happy with it. If you did upgrade, I'd say increase the RAM to 8GB and get a better graphics card (maybe at least a GTX750ti? - I don't know how good your PSU is, but the best GPU you can get). It wouldn't cost a fortune, really. Hang around ebay looking for used parts, if you need to squeeze every penny.

The CPU is only dual core, so is underpowered according to specs. But that often doesn't much matter for games.
 
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I am in the unfortunate position of using an older high end laptop (Core i7) for Elite Dangerous and the GPU only has Direct X10 hardware features. Running 64 bit Win 7 with 6GB RAM so ok from that point of view. Since the GPU is soldered on I've had to build a new PC for Horizons, so not that happy. Tried to do it as cheaply as possible just to see what could be done.
I went with an AMD A10-7870K APU coupled with a Radeon R7 250 graphics card so it can do AMD dual graphics, poor mans Crossfire between the APU GPU and the card. Seems to be working fine on ED 1.4 more than twice the performance I was getting with my laptop. Cheap as chips. A low end Intel solution with a Nvidia GTX 750Ti would likely be bit faster but would have been a couple of hundred bucks more.

If your motherboard supports it, the R7 graphics in the APU can be overclocked to good effect.

To be honest. I went with this setup for a while, but I actually found the inbuilt GPU did a surprisingly good job on it's own and the dual-graphics setup caused some minor issues, so I went back to using just the APU setup. 2400Mhz RAM makes quite a difference, assign 2gb of 8gb system total to Graphics and it's a pretty amazingly cheap gaming rig.

I did eventually fit an R9 270. It's better, but actually i'm still impressed with how well the APU did on it's own. Unfortunately AMD's marketing has been egregious. It isn't a high-end gaming solution, it's a cheap way to get into the PC gaming...um... game... Allowing you to build a gaming PC for the price of a console...
 
guys do i have to upgrade to windows 10 before horizons hits? for the dx12 stuff?...im currently on 8.1
3 times i have installed win 10 using the friendly pop up when i boot,every time it works on the first boot,but second time around no folders display when opened or anything,baffles me
 
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