UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

[glojo]

About 160 in the span of 24 hours ending today about 17:00 GMT.

What a joke... I guess you took part in that operation?? I think not as your numbers bear no relation to what really happened.

Facts
Ships attacked Harma in OPEN play.

Fact
Archon Delaine troops defended in OPEN play and played very well. MUCH respect to them and respect to every Archon player that tried to take on the attacking forces. The fight was bought to your home turf and I guess you had home advantage.

HUGE respect to the attacking forces who possibly also suffered losses and respect goes again to those forces as they could so easily have sneaked in and out in private or Solo play.

Do Archon respect that style of play or would they prefer to be attacked by those that only use Solo or Private play?

Should Power Play be played in open as this gives both defenders and attackers the opportunity to influence the game.

 

[AlexVII]

Possibly the EDC vanguard or other "law enforcement" style player groups, mercenaries, etc?

Yes, but not only by force (although it can be used as a defense), but with transportation, experiments, expeditions and bakery supplies too.

Edit: Just read about the "Operation" and help offer. That's what I meant.

 

[Han_Zen]

A little secret for all you Imps.

I have historical sources indicating that the blue haired princess is not the daugther of Prince Harry, but rather the late Emperor him self.
This has been hidden from the public because her mother was a federal citizen.

You probably have the wrong Emperor.

 

[GilliganTX]

What a joke... I guess you took part in that operation?? I think not as your numbers bear no relation to what really happened.

Facts
Ships attacked Harma in OPEN play.

Fact
Archon Delaine troops defended in OPEN play and played very well. MUCH respect to them and respect to every Archon player that tried to take on the attacking forces. The fight was bought to your home turf and I guess you had home advantage.

HUGE respect to the attacking forces who possibly also suffered losses and respect goes again to those forces as they could so easily have sneaked in and out in private or Solo play.

Do Archon respect that style of play or would they prefer to be attacked by those that only use Solo or Private play?

Should Power Play be played in open as this gives both defenders and attackers the opportunity to influence the game.

Commander, please keep accusations and inflamitory language to a miniumum within the confines of this thread. It is intended for research only, not non-Canonn faction grievances. If you would like to dispute the claims of The White Templar commanders you are welcome to do so and we would be greatly interested to hear you testimony regarding the events surrounding Operation Shutdown and the subsequent interruption of Station Services in the Harma system.

 

[Kyp Shard]

Yeah we have been falling into the correlation as causation rut with this one, but it's hard to see much of the forest from this particular tree.

What would you suggest?

Well this below looks like a good place to start, as others have already said.

CMDRs,

Has anyone analyzed the sounds of malfunctioning stations?

GBob

That and just going back to 1st principles and analysing the affected stations in general, comparing them to unaffected ones.

Greetings Gentlemen

we will follow your advice and have stopped Sir

Thank you CMDR o7

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This is getting very interesting

Seriously though - it's almost certainly not just you guys, I can imagine tens, possibly hundreds of groups doing this right now... What a bloody mess!

Aaand then there's that.

The Galnet could be reflecting the surge in powerplay misuse of UA sales after all.

I did try to warn about this when going "public" about any UA correlation with station malfunction was getting discussed. Oh well. Mankind eh? First sign of a link and it's "oh let's break stuff"

Its encouraging that CMDR Noast promised us to stop. Perhaps we should send ambassadors to other groups and ask them nicely to follow this fine example.

I wouldn't be at all surprised at an expletive response though, but we can try.

Back to my earlier suggestion of dropping the UA correlation assumption and starting afresh for a moment: it seems to me that the Galnet was urging us to work it out soon and that suggests that perhaps we haven't yet and UA sales is not the cause. It may be a prod to get our puzzle solving heads back in the game. Having said that though - the whole Heike tea from Cerberus just didn't make any puzzle solving sense at all.

So in conclusion, I suggest ambassadors to ask for cessation of tactical sales. More experiments selling rares, sap8, hafnium etc to Bond to see if anything, ANYTHING fixes it no matter how handvawiumly illogical. Fresh analysis of the affected stations. And tea. Tea goes with biscuits, and I'm in the mood for dunking biscuits.

And as for selling rares etc, we need to do it BIG TIME, not just 1 or 2 of each. It'll take a sustained coordinated effort of the kind people have been doing to break stuff.

 

[CMDR Byr Goefin]

What a joke... I guess you took part in that operation?? I think not as your numbers bear no relation to what really happened.

Easy there buddy, Kaffe is a Templar and he was part of the operation. I can't confirm or deny his numbers, only Noast has the numbers, and I was too busy keeping the locals busy to pay attention to what the Transport Wing was doing. =)

 

[Patau82]

Wolf 1301 is run by an xbox player faction maybe they've been selling UAs there or were targeted
Wolf 1301 used to sell the rare commodity wolf fesh, it was blocked by a Democracy faction that took the system a few months back and is now being blocked by the player faction as they are Democracy too

 

[GilliganTX]

Well this below looks like a good place to start, as others have already said.



That and just going back to 1st principles and analysing the affected stations in general, comparing them to unaffected ones.



Thank you CMDR o7



Aaand then there's that.

The Galnet could be reflecting the surge in powerplay misuse of UA sales after all.

I did try to warn about this when going "public" about any UA correlation with station malfunction was getting discussed. Oh well. Mankind eh? First sign of a link and it's "oh let's break stuff"

Its encouraging that CMDR Noast promised us to stop. Perhaps we should send ambassadors to other groups and ask them nicely to follow this fine example.

I wouldn't be at all surprised at an expletive response though, but we can try.

Back to my earlier suggestion of dropping the UA correlation assumption and starting afresh for a moment: it seems to me that the Galnet was urging us to work it out soon and that suggests that perhaps we haven't yet and UA sales is not the cause. It may be a prod to get our puzzle solving heads back in the game. Having said that though - the whole Heike tea from Cerberus just didn't make any puzzle solving sense at all.

So in conclusion, I suggest ambassadors to ask for cessation of tactical sales. More experiments selling rares, sap8, hafnium etc to Bond to see if anything, ANYTHING fixes it no matter how handvawiumly illogical. Fresh analysis of the affected stations. And tea. Tea goes with biscuits, and I'm in the mood for dunking biscuits.

And as for selling rares etc, we need to do it BIG TIME, not just 1 or 2 of each. It'll take a sustained coordinated effort of the kind people have been doing to break stuff.

Agreed. We need to coordinate Ears on an affected station, perhaps before and after Mass-Rare-Sales at chosen stations?


I am also on-board with having ambassadors to different player groups urging for and end to all UA sales for any reasons other than research.

 

[Kyp Shard]

Really interesting indeed.

1) This operation about Harma puts the word "end" above our speculations about the UA being the cause, almost turning it into a FACT (99%).
2) what still does not turn it 100% into a FACT are the 200 UA sold by Jmanis in an undisclosed station, unleast it is Wolf 1301.

Jmanis?

Exactly. Interesting indeed. Lets assume nothing

 

[clavain]

Commander, please keep accusations and inflamitory language to a miniumum within the confines of this thread. It is intended for research only, not non-Canonn faction grievances. If you would like to dispute the claims of The White Templar commanders you are welcome to do so and we would be greatly interested to hear you testimony regarding the events surrounding Operation Shutdown and the subsequent interruption of Station Services in the Harma system.

Plus, really, who cares about Powerplay? If this becomes a Powerplay thing I am done with this game. And this time I mean it. They can take their lame missions and lack of content Horizons and stick it up their grindy merits-hole.

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

I have just sold a batch of rare commodities at Bond Hub. This was not because I thought that they might be the cure themselves but rather to help the scientists working on a cure. People working to a deadline need caffeine, hence my choice of rares:
Void Extract Coffee (15t)
Any Na Coffee (10t)
CD-75 Kitten Brand Coffee (2t)
Fujin Tea (3t)
Arouca Conventual Sweets (2t)
Havasupai Dream Catcher (1t, yes - 600kls journey and I only get a 1t allocation!)
I had not read @Kyp Shard's post before doing this; it was just on my mind that if we are unable to find the cure ourselves then maybe we could do something to help the in-game scientists at Bond Hub make progress.

 

[Kyp Shard]

Agreed. We need to coordinate Ears on an affected station, perhaps before and after Mass-Rare-Sales at chosen stations?


I am also on-board with having ambassadors to different player groups urging for and end to all UA sales for any reasons other than research.

Not just ears though. Eyes too. Anything could be a clue, anything.

 

[Patau82]

Agreed. We need to coordinate Ears on an affected station, perhaps before and after Mass-Rare-Sales at chosen stations?


I am also on-board with having ambassadors to different player groups urging for and end to all UA sales for any reasons other than research.

getting them to help with research would be great to
the Canonn's got a galaxy to save we need to double our efforts
.
Has the community just created an end of season finally?

 

[simulacrae]

As a test a couple days ago - I flew around to the affected stations and looked at trade data - I was unable to find any specific links - even to stations that are relatively close to each other. I was hoping to see a pattern in the "Other" category - either coming from a particular type of system or maybe even a certain corporation - seriously ! But didn't find smoking gun


Warky/Arawere

Spoiler

To be honest I thought I saved more screen shots ... but oh well

49 Arietis does all its trade with 64 Arietis whose only other trading partner is Morowari (Edit - there is no sirius faction here)

Ngalia (trade with pic tok) is home to a Sirius Faction ... (But also a player adopted one i understand) So while I didnt see any obvious trading links - I am leaning towards player influence (handcrafted by FD). Will play some more with this when have time

 

[Jmanis]

Really interesting indeed.

1) This operation about Harma puts the word "end" above our speculations about the UA being the cause, almost turning it into a FACT (99%).
2) what still does not turn it 100% into a FACT are the 200 UA sold by Jmanis in an undisclosed station, unleast it is Wolf 1301.

Jmanis?

Nope. Wolf 1301 is not my station. Time for plan B

 

[Kyp Shard]

As a test a couple days ago - I flew around to the affected stations and looked at trade data - I was unable to find any specific links - even to stations that are relatively close to each other. I was hoping to see a pattern in the "Other" category - either coming from a particular type of system or maybe even a certain corporation - seriously ! But didn't find smoking gun


Warky/Arawere

Spoiler

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To be honest I thought I saved more screen shots ... but oh well

49 Arietis does all its trade with 64 Arietis whose only other trading partner is Morowari - Home to a Sirius Faction ... (But also a player adopted one i understand) So while I didnt see any obvious trading links - I am leaning towards player influence (handcrafted by FD). Will play some more with this when have time

You may have uncovered something. Warky and Arawere have direct trade between them and so does 49 and 64 Arietis. Are the other affected stations trade paired like this?

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I have just sold a batch of rare commodities at Bond Hub. This was not because I thought that they might be the cure themselves but rather to help the scientists working on a cure.
I had not read @Kyp Shard's post before doing this; it was just on my mind that if we are unable to find the cure ourselves then maybe we could do something to help the in-game scientists at Bond Hub make progress.

That's good reasoning, and a viable handwavium mechanism right there

o7

 

[irongut]

I'm not trying to point fingers, or agree/disagree with the accusations made in the thread. Only posting for relevance to current discussions regarding The Canonns response to UA sales and station disruptions/shutdowns.

I didn't think you were. I was just adding my tuppence worth and pointing out I didn't know if the accusations were true or not; now we know they were.

An interesting development that unfortunately doesn't tie in with my theory but I still think Delaine is the most likely figure to have increased the Black Market price.

 

[GilliganTX]

Not just ears though. Eyes too. Anything could be a clue, anything.

Copy, agreed Commander. I do not have ability to record video, but I'll see what I can do.

getting them to help with research would be great to
the Canonn's got a galaxy to save we need to double our efforts
.
Has the community just created an end of season finally?

Good call. Should we begin writing an official Canonn Press-Release calling for an end to all UA sales for any purpose other than research? CMDR AlexVII has been making suggestions regarding getting other player groups involved. I'm still not sure what roles are there to be filled, but would encourage discussion regarding it.




Yeah, hey, quite a send off.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

As a test a couple days ago - I flew around to the affected stations and looked at trade data - I was unable to find any specific links - even to stations that are relatively close to each other. I was hoping to see a pattern in the "Other" category - either coming from a particular type of system or maybe even a certain corporation - seriously ! But didn't find smoking gun


Warky/Arawere

Spoiler

View attachment 85850

To be honest I thought I saved more screen shots ... but oh well

49 Arietis does all its trade with 64 Arietis whose only other trading partner is Morowari - Home to a Sirius Faction ... (But also a player adopted one i understand) So while I didnt see any obvious trading links - I am leaning towards player influence (handcrafted by FD). Will play some more with this when have time

Is it Sirius inc.? Because out of interest, I think it was that faction that's been bad mouthing Canonn research over on Reddit... so you might be on to something here

 

[Han_Zen]

Wolf 1301 is run by an xbox player faction maybe they've been selling UAs there or were targeted
Wolf 1301 used to sell the rare commodity wolf fesh, it was blocked by a Democracy faction that took the system a few months back and is now being blocked by the player faction as they are Democracy too

Well - if Wolf 1301 isn't Jmains's secret location and the Imps were able to affect the Hama station at 160 units (before going public), I think we should start to think about immunity.

If it turns out that some stations are immune, then we
may find a lead to a cure.