UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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John Stoutbeard

John Stoutbeard
#wasteoftime, I chose to rewrite this post a bit.

People should stop insisting we're wasting our time, when this is mostly our own personal choice and preference.

We're playing Elite as a result of a personal choice, we chose what to do ingame.
I'm not getting offended by those who insist we're wasting our time, they probably don't see things from our perspective.

Here's an suggestion to those who think so;
- if someone out there feels you see we waste our time, you don't need to convince us we're doing so.
We're always spending time. We're never wasting time.
As for myself, I love Elite, I'm just looking for better ways to improve my quality time ingame.
So please, I'd love to see some more smart and interesting suggestion for ingame activities rather than 'stop wasting time'.

Jorge, can I have my biscuit back please!?
 
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Vasious

Vasious
Dielos said:
Hi,

In case you're still looking for these missions, just found one for Meta-Alloys in Theta Indi, Vittori's Progress. 6 days to complete...

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[Edit]: By the way. Do you have any idea how these could be found? Poi's or outcrops/meteorites?
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PoI
Containing big glowy green things
Shoot them and they break up into Meta Alloys

Is the current popular theory.


Where is anyones guess - Bluish stars and metallic worlds maybe

Since you have the mission care to look out at Merope and Maia

Maia has a High Metal Content World by a blue star
 

Kalearne

Kalearne
Sorry if its already been done before.

I took a quick trip in the galaxy map to get some info on the station affected by outages. Just looking to see if a pattern was visible.

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How my theories held up;

1. I had theorized that the station type could be a factor. e.g. older station types more vulnerable.
Busted - Orbis, Corilis, Ocellus and Outpost types affected.
2. I theorized station economy may have been a factor. e.g. certain types of industrial machinery were vulnerable.
Busted, I counted seven different economies affected.
3. I theorized population may be a factor. More people = more attractive 'target'
Couldn't find per station population. Probably looking in wrong place.
4. I theorized there was significance in the body a station orbited.
Interesting result. There seems a definite trend to damage stations orbiting metal rich or high metal content worlds. Atmospheres on a lot (although different atmospheres). Earth type worlds also cropped up a bit too. Only one icy rock entry.
5. I theorized that the system star makeup could be a factor. e.g. certain wavelengths of light affected process
Busted - No pattern. Main sequence but thats it.
6. I theorized that distance from the star could be important. e.g. intensity of light affects process.
Inconclusive. Anything from 49ls to 1418ls. Too varied to be important?

Conclusions
Seems to be a bit of a trend towards stations orbiting metal content bodies. Seems.


Does anyone have a couple of entries of stations that people tried to cause problems with? curious to know if it adds to this research.
If anyone has the data from Pic Tok or Iapodes please let me know if theres anything interesting there.
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Ayal said:
I wonder .... The UA scans all the ships within 1000 m right ? ( since we know mr Brookes said the types not being scanned is a bug as well ) what would happen if the UAs scan a ship that has a minimum amount of 1 Meta alloy in it ?

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Maybeeee ... Just maybe we if a ship has a UA inside it the UA starts morsing the nearest planet that has the barnacles on them ...

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I meant a ship with meta alloys of course
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has anybody tried decoding the UA morse of a ship that is already carrying a UA? Any difference from the ship drawing?
 

Dielos

Dielos
Vasious said:
PoI
Containing big glowy green things
Shoot them and they break up into Meta Alloys

Is the current popular theory.


Where is anyones guess - Bluish stars and metallic worlds maybe

Since you have the mission care to look out at Merope and Maia

Maia has a High Metal Content World by a blue star
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I'm on my way to my home system to swap the Viper for the Asp. I'll upgrade the thrusters on that thing as well, as I've had a couple of near heart attacks with D thrusters out in the black since Horizons...

Once that's done, I'll head out for Maia and check that high metal content planet you're talking about, but somehow I doubt that the barnacle's will be in such a frequented area... I guess the dark area of the planet is the main target here?
 

John Stoutbeard

John Stoutbeard
Dielos said:
I'm on my way to my home system to swap the Viper for the Asp. I'll upgrade the thrusters on that thing as well, as I've had a couple of near heart attacks with D thrusters out in the black since Horizons...

Once that's done, I'll head out for Maia and check that high metal content planet you're talking about, but somehow I doubt that the barnacle's will be in such a frequented area... I guess the dark area of the planet is the main target here?
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Maia have a few 2-3G type of metal planets, we've been running around there for a couple of days. 4-5 of us.
No traces of anything relevant yet. But then again, the RNG may be in the very low numbers regarding seeding of these 'non normal POIs', because we see mostly standard POI sites.

Keep at it. o7
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Kalearne said:
Sorry if its already been done before.

I took a quick trip in the galaxy map to get some info on the station affected by outages. Just looking to see if a pattern was visible.

http://i.imgur.com/Pawjdud.png

How my theories held up;

1. I had theorized that the station type could be a factor. e.g. older station types more vulnerable.
Busted - Orbis, Corilis, Ocellus and Outpost types affected.
2. I theorized station economy may have been a factor. e.g. certain types of industrial machinery were vulnerable.
Busted, I counted seven different economies affected.
3. I theorized population may be a factor. More people = more attractive 'target'
Couldn't find per station population. Probably looking in wrong place.
4. I theorized there was significance in the body a station orbited.
Interesting result. There seems a definite trend to damage stations orbiting metal rich or high metal content worlds. Atmospheres on a lot (although different atmospheres). Earth type worlds also cropped up a bit too. Only one icy rock entry.
5. I theorized that the system star makeup could be a factor. e.g. certain wavelengths of light affected process
Busted - No pattern. Main sequence but thats it.
6. I theorized that distance from the star could be important. e.g. intensity of light affects process.
Inconclusive. Anything from 49ls to 1418ls. Too varied to be important?

Conclusions
Seems to be a bit of a trend towards stations orbiting metal content bodies. Seems.


Does anyone have a couple of entries of stations that people tried to cause problems with? curious to know if it adds to this research.
If anyone has the data from Pic Tok or Iapodes please let me know if theres anything interesting there.
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Nice work.

You could take a look at available comodities.

Jmains delivered ~ 150 UA to Walker Survey. It has not been affected. The thing that stands out, is the lack of comodities market.
 

Seroto

Seroto
Kalearne said:
Conclusions
Seems to be a bit of a trend towards stations orbiting metal content bodies.
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Good work, but in the spirit of scepticism: could it be that stations are more common around high metal content (and Earthlike) worlds? As evidenced in how much UC pay for their discovery - they have more economic value and therefore more likely to be populated - so are likely to have a station.

It would be useful to compare the distribution of affected stations against the overall 'normal' distribution. Does that exist anywhere? It would be a big job... :)
 

Kalearne

Kalearne
Han_Zen said:
Nice work.

You could take a look at available comodities.

Jmains delivered ~ 150 UA to Walker Survey. It has not been affected. The thing that stands out, is the lack of comodities market.
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I might take a run along the list and check their marketplaces. I'm kinda itching to get back out in the black though. I'll see how I feel after this CG.

I checked out Walker Survey and its not great. IF (and its a big if) their orbit parent is important then I would have thought Walker Survey would have been a good UA choice. High metal content world with an atmosphere. Grrrrr.

Seroto said:
Good work, but in the spirit of scepticism: could it be that stations are more common around high metal content (and Earthlike) worlds? As evidenced in how much UC pay for their discovery - they have more economic value and therefore more likely to be populated - so are likely to have a station.

It would be useful to compare the distribution of affected stations against the overall 'normal' distribution. Does that exist anywhere? It would be a big job... :)
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I meant to mention that it would make sense for station distribution to be around economically important locations. I think your skepticism is well placed. I just cant shake the feeling that there is something significant about that locations reporting problems vs the ones that arent. Something beyond lots of pilots selling UA that is.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Panzertard said:
#wasteoftime, I chose to rewrite this post a bit.

People should stop insisting we're wasting our time, when this is mostly our own personal choice and preference.

We're playing Elite as a result of a personal choice, we chose what to do ingame.
I'm not getting offended by those who insist we're wasting our time, they probably don't see things from our perspective.

Here's an suggestion to those who think so;
- if someone out there feels you see we waste our time, you don't need to convince us we're doing so.
We're always spending time. We're never wasting time.
As for myself, I love Elite, I'm just looking for better ways to improve my quality time ingame.
So please, I'd love to see some more smart and interesting suggestion for ingame activities rather than 'stop wasting time'.

Jorge, can I have my biscuit back please!?
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Nicely put.

This is exactly where I come from too - spending time having some fun and potentially ruling things out, be it UAs, Barnacles, Rares or whatever is only a waste of time for people that don't want to do it in the first place. Nobody should plough on into an activity that doesn't interest them, which is why it's so important for us all to continue to be as inclusive as we can. With the UAs, Merope, Barnacles, Antares, Palin and everything else there's actually more to do than there has been for a while - but not everybody can be expected to want to take part in it all. The more CMDRs we have, the better we can all continue to collaborate.

On that - I must give a shout out to all those CMDRs that pursue or engage in things just because one or more other Canonn (and indeed non-Canonn) CMDRs ask it to be done, even when they're not keen - it's amazing to see that level of dedication!

On these Barnacles - I have a strong suspicion that the best way to find them is to get this very rare mission first, and then survey the hell out of as many POIs on surfaces as possible. Not saying it's impossible to find one without the mission, just that the dice might be slightly loaded if you've got this mission active first.

The 6d time limit quite clearly indicates that finding them will not be easy - very few BB missions come with that kind of time limit now - so only the patient, or very lucky, CMDR will be successful.

I wouldn't be surprised, too, if meta alloys aren't in some way related to preventing UA station degradation - but that's just me spitballing.

Anyhoo - just poking my head in, I'm trying to take a break from 'foruming' at the moment. Need to get back to enjoying the game itself.

Not that I don't enjoy being around you lot, of course - just a bit worn out - please don't take it personally ;)
 

Dielos

Dielos
LordZoltan said:
On these Barnacles - I have a strong suspicion that the best way to find them is to get this very rare mission first, and then survey the hell out of as many POIs on surfaces as possible. Not saying it's impossible to find one without the mission, just that the dice might be slightly loaded if you've got this mission active first.

The 6d time limit quite clearly indicates that finding them will not be easy - very few BB missions come with that kind of time limit now - so only the patient, or very lucky, CMDR will be successful.
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I'm just leaving my home system towards Maia/Merope with the Meta-Alloys mission active. Any possible target planets to search for are welcome.

By the way, how safe is Maia? Should I stay in open or switch to Mobius?
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
I found this paper on bactofungicide: http://cordis.europa.eu/result/rcn/157802_en.html

It's about using a synthetic gene cluster called oocydin A (ooc), used for it's antifungal and antioomycete properties.

The thing that got me interested was that a bacteriophage was used as a host to inject the ooc into the nasty mycetes.

It also got thinking about the OOCHOST region. This part of space is right on the vector core - Pleiades - California sector, about 1-1.5kly from Sol.
It's also the only region I know that has stars with the AE-O in the name.

The theory is probably bonkers, but I will head out there for a look.
 

Ayal

A
RedWizzard said:
Michael has stated that we can prevent the spread of the "technical troubles" which appear to be caused by the UA. He also said we'd be able to cure them "SoonTM". DB said (in one of the Horizons Q&As) that things were going to get very interesting for us soon. He may or may not have been referring to the "technical troubles". Neither of them have said anything definitive AFAIK, but the implication is that there is more to do right now. And of course the barnacle files do exist. The fact that they are misspelt is largely irrelevant unless they are spelt inconsistently. We can not conclude that the content is inaccessible unless we can show that those files are referenced using a different spelling. The bug report is partly tongue-in-cheek and partly just-in-case, but it is certainly not proof there is actually a bug and neither is QA's generic response to it.

I'm really tired of this "we're wasting our time" meme that keeps being repeated here lately. We simply haven't searched long enough or widely enough to draw that conclusion. Again, I have to point out that the free floating UAs were not discovered until 2 MONTHS AFTER 1.3 LAUNCHED, and the shell was not discovered until 6 WEEKS AFTER IT APPEARED IN THE 1.4 BETA. Emphasis because apparently the message is not getting through. But hey, if you want to quit, then quit. Just don't try to convince others to quit, and don't bother with a ragequit post; we've seen it all before.
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first of all nobody said were wasting our time ( at least I didn't ) . I personally said only that we need more clues the elite universe is 1:1 scale and it's got 1:1 planets as well ( and god knows how much more big it will be once the other planets and stations are available to walk etc as well ) ! If you want to keep searching by all means I personally knew I wouldn't find anything in merope but I enjoyed every second of driving on the merope 5a surface ! The only thing people are trying to say is that wee just need more clues to continue the studies that's it :( ! Now let's talk about searching enough : when you want to search you need clues to where to look for the needle when it comes to a haystack:) ! Same thing in CSI ! You don't just bounce into your police car and arrest every single person in the street ! You take finger prints you find clues of the crime you recover DNA samples you recover hair etc and then identify the position you need to "search enough " and then you find what you look for . Same principle also comes with the UA mystery ! Right now we have no finger prints or DNA samples about the UA nor the barnacles nor the meta alloys and where to find them . So right now we just need to wait for pallin ( which is gonna be over in almost a day ) to see what he discovers .
I hope you all understood what I tried to say here

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Now since redwizzard mentioned cure I believe the meta alloys will be the key to cure the stations they also might be a counter for the the toxicity thingy that the UA tends to do ... Just a theory of course I'm just trying to predict the odds with the current " clues " we have . That's how science should be done
 

CMDR GTR2014

CMDR GTR2014
Thanks i will keep looking, I got something on my mind, since we are able to land on rocky/ice/HM planets without ATMOSPHERE, is it possible to find a ammonia world without atmosphere?

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Gorrister

Gorrister
Hi there.
Sorry for asking. I know I asked a while ago, but didn't received an answer. Or just missed it.
What weapons were used on the UAs? Maybe all of them. Its not in your wiki.
Was it hit by a plasma accelerator? And maybe the Scarab's repeater?
Thanks for the info.
 
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