They already commented a short while ago saying it was a mistake on their part and that they did *not* land on Merope 3A.
UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn
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They already commented a short while ago saying it was a mistake on their part and that they did *not* land on Merope 3A.
The fact these missions exist is exceptionally interesting - totally indicative that Meta-Alloys are potentially important.
That said, the same was thought about SAP8 cores, and they're ultimately as interesting as cardboard...
Sorry, I didn't check. I only realised I had something interesting a few minutes after I accepted, which is why I'm not able to be as precise on details as I would like to be.
My ranks are Expert/Merchant/Pioneer, which gives us upper limits on rank requirements.
It's also worth saying that the place I think I got it is a surface station (I was visiting a bunch of high-tech systems looking for a place to source Emergency Shelters. Try Tellus if you're working on the CG!)
Where else might it be worth looking? I'm the UA Shell and will try a few different systems. Merope, clearly. Any other ideas?
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Again: You have checked the map for a target marker? (as this is usual for a lot of missions)
Thanks!
Good idea, but no, there is no target marker for the mission on the galaxy map.
If you want to see the depth in the series, check out the twitter page, which adds to the lore and gives both the Marble Hornits bids and the Totheark vids in chronological order. Be warned: this can be an even bigger rabbit hole than the uas
Noticed the UA doesn't degrade when you drop it from a Buggy btw. ANyone else noticed that? And you can hear thefrom far away too.
Really? I thought that was a bug.
Regarding selling a bunch of UAs at a station and having nothing happen and FD's comment that they monitor the system for activity.
As a database guy in real life, are they counting number of UAs sold or number of transactions in which UAs are sold? If I sell 200 UAs 20 at a time then that is only 10 transactions, whereas if I sell 20 UAs 1 at a time that is 20 transactions. I'd hate to think that we're getting confused by a bad query. (I see that kind of thing all the time...)
As a database guy in real life, are they counting number of UAs sold or number of transactions in which UAs are sold? If I sell 200 UAs 20 at a time then that is only 10 transactions, whereas if I sell 20 UAs 1 at a time that is 20 transactions. I'd hate to think that we're getting confused by a bad query. (I see that kind of thing all the time...)
Could be, I didn't look it up.
Experiment 1: Does the Unknown Artifact provide any type of Discovery/Surface scanner functionality to the ship navigation computer?
So some pages back one person mentioned they were able to scan bodies without an ADS fitted, but with a UA onboard. Another person said they were unable to scan bodies with neither onboard. Another person said they were able to scan bodies with neither onboard. I decided to test this thoroughly to find the conditions needed that explain the three different accounts. This information may have already been known, but I had a good time experimenting and verifying the facts.
Control tests with no Unknown Artifact
In an Imperial Courier ship with ADS and Detailed Surface Scanner fitted, used ADS "honk" on Arietis Sector TJ-Q B5-4 System.
Then obtained Detailed Surface scans of star "A" and planets "A 3" & "A 3 A"
Left all other bodies unscanned.
Travelled to Ray Gateway, Diaguandri.
Purchased ASP Explorer, storing old ship.
Sold stock BDS, left other modules as stock. Sensors stock "E 5", optimal range 4.64km
Test 1: Can "Discovered" but "Unexplored" bodies be scanned and resolved to a name with no DS fitted?
Returned to Arietis Sector TJ-Q B5-4 System.
Targeted "unexplored" planet A1.
Approached, scan began as normal at around 55ls distance. Obviously not a detailed surface scan, but it resolved the name.
Results: Postive, "Discovered" but "Unexplored" bodies can be scanned without a Discovery Scanner fitted.
Test 2: Can a planet be scanned and resolved in a fresh unexplored system, where no DS "honk" has been performed, with no DS fitted?
Headed directly to nearby completely unscanned Arietis Sector TJ-Q B5-3 System.
Found a planet the hard way.
Approached, no detection, not targetable or scannable even up to and after reaching the "Dropping, too close" point.
Planet did not appear on radar.
Results: Negative, undiscovered bodies can not be targetted or scanned without a Discovery Scanner fitted.
Test 3: What about trying Test 2 with A Grade Sensors
Went to Davis Gateway, purchased "A 5" Sensors, optimal range 6.96km.
Returned to Arietis Sector TJ-Q B5-3 System.
Found a planet the hard way.
Ended up at a different planet this time, a landable one.
Still unable to target or scan, even on approach and landing.
Planet did not appear on radar.
Results: Negative, undiscovered bodies can not be targetted or scanned without a Discovery Scanner fitted, even with A Grade Sensors.
Explorative tests with Unknown Artifact on board
Returned to Ray Gateway, Diaguandri
Purchased A grade ADS (and also fully kitted out the ASP explorer with fuel scoop, AFM unit, vehicle bay, cargo and warrant scanner etc).
Did not fit a Detailed Surface Scanner.
Went to Wolf 221. Found my first ever Unknown Artifact.
Promptly accidentally boosted into it and destroyed it. I really hope this doesn't mean I'm now on a "list".
Out to supercruise and found another.
Test 4: Does the Unknown Artifact provide Detailed Surface Scanner functionality?
Jumped through various systems, heading back towards the bubble.
Scanned stars and planets in numerous systems on the way.
All scans were basic scans.
Results: Negative, carrying a UA with an ADS does not provide Detailed Surface Scanner functionality.
Travelled to Tall Enterprise, Ngalia.
Interdicted in Ngalia, but won the mini-game.
I note that the toxic corrosion messages continue whilst docked although no additional damage seems to occur. Is this normal behaviour?
Sold ADS at Tall Enterprise.
Travelled to unscanned HIP 17412.
Interdicted, lost the mini-game. Bounty scanned assailant and destroyed them, but received no bounty. Is this something unusual or is there always a chance to get no bounty?
Test 5: Does the Unknown Artifact provide Discovery Scanner functionality?
Found a planet the hard way.
Another landable planet.
Unable to select, scan or identify the planet, even on approach and landing.
Planet did not appear on radar.
Results: Negative, the Unknown Artifact does not provide Discovery Scanner functionality.
Landed, transferred UA to SRV.
SRV also experiences toxic corrosion.
Dropped UA from SRV. No degradation of UA health as previously found by other CMDRs.
UA does not point to Merope, but this would be understandably difficult due to terrain and gravity.
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Travelled to Serling Town, Ngalia. Planetary outpost.
Repaired, sold exploration data and sold UA for 271,654.
tldr; The Unknown Artifact does not provide Discovery Scanner functionality. However, if you have used a Discovery Scanner to "honk" a system, but not scanned the planets, you can scan them without a Discovery Scanner onboard, regardless of whether a Unknown Artifact is present.
New Theories on Station Problems
Some have asked what if it is not just selling UAs that cause the problems?
What if it is repairing UA damaged ships that causes station malfunctions to begin? (Replaced ship panels or tools used cause the corrosion to spread?) Do/did all affected stations have repair facilities?
What if it is selling exploration data from a UA affected ship that "infects" stations? Difficult to verify this one.
So some pages back one person mentioned they were able to scan bodies without an ADS fitted, but with a UA onboard. Another person said they were unable to scan bodies with neither onboard. Another person said they were able to scan bodies with neither onboard. I decided to test this thoroughly to find the conditions needed that explain the three different accounts. This information may have already been known, but I had a good time experimenting and verifying the facts.
Control tests with no Unknown Artifact
In an Imperial Courier ship with ADS and Detailed Surface Scanner fitted, used ADS "honk" on Arietis Sector TJ-Q B5-4 System.
Then obtained Detailed Surface scans of star "A" and planets "A 3" & "A 3 A"
Left all other bodies unscanned.
Travelled to Ray Gateway, Diaguandri.
Purchased ASP Explorer, storing old ship.
Sold stock BDS, left other modules as stock. Sensors stock "E 5", optimal range 4.64km
Fitted mandatory David Braben bobblehead.
I also completely wrapped my ship in tinfoil, but didn't want to look crazy, so I gave it a second outer wrapping of Christmas paper.
I also completely wrapped my ship in tinfoil, but didn't want to look crazy, so I gave it a second outer wrapping of Christmas paper.
Returned to Arietis Sector TJ-Q B5-4 System.
Targeted "unexplored" planet A1.
Approached, scan began as normal at around 55ls distance. Obviously not a detailed surface scan, but it resolved the name.
Results: Postive, "Discovered" but "Unexplored" bodies can be scanned without a Discovery Scanner fitted.
Test 2: Can a planet be scanned and resolved in a fresh unexplored system, where no DS "honk" has been performed, with no DS fitted?
Headed directly to nearby completely unscanned Arietis Sector TJ-Q B5-3 System.
Found a planet the hard way.
Approached, no detection, not targetable or scannable even up to and after reaching the "Dropping, too close" point.
Planet did not appear on radar.
Results: Negative, undiscovered bodies can not be targetted or scanned without a Discovery Scanner fitted.
Test 3: What about trying Test 2 with A Grade Sensors
Went to Davis Gateway, purchased "A 5" Sensors, optimal range 6.96km.
Returned to Arietis Sector TJ-Q B5-3 System.
Found a planet the hard way.
Ended up at a different planet this time, a landable one.
Still unable to target or scan, even on approach and landing.
Planet did not appear on radar.
Explorative tests with Unknown Artifact on board
Returned to Ray Gateway, Diaguandri
Purchased A grade ADS (and also fully kitted out the ASP explorer with fuel scoop, AFM unit, vehicle bay, cargo and warrant scanner etc).
Did not fit a Detailed Surface Scanner.
Went to Wolf 221. Found my first ever Unknown Artifact.
Promptly accidentally boosted into it and destroyed it. I really hope this doesn't mean I'm now on a "list".
Out to supercruise and found another.
Test 4: Does the Unknown Artifact provide Detailed Surface Scanner functionality?
Jumped through various systems, heading back towards the bubble.
Scanned stars and planets in numerous systems on the way.
All scans were basic scans.
Results: Negative, carrying a UA with an ADS does not provide Detailed Surface Scanner functionality.
Travelled to Tall Enterprise, Ngalia.
Interdicted in Ngalia, but won the mini-game.
I note that the toxic corrosion messages continue whilst docked although no additional damage seems to occur. Is this normal behaviour?
Sold ADS at Tall Enterprise.
Travelled to unscanned HIP 17412.
Interdicted, lost the mini-game. Bounty scanned assailant and destroyed them, but received no bounty. Is this something unusual or is there always a chance to get no bounty?
Test 5: Does the Unknown Artifact provide Discovery Scanner functionality?
Found a planet the hard way.
Another landable planet.
Unable to select, scan or identify the planet, even on approach and landing.
Planet did not appear on radar.
Landed, transferred UA to SRV.
SRV also experiences toxic corrosion.
UA does not point to Merope, but this would be understandably difficult due to terrain and gravity.
Bonus image:
Repaired, sold exploration data and sold UA for 271,654.
tldr; The Unknown Artifact does not provide Discovery Scanner functionality. However, if you have used a Discovery Scanner to "honk" a system, but not scanned the planets, you can scan them without a Discovery Scanner onboard, regardless of whether a Unknown Artifact is present.
New Theories on Station Problems
Some have asked what if it is not just selling UAs that cause the problems?
What if it is repairing UA damaged ships that causes station malfunctions to begin? (Replaced ship panels or tools used cause the corrosion to spread?) Do/did all affected stations have repair facilities?
What if it is selling exploration data from a UA affected ship that "infects" stations? Difficult to verify this one.
Wait, so am I missing something? When I was in Merope, I only had 3 planets available, but I'm seeing in that picture posted earlier that there are a lot more? I just have the standard D-Scanner, is that why I'm not picking up the rest of them? Exploration is something I'm not too familiar with (I usually just do combat to practice FA-Off so trading/exploring is very foreign to me still)
Been going back and forth from Merope since we first found out about the UA's pointing to the main star, and to this day have only seen 4 planets (3 non-atmospheric/1 atmospheric) show up in my nav panel or in the system map view.
I think ol' Gary Busey has been messing with my equipment while I've been asleep. THANKS GARY...
Been going back and forth from Merope since we first found out about the UA's pointing to the main star, and to this day have only seen 4 planets (3 non-atmospheric/1 atmospheric) show up in my nav panel or in the system map view.
I think ol' Gary Busey has been messing with my equipment while I've been asleep. THANKS GARY...
Standard DS has a range of 500Ls if I remember rightly. You need to assign it to a fire group, fly to some of the large bodies (not difficult to spot) and fire the scanner when you're close enough.
Ah, yes I see it now, especially the "Nothing as yet on it". The ordering of the sentence is what threw me. It makes it sound like they found something out on the planet, not just in general.
Well good to know I don't need to bother going back there
Time to get on the Community goal and search for Meta-Alloy missions!Well I am now officially involved in the UA/Barnacle/Merope bubble world of the Elite community! Though perhaps Canonn will not approve of how I've made my entrance?
My first steps are going to be to contribute, in a major way, to the Palin CG. My reasons for this are that I believe science goes beyond social squabbles or personal malcontent and I want to help Palin get a research base just as capable and established as Obsidian Orbital.
To that end, I implore people who have cargo space and are in the Dahan region to help us out! With only 1w and 4d left of the CG, sparing 3-4 days of low playtime for Christmas, and we have not yet even reached the first tier rewards!
I feel its important that if Palin is going to have a research centre then it is as fleshed out as we can make it.
As an aside, given that he is asking for evacuation shelters, I would hate for there to be a major incident that he caused and many, many innocents die because they didn't have enough. Worse still if there is more WE could have done but didn't
My first steps are going to be to contribute, in a major way, to the Palin CG. My reasons for this are that I believe science goes beyond social squabbles or personal malcontent and I want to help Palin get a research base just as capable and established as Obsidian Orbital.
To that end, I implore people who have cargo space and are in the Dahan region to help us out! With only 1w and 4d left of the CG, sparing 3-4 days of low playtime for Christmas, and we have not yet even reached the first tier rewards!
I feel its important that if Palin is going to have a research centre then it is as fleshed out as we can make it.
As an aside, given that he is asking for evacuation shelters, I would hate for there to be a major incident that he caused and many, many innocents die because they didn't have enough. Worse still if there is more WE could have done but didn't
Strange mine does point to merope. Is this tested correctly?
It has been tested. The UA will try to point to Merope , but this does not override the fact that it lies flat on the ground.
It tries, just not very hard
Edit: @Darkinnit. Sterling work.
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Well I am now officially involved in the UA/Barnacle/Merope bubble world of the Elite community! Though perhaps Canonn will not approve of how I've made my entrance?
My first steps are going to be to contribute, in a major way, to the Palin CG. My reasons for this are that I believe science goes beyond social squabbles or personal malcontent and I want to help Palin get a research base just as capable and established as Obsidian Orbital.
To that end, I implore people who have cargo space and are in the Dahan region to help us out! With only 1w and 4d left of the CG, sparing 3-4 days of low playtime for Christmas, and we have not yet even reached the first tier rewards!
I feel its important that if Palin is going to have a research centre then it is as fleshed out as we can make it.
As an aside, given that he is asking for evacuation shelters, I would hate for there to be a major incident that he caused and many, many innocents die because they didn't have enough. Worse still if there is more WE could have done but didn't
I don't think any of us would want it to fail, but after the work we have done, it feels to some of us like 2 fingers held aloft. Personally, I have a lot of things to do right now, and it doesn't make it top of the list, not even top 3.
If you want plenty of 100% metal planets, go to Betelgeuse. You have 3 to land on
Just to refresh things from time to time:
1) UA deployed from SRV, does not decay, morse spells Planet's name.
2) UA deployed from ship on a Planet, does decay, morse draws ship.
Vasious posted his experiments on this, right after Horizons launch.
Addendum:
3) T-ships different behavior (UA morse does not draw the ship, but instead spells closest object name) is a BUG.
1) UA deployed from SRV, does not decay, morse spells Planet's name.
2) UA deployed from ship on a Planet, does decay, morse draws ship.
Vasious posted his experiments on this, right after Horizons launch.
Addendum:
3) T-ships different behavior (UA morse does not draw the ship, but instead spells closest object name) is a BUG.
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